COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

funnydoggy · 09-11-2020 03:11PM

hmmm wrote: »

Two good points made on CNBC by Gottlieb & others:

1. The public may be willing to endure more stringent lockdowns if they know there is light at the end of the table. Governments will be willing to spend heavily during this period.
2. This will prove the mRNA vaccine platform which currently has multiple trials against other diseases (and even cancer) using this technology.

HUGE breakthrough.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 09-11-2020 03:11PM

Have they defined what measure of effective they are using when they say 90% effective.

I know it was previously said that they only need to be 50% effective against minor symptoms with no effect on major symptoms and no need for sterilising immunity to get approval.

I suspect they need a lot more evidence to demonstrate an effect on major symptoms or any level of sterilising immunity.

3xh · 09-11-2020 03:12PM

manniot2 wrote: »

trump will lose the head - 3 days after the election result haha

I know it’s all funny etc but joke aside, do you really think Pfizer could not have announced this any sooner?

I’m of the view, simply, they could have. So why wouldn’t they? Rhetorical question.

You should be worried about that.

s1ippy · 09-11-2020 03:12PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

RTÉ's modus operandi is to dissuade any good news reaching the masses so they'll happily stay under the thumb of Tony Holohan.

NPHET are bound to be disgusted by today's very positive development as people will be empowered by hope.

Tbh RTÉ didn't ask any pertinent questions of the UCC researcher they had on and just let the news be given as it is. There was no analysis or discussion about it, all very positive.

Goldengirl · 09-11-2020 03:12PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Think they will incentive it later on

Gift cards etc

Don't think it'll be "carrot "as we may need frequent boosters , don't know how long immunity will last or if frequent mutations.
More likely " stick " that can't travel etc to countries that are pro vaccine without it .

Still if enough get it we will be ok , and the oul anti vaxxer Covid deniers can be ignored , as they should be anyhow

Thierry12 · 09-11-2020 03:14PM

hmmm wrote: »

Two good points made on CNBC by Gottlieb & others:

1. The public may be willing to endure more stringent lockdowns if they know there is light at the end of the table. Governments will be willing to spend heavily during this period.
2. This will prove the mRNA vaccine platform which currently has multiple trials against other diseases (and even cancer) using this technology.

Makes sense

Vulnerable especially you'd imagine will take extreme care knowing not long till vaccine is here

Now's the interesting part

Wonder will see vaccinated only indoor events, wrist bands to show your vaccinated etc at airports and so on

With 90% efficacy vaccinated might not need to wear masks? 90% is practically a cure

polesheep · 09-11-2020 03:14PM

titan18 wrote: »

I don't think so. If we get down to level 1/2 restrictions, we'll be ok. I can't see there be events with hundreds or thousands indoors until a majority of the population are vaccinated myself.

My hope is by April, we're looking at decent amounts being able to eat and drink indoors but with capacity limits, travel to restart normally albeit masks still being required, everything open with probably exception of stuff that rely on having hundreds or thousands in attendance (nightclubs won't be open fully, stadiums won't be full, conferences won't be happening etc). But a good 80-90% of our life is back

I'm much more optimistic than that. With the vulnerable vaccinated Covid is no big deal.

holdyerhorses · 09-11-2020 03:15PM

hmmm wrote: »

Two good points made on CNBC by Gottlieb & others:

1. The public may be willing to endure more stringent lockdowns if they know there is light at the end of the tunnel. Governments will be willing to spend heavily during this period.
2. This will prove the mRNA vaccine platform which currently has multiple trials against other diseases (and even cancer) using this technology.

Point 1 is now clear, Xmas shopping, pub-ing, household visiting is a goner.

Thierry12 · 09-11-2020 03:15PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Don't think it'll be "carrot "as we may need frequent boosters , don't know how long immunity will last or if frequent mutations.
More likely " stick " that can't travel etc to countries that are pro vaccine without it .

Still if enough get it we will be ok , and the oul anti vaxxer Covid deniers can be ignored , as they should be anyhow

True

Maybe not apply in EU

New Zealand types response will be interesting

ShineOn7 · 09-11-2020 03:16PM

This has been the most positive day I've seen on Boards since March

I'm waiting for the trolls/re-regs to wade in later, but even they won't ruin it

average_runner · 09-11-2020 03:16PM

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Point 1 is now clear, Xmas shopping, pub-ing, household visiting is a goner.

