Are you adhering to the Households rule?

_Kaiser_ · 08-11-2020 07:03PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Done.

And for what its worth, you and the other poster both took the opportunity to nit pick my posts and get some below the belt digs in because I said I went to McDs drive thru for a take away coffee, selectively ingnoring the whole reason why I opted to go to McDs drive thru in the first place - because of other people being irresponsible.

But no, you both ignored that part of what I posted, and chose to criticise ME instead.

You're criticising others for what you see as reckless behaviour, yet you're doing much the same yourself given you are in the actual "at risk" category.

You also expect an overwhelming majority of people who are not at any significant risk to put their lives, relationships, jobs, and general wellbeing so that you can continue to do so - effectively laughing at the efforts they are making on your behalf.

That I think is the problem with your posts. You think that a country can be ran on the basis of the needs of the few rather than the many. We've tried that since about May and it hasn't worked, it's just caused massive damage to the economy, employment and people's mental and general health. Why? Because it's not a sustainable approach over the long term as more people are starting to wake up to.

xhomelezz · 08-11-2020 07:04PM

polesheep wrote: »

I haven't heard anyone calling for that. People just want to get on with their lives, you do only get one after all.

You didn't hear anyone, right? There's plenty of posts around calling for that.

iamwhoiam · 08-11-2020 07:05PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes we know why you went to McDonald’s and not Costa but my point is still valid about getting a take away coffee and you can ignore it if you want.

Do you get kicks out of admonishing people for deciding for themselves to get a take away coffee ? Seriously ?

freshpopcorn · 08-11-2020 07:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Your point was basically that people who are at high risk should not use takeaways.

Even when they're about as non-contact as you can get like a McDs drive thru where everyone is behind screens, masked and gloved and payment is contactless.

Which backs up my point that there is an expectation that at risk people are should disappear completely behind locked doors and not make themselves inconvenient.

I thought you blocked me.
I said I know people at high risk groups and they wouldn’t get take aways due to the risks. I never said people should be locked away.
I also pointed out to you I have visited take aways and restaurants and I saw staff touching masks, taking cash and touching stuff going away from screens, etc.
McDonalds are taking cash by the way.
None of this can seen in your car at the drive thru.
If you didn’t like what you say in Costa. You certainly wouldn’t like to see what I’ve seen in other take aways.

Not much else to say to you.

zerosugarbuzz · 08-11-2020 07:12PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

Multiple houses in my area are clearly ignoring the household restriction. Only this afternoon watching tribes of people walk in and out of houses laughing and joking, I honestly hope they spread amongst themselves and get ill.
I've been restricted from all the things that I like and get on with what has been asked from me, these plebs ignore it and will probably cause the poxy lockdown to be longer..

Horrible attitude wishing illness on others, be careful, the penny is round.

_Kaiser_ · 08-11-2020 07:15PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you get kicks out of admonishing people for deciding for themselves to get a take away coffee ? Seriously ?

The poster is wholly entitled to get their takeaway coffee if they wish. I'm sure it's a much needed touch of normality for them in an otherwise upended routine and that's completely understandable.

However, they don't get to judge what touches of normality other people choose to make this all a little easier, nor do they get to criticise those others when they themselves are taking unnecessary risks given they are in the vulnerable category.

That's the point being made

xhomelezz · 08-11-2020 07:21PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The poster is wholly entitled to get their takeaway coffee if they wish. I'm sure it's a much needed touch of normality for them in an otherwise upended routine and that's completely understandable.

However, they don't get to judge what touches of normality other people choose to make this all a little easier, nor do they get to criticise those others when they themselves are taking unnecessary risks given they are in the vulnerable category.

That's the point being made

Just a little quote from original post

I was parked in the Square Shopping Centre last night at approx 6:30pm (doing click and collect) and there were literally gangs of teenagers roving in big groups of 10, 20 - blocking the entrance and exit to the centre. Their parents should be ashamed.

Yet OP is getting beating for getting his coffee. Great job guys.

_Kaiser_ · 08-11-2020 07:26PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Just a little quote from original post

I was parked in the Square Shopping Centre last night at approx 6:30pm (doing click and collect) and there were literally gangs of teenagers roving in big groups of 10, 20 - blocking the entrance and exit to the centre. Their parents should be ashamed.

Yet OP is getting beating for getting his coffee. Great job guys.

The OP is getting a "beating" for criticising others when they themselves are taking unnecessary risks.

The OP needs their coffee. Teenagers need to be with their friends - perhaps even more so than others as they generally don't have kids, stable relationships, a established circle of similar people around them.

But if the OP is at risk as they've said then presumably they don't think it's all that big a deal really to prevent them from getting their coffee

xhomelezz · 08-11-2020 07:28PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The OP is getting a "beating" for criticising others when they themselves are taking unnecessary risks.

