COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Le Bruise wrote: »

I'm starting to think that you're not even a real Doctor....

Haha, off to the conspiracy theory forums with you :pac:

charlie14 wrote: »

So basically you are anti vaccine and if Bill Gates wasn`t involved in a search for a vaccine it would be something something else.
Thanks for at least making that clear.

I'm not anti or pro-vaccine. Just making clear that in this case, there is massive profits to be made trying to administer you all a vaccine the vast majority of you don't even need.

eigrod

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not anti or pro-vaccine. Just making clear that in this case, there is massive profits to be made trying to administer you all a vaccine the vast majority of you don't even need.

Just like the insurance or security industries then.

The ideal scenario in my opinion is that Pfizer would bypass the HSE and work directly with companies like Boots who have experience administrating vaccines.

You just know somewhere along the line the HSE are going to screw this up.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ah yes the Dr subject to false and misleading claims articles. A great source.

"She also claims - without any evidence - that vaccines will "hook us all up to an artificial intelligence interface".

https://www.bbc.com/news....

Your 'source', the BBC, receive significant funding from the very people selling you the vax (Gates Foundation). What a surprise :pac:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Here is the forum your looking for

https://touch.boards.ie/forum/576

It's 'you're', not 'your'. Carry on..

charlie14

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not anti or pro-vaccine. Just making clear that in this case, there is massive profits to be made trying to administer you all a vaccine the vast majority of you don't even need.

If you could tell each and every one of us with 100% accuracy whether we need a vaccine or not your post would have some small monetary value for us individually.

Other than that your post is pointless.

Deleted User wrote: »

Your 'source', the BBC, receive significant funding from the very people selling you the vax (Gates Foundation). What a surprise :pac:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

It's 'you're', not 'your'. Carry on..

Good luck to Bill if he makes a fortune out of this.

I don't see many other billionaires funding vaccines.

You cannot fund vaccine development using a gofundme page.

A vaccine will save millions of lives and tens of millions of jobs. Whoever funds one deserves praise and rewards.

charlie14 wrote: »

If you could tell each and every one of us with 100% accuracy whether we need a vaccine or not your post would have some small monetary value for us individually.

Other than that your post is pointless.

If you're under the age of 60 with no underlying medical illness, you don't need this vaccine. That's the data. You've more chance of being hit by lightning. Actually, maybe you should stay lockdowned in your house indefinitely... kill two birds with the one stone :pac:

ceegee

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your 'source', the BBC, receive significant funding from the very people selling you the vax (Gates Foundation). What a surprise :pac:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaaction/about/funding

It's 'you're', not 'your'. Carry on..

Your "source" is a right wing Q-anon spouting nut job who believes Hollywood celebrities have a club where they eat human flesh.

ceegee

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The ideal scenario in my opinion is that Pfizer would bypass the HSE and work directly with companies like Boots who have experience administrating vaccines.

You just know somewhere along the line the HSE are going to screw this up.

Boots have experience in administering low volumes of vaccines. Using community pharmacy as the primary method of delivering a vaccine at the scale required would be a disaster, regardless of the storage requirements.

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Good luck to Bill if he makes a fortune out of this.

I don't see many other billionaires funding vaccines.

You cannot fund vaccine development using a gofundme page.

A vaccine will save millions of lives and tens of millions of jobs. Whoever funds one deserves praise and rewards.

Unlike most here, at least you're open to the idea that he's doing it for financial reasons, not philanthropic

Fair play to the 33% who'll be rolling up for this. I think over time it will end up closer to 50%. Then we can all move on 'til the next virus arrives.

ceegee wrote: »

Boots have experience in administering low volumes of vaccines. Using community pharmacy as the primary method of delivering a vaccine at the scale required would be a disaster, regardless of the storage requirements.

I was probably being facetious. Nursing home residents and staff are going to be first to be vaccinated so that's where you'd hope HSE's initial focus will be. After that it will be hospitals - staff and patients.

Niggly feeling the HSE will mess it up and no plan has been published yet, but who knows, they might surprise us.

Deleted User wrote: »

Unlike most here, at least you're open to the idea that he's doing it for financial reasons, not philanthropic

Fair play to the 33% who'll be rolling up for this. I think over time it will end up closer to 50%. Then we can all move on 'til the next virus arrives.

Well my understanding is the vaccines will be sold cost price.

No company wants to be seen to be benefitting from a global pandemic.

But there's nothing wrong with the principle of making a profit from a vaccine. The profits from a successful vaccine help offset the losses from numerous failed ones.