People might back the pubs part but not sure about the rest

holdyerhorses · 09-11-2020 03:17PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Don't think it'll be "carrot "as we may need frequent boosters , don't know how long immunity will last or if frequent mutations.
More likely " stick " that can't travel etc to countries that are pro vaccine without it .

Still if enough get it we will be ok , and the oul anti vaxxer Covid deniers can be ignored , as they should be anyhow

Again, a non-sequiter, a pro-vaccine country would be much more likely allow non vaccinated visitors as the risk to their population and healthcare capticy is virtually non-existant.

I think it's really time to remove these points from the discussion - they are verging on anti-vaxx teritory in reverse.

polesheep · 09-11-2020 03:18PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Makes sense

Vulnerable especially you'd imagine will take extreme care knowing not long till vaccine is here

Now's the interesting part

Wonder will see vaccinated only indoor events, wrist bands to show your vaccinated etc at airports and so on

With 90% efficacy vaccinated might not need to wear masks? 90% is practically a cure

Merkel has said that it won't be mandatory. The EU will not go down the route you outlined above.

polesheep · 09-11-2020 03:19PM

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Point 1 is now clear, Xmas shopping, pub-ing, household visiting is a goner.

The only part of that not currently happening is the pub. Christmas will be great!

daydorunrun · 09-11-2020 03:19PM

average_runner wrote: »

Not sure what u are arguing about. Its positive news

Making a point isn't arguing:)

you said there was 'danger' associated with taking a vaccine. I thought it worth making the point (not necessarily to you but to the wider conversation) that the opposite is also true given we are dealing with a disease that potential causes long lasting complications.

CoronaBlocker · 09-11-2020 03:20PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

American markets haven't opened yet have they?

Pfizer share holders today ...

<waves>

Cordell · 09-11-2020 03:21PM

holdyerhorses wrote: »

Vaccines causing autism? Never proven.

Proven other side-effects though, in the longer term.

Of course impossible to tell in extremely, very short time windows like this trial. Which is always a worry.

Vaccines causing autism it's a proven fraudulent study.
I'm not aware of any side effect that takes years to show, on any vaccine out there. Are you?

holdyerhorses · 09-11-2020 03:21PM

3xh wrote: »

I know it’s all funny etc but joke aside, do you really think Pfizer could not have announced this any sooner?

I’m of the view, simply, they could have. So why wouldn’t they? Rhetorical question.

You should be worried about that.

Life has just been so unfair on poor Donald, me, you're favourite president. Born into pure poverty, struggled to make his way in the world from nothing, and managed to make it all the way to the White House, and now this! Pfizer, the voting machines, the dead people voting, the deep state, all conspiring against me?! SO UNFAIR!

titan18 · 09-11-2020 03:22PM

polesheep wrote: »

Merkel has said that it won't be mandatory. The EU will not go down the route you outlined above.

I could see health passports happening for travel, maybe not intra EU but could see some countries requiring it much like you'd get vaccines if travelling to some countries atm.

ShineOn7 · 09-11-2020 03:22PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

<waves>

Vaccine drinks on you so!

holdyerhorses · 09-11-2020 03:23PM

Cordell wrote: »

Vaccines causing autism it's a proven fraudulent study.
I'm not aware of any side effect that takes years to show, on any vaccine out there. Are you?

Er, i know, that was the point i was making.

Yes, I am. Google is your friend. One of them was settled in our High Court last week.

polesheep · 09-11-2020 03:23PM

titan18 wrote: »

I could see health passports happening for travel, maybe not intra EU but could see some countries requiring it much like you'd get vaccines if travelling to some countries atm.

Yes, that's true, but highly unlikely intra EU.

lbj666 · 09-11-2020 03:23PM

manniot2 wrote: »

trump will lose the head - 3 days after the election result haha

He seems happy

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
1h
STOCK MARKET UP BIG, VACCINE COMING SOON. REPORT 90% EFFECTIVE. SUCH GREAT NEWS!

Well they were holding off on the news until after the election,

Trump has 70 days to play this up as his parting gift. Which will boost what he or his dynasty does in future.

holdyerhorses · 09-11-2020 03:24PM

titan18 wrote: »

I could see health passports happening for travel, maybe not intra EU but could see some countries requiring it much like you'd get vaccines if travelling to some countries atm.