The OP needs their coffee. Teenagers need to be with their friends - perhaps even more so than others as they generally don't have kids, stable relationships, a established circle of similar people around them.

But if the OP is at risk as they've said then presumably they don't think it's all that big a deal really to prevent them from getting their coffee

I'm sorry, but out of all of OP posted, we are talking about coffee, none of the other posters noticed more important part..

_Kaiser_ · 08-11-2020 07:38PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

I'm sorry, but out of all of OP posted, we are talking about coffee, none of the other posters noticed more important part..

I've explained it several times above. I can't do much more.

It's not about coffee. It's the OP criticising others for what they see as reckless unnecessary behaviour, while engaging in similar behaviour themselves - made worse by the fact that they actually ARE, by their own admission, at real risk.

Or if you prefer, maybe the old saying about people in glass houses might make the point better?

pjohnson · 08-11-2020 07:43PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you get kicks out of admonishing people for deciding for themselves to get a take away coffee ? Seriously ?

I'm sure those piling on now will also go back to saying how lockdown is bad for "mental health" after their performance the last few hours.

Quite forgetful they are.

_Kaiser_ · 08-11-2020 07:46PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I'm sure those piling on now will also go back to saying how lockdown is bad for "mental health" after their performance the last few hours.

Quite forgetful they are.

Not at all, but "do as I say, not as I do" tends not to go down well with most people.

Just ask any of the people involved in the Golfgate scandal.

xhomelezz · 08-11-2020 07:54PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I've explained it several times above. I can't do much more.

It's not about coffee. It's the OP criticising others for what they see as reckless unnecessary behaviour, while engaging in similar behaviour themselves - made worse by the fact that they actually ARE, by their own admission, at real risk.

Or if you prefer, maybe the old saying about people in glass houses might make the point better?

Well I get it. But if we follow restrictions, how dangerous it can be to get take away coffee? I bet risk is seriously low. Some random gatherings for whatever reason, on the other hand, are much more dangerous, aren't they. We'll still end up saying actions of few are or will affect majority.

_Kaiser_ · 08-11-2020 08:03PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Well I get it. But if we follow restrictions, how dangerous it can be to get take away coffee? I bet risk is seriously low. Some random gatherings for whatever reason, on the other hand, are much more dangerous, aren't they. We'll still end up saying actions of few are or will affect majority.

Here's the thing though. The stats prove that the actions of few won't actually affect the majority. They'll affect people like the OP.

But that said, they are still as entitled to their coffee as anyone else. If their personal assessment is that it's low risk to them then by all means work away.

That doesn't entitle them to criticise others for doing things that they deem low risk to them though.

We cannot continue to try to control the behaviour of a majority of people who are at little risk from CV-19 so the small minority that are can do things that are far riskier to them.

Make your own decisions based on your own level of risk, that of your family and loved ones, and behave accordingly.
No one is actually preventing anyone locking themselves down if that's what they feel is necessary you know. It may even be the best option for people like the OP, but it's this attempt to micromanage and control everyone else that is causing the bigger issues and frustration all round.

bush · 08-11-2020 08:04PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Well I get it. But if we follow restrictions, how dangerous it can be to get take away coffee? I bet risk is seriously low. Some random gatherings for whatever reason, on the other hand, are much more dangerous, aren't they. We'll still end up saying actions of few are or will affect majority.

Probably more likely to get it from the coffee than being near someone with their nose showing anyway. I'm sorry but stay away from Costa and McDonald's if your that worried.

_Kaiser_ · 08-11-2020 08:09PM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Horrible attitude wishing illness on others, be careful, the penny is round.

This seems to be pretty common among those who are complaining about others who they feel are not taking the situation as seriously as they are.

Belittle, insult, ignore the point of the post they reply to, throw stuff in like "flat earther" or "Trump supporter", and when all else fails, tell them you hope they get sick (so there!) :rolleyes:

The sad thing is this isn't young teens throwing a strop. These are grown adults - but it's too often what passes for "debate" nowadays.

xhomelezz · 08-11-2020 08:09PM

bush wrote: »

Probably more likely to get it from the coffee than being near someone with their nose showing anyway. I'm sorry but stay away from Costa and McDonald's if your that worried.

? Where did I say I'm worried, or shopping in Costa or McDonald's?

Jimson · 08-11-2020 08:10PM

Yea I'm visiting my two brothers who work from home along with myself. Different households and only themselves there in each. Only time they leave the house is for shopping.

Other than that yea I am.

timeToLive · 08-11-2020 08:11PM

Jimson wrote: »

Yea I'm visiting my two brothers who work from home along with myself. Different households and only themselves there in each. Only time they leave the house is for shopping.