Sconsey

Deleted User wrote: »

Unlike most here, at least you're open to the idea that he's doing it for financial reasons, not philanthropic

Fair play to the 33% who'll be rolling up for this. I think over time it will end up closer to 50%. Then we can all move on 'til the next virus arrives.

I doubt it, you will still be quoting Q-anon and conspiracy theories.

Daemonic

Pfizer don't need to make money from the vaccine, the publicity of being first to announce will help push other products. Next time someone is picking up paracetamol in the supermarket, if choosing between 2 brands, sub-consciously lots will take the box with Pfizer on it as they were 'the vaccine people'.

ceegee wrote: »

Your "source" is a right wing Q-anon spouting nut job who believes Hollywood celebrities have a club where they eat human flesh.

I don't know about "eating human flesh", but they are into some weird thing called 'spirit cooking'. Here's Lady Gaga and Marina Abramovich. I'm sure you'll agree; this is nuts

:pac:
https://i2.wp.com/www.commonsenseevaluation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SpiritCooking-with-Marina-Abramovic-and-Lady-Gaga.jpg

Anyway, don't take the thread off topic. Back to the vaccine..

Daemonic wrote: »

Pfizer don't need to make money from the vaccine, the publicity of being first to announce will help push other products. Next time someone is picking up paracetamol in the supermarket, if choosing between 2 brands, sub-consciously lots will take the box with Pfizer on it as they were 'the vaccine people'.

Pfizer is worldwide known, well known, for "other products", doesn't need this publicity to get visibility on the market

ixoy wrote: »

Pfizer seem to be taking over the logistical elements all the way up to the point it enters a country - taking on the storage shipping containers, hardened medical vials, etc.
After that, there will indeed be an issue around cold storage and I see even some well equipped US hospitals couldn't, right now, store the vaccine in sufficient quantities.

Will there be sort of a "detector" in the shipping box (or whatever the vaccine will come in) to certify that the cold chain has never been interrupted or altered?
Will public be allowed to access that certification?

hmmm

Irish Stones wrote: »

Will there be sort of a "detector" in the shipping box (or whatever the vaccine will come in) to certify that the cold chain has never been interrupted or altered?
Will public be allowed to access that certification?

Vaccines are normally transported in left-over chinese take-away containers and dunnes plastic bags. They were hoping to upgrade to Lidl "bag for life", but the cost was too much. When they arrive at their destination, any frozen fish etc is taken out of the freezer and the vaccine is placed inside. When you're receiving the vaccine, make sure to check with the doctor that they are using a needle and not a cornetto by accident, because you will not be protected otherwise.

mandrake04

Irish Stones wrote: »

Will there be sort of a "detector" in the shipping box (or whatever the vaccine will come in) to certify that the cold chain has never been interrupted or altered?
Will public be allowed to access that certification?

ULT laboratory type freezers have Dataloggers and Temp alarms so any possible failure is recorded.

These not you average freezer in Harvey Norman.

If you have a failure the contents would be spoilt.

something like this

https://www.thermoline.com.au/haier-86-c-ultra-low-freezers-upright-and-chest/

funnydoggy

:pac:

charlie14

Deleted User wrote: »

If you're under the age of 60 with no underlying medical illness, you don't need this vaccine. That's the data. You've more chance of being hit by lightning. Actually, maybe you should stay lockdowned in your house indefinitely... kill two birds with the one stone :pac:

I am quite aware that being under 60 with no underlying conditions I am in a low risk category where this virus might not actually kill me, But at the same time for my own future health I have no great wish to become infected.

By being vaccinated it will also not just protect my own health, and wellbeing it will also ease my conscience knowing I am minimising the risk of spreading the virus to others in higher risk categories.

Something I would have thought from your oblique reference to being a member of a profession, (where the milk of human kindness is often referenced as flowing through it veins), would place a much higher value on that rather than the relatively small monetary cost of a vaccine shot.

hmmm wrote: »

Vaccines are normally transported in left-over chinese take-away containers and dunnes plastic bags. They were hoping to upgrade to Lidl "bag for life", but the cost was too much. When they arrive at their destination, any frozen fish etc is taken out of the freezer and the vaccine is placed inside. When you're receiving the vaccine, make sure to check with the doctor that they are using a needle and not a cornetto by accident, because you will not be protected otherwise.

I don't get your humour.
Given the level of scum that manage our politics, economy and health system, mine might be a legitimate doubt.
After what they did with face masks, hand sanitizers, respirators, what could stop them from doing the same?