Again, a political point scoring exercise that has no merit in science.

Yellow fever, for eg, is required as entry to very few countries, and only if you are travelling from a region/country with yellow fever outbreaks.

iguana · 09-11-2020 03:24PM

Slight issue with this in my house. My son turns 8 tomorrow and now doesn't know what to wish for when he blows out his candles as he had been planning to wish for a vaccine.

440Hertz · 09-11-2020 03:25PM

I’d assume the most likely scenario is that you’ll have a vaccine certificate of some sort, and if you are vaccinated you’ll be able to travel, maybe go to gigs, actively take part in contact sport, go for the gym etc etc

Realistically, if we don’t take this seriously there’s a risk of a failure to reach herd immunity & a mutating virus that will render the whole programme pointless & then we would be into a grim situation of a coronavirus driven Dark Ages.

I suspect this is going to also end up with the most anti science countries & states and those who are further down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole doing a lot worse than those that are into facts and capable of weighing risks.

My take on it is that the risk of catching this virus or passing it onto vulnerable people like any of my family members and are either older or at risk far, far, far outweighs any theoretical risks of taking a well tested vaccine.

If you think about it: eating a medium rare steak carries risk. Cutting your toenails in the bath carries risk. When you make a cup of tea there’s a slight risk of scalding. When you buy a sandwich, you might face a tiny risk of food poisoning, but we do all of those things because those risks are absolutely tiny.

The risks of the vaccine would seem absolutely tiny whereas the risks of the coronavirus are significant either for you or someone else and causing massive disruption.

So I will be taking it!

We need to get people back to a situation where they can weigh risks in a sane way though, or we really are headed for a mess.

Eric Cartman · 09-11-2020 03:25PM

holdyerhorses wrote: »

You can kiss goodbye to Xmas at this stage, though.

Which, as far as i can tell, was the NPHET, Govt. strategy all along.

Im not big on conspiracy but there definitely was a point in august or so where the government realised that this year was a write-off but dared not tell the public or the publicans and have been slowly feeding it to us.

ShineOn7 · 09-11-2020 03:26PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

Its gonna start getting normal again :-)

By Q4 next year, all going to plan

But still, it's very positive news

polesheep · 09-11-2020 03:26PM

440Hertz wrote: »

I’d assume the most likely scenario is that you’ll have a vaccine certificate of some sort, and if you are vaccinated you’ll be able to travel, maybe go to gigs, actively take part in contact sport, go for the gym etc etc

Realistically, if we don’t take this seriously there’s a risk of a failure to reach herd immunity & a mutating virus that will render the whole programme pointless & then we would be into a grim situation of a coronavirus driven Dark Ages.

I suspect this is going to also end up with the most anti science countries & states and those who are further down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole doing a lot worse than those that are into facts and capable of weighing risks.

My take on it is that the risk of catching this virus or passing it onto vulnerable people like any of my family members and are either older or at risk far, far, far outweighs any theoretical risks of taking a well tested vaccine.

If you think about it: eating a medium rare steak carries risk. Cutting your toenails in the bath carries risk. When you make a cup of tea there’s a slight risk of scalding. When you buy a sandwich, you might face a tiny risk of food poisoning, but we do all of those things because those risks are absolutely tiny.

The risks of the vaccine would seem absolutely tiny whereas the risks of the coronavirus are significant either for you or someone else and causing massive disruption.

So I will be taking it!

We need to get people back to a situation where they can weigh risks in a sane way though, or we really are headed for a mess.

Not going to happen.

MrMusician18 · 09-11-2020 03:28PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Tbh RTÉ didn't ask any pertinent questions of the UCC researcher they had on and just let the news be given as it is. There was no analysis or discussion about it, all very positive.

I don't think you listened to the same interview as the rest of us. Dobson asked the researcher to dive into the data. The researcher was positive but did say that this is early interim data from less than 100 participants in the trial. She said that it is hard to conclude specifics about efficacy beyond a strong indication that the vaccine works.
We don't have any data on how long it will be effective for either.

So a great day, humanity is rounding the corner but the finish line is still in the distance

COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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