Other than that yea I am.

So which option in the poll did you choose?

bush · 08-11-2020 08:12PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

? Where did I say I'm worried, or shopping in Costa or McDonald's?

I'm talking about the op that you were talking about. Are you dense?

xhomelezz · 08-11-2020 08:18PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Here's the thing though. The stats prove that the actions of few won't actually affect the majority. They'll affect people like the OP.

But that said, they are still as entitled to their coffee as anyone else. If their personal assessment is that it's low risk to them then by all means work away.

That doesn't entitle them to criticise others for doing things that they deem low risk to them though.

We cannot continue to try to control the behaviour of a majority of people who are at little risk from CV-19 so the small minority that are can do things that are far riskier to them.

Make your own decisions based on your own level of risk, that of your family and loved ones, and behave accordingly.
No one is actually preventing anyone locking themselves down if that's what they feel is necessary you know. It may even be the best option for people like the OP, but it's this attempt to micromanage and control everyone else that is causing the bigger issues and frustration all round.

Well stats doesn't say that. But anyway, imo its simple, as long as we have few hundred cases a day, there will be restrictions in place. I can think about restrictions whatever I want, but I'll follow them, cuz it makes sense to stop or control spread, till some vaccines or effective treatments will kick in. Any minority of people who won't follow at least the basic guidelines will contribute to spread imo. Might be my simple thinking, but that's how it's gonna be. Flouters will put more restrictions on majority.

Wanderer78 · 08-11-2020 08:19PM

Broke the distance rule today, and there seemed to a whole pile of other 'locals', in the same place!

xhomelezz · 08-11-2020 08:24PM

bush wrote: »

I'm talking about the op that you were talking about. Are you dense?

Oops sorry, my misunderstanding. But still, we are at lvl 5 so why he was witnessing those kind of gatherings? He better stay away from those places, cuz some are not able to follow the guidelines?

08-11-2020 08:26PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

You're criticising others for what you see as reckless behaviour, yet you're doing much the same yourself given you are in the actual "at risk" category.

You also expect an overwhelming majority of people who are not at any significant risk to put their lives, relationships, jobs, and general wellbeing so that you can continue to do so - effectively laughing at the efforts they are making on your behalf.

That I think is the problem with your posts. You think that a country can be ran on the basis of the needs of the few rather than the many. We've tried that since about May and it hasn't worked, it's just caused massive damage to the economy, employment and people's mental and general health. Why? Because it's not a sustainable approach over the long term as more people are starting to wake up to.

I am not doing anything even close to "much the same", and all I have ever asked is that the restrictions are adhered too. But clearly, you're another that is too much for.

I minimise risk as much as possible, I wear masks, I wear gloves, I sanitise my hands and keep supplies of all three in my car, but unfortunately I have to eat, so I have to get shopping. I do this by click and collect as no deliveries in my area. I get a take away coffee on the way home and I'm out of the house for an hour at max, but apparently I am not supposed to do that, and am being criticised for it.

But the wan dragging her kids into Costa? Pulling her mask of to place her order? Stunning lack of comments on her behaviour. And its not what "I see" as reckless behaviour, it IS reckless behaviour. Maybe not to herself, but to others. But thats the crux of the matter, right?

Yet according to you, I'm doing "much the same". Thats some feat of mental gymnastics, right there. And again, the patronising "maybe you should lock yourself down" line is trotted out.

bush · 08-11-2020 08:30PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Broke the distance rule today, and there seemed to a whole pile of other 'locals', in the same place!

Did you shame them?

SusieBlue · 08-11-2020 08:31PM

Nope. I spent 13 weeks of the first lockdown alone at home after losing my job, and ended up going on anti depressants in May. So looking after myself while being sensible about my risk of exposure to the virus is my first priority this time around.

I’m extremely lucky to have a job where I can work from home for this lockdown.
Besides that I have been meeting two friends a few times a week, both also WFH and mostly in outdoor settings, though there have been a few indoor meet ups to watch movies etc. when the weather was too wet to be outside.

We mostly just get takeaway coffees and go for long walks, which in my opinion is pretty much risk free. On a few occasions we have gone over the 5k.

I still really miss the gym, seeing all my other friends and extended family and I’ve pretty much accepted that my chances of meeting someone new in 2020 are slim to none, but what little socialisation I have is keeping me sane. I am finding this lockdown a lot more difficult than the last, and that’s mostly down to the dark evenings and miserable weather.
I dread to think what a January lockdown will be like, but I’ll continue to meet friends for walks and movie nights if it comes to it.

08-11-2020 08:35PM

By the way, I am not the OP of this thread.

IrishHomer · 08-11-2020 08:36PM

Hav to say I'm getting totally sick of so ng everything right was watching everyone around me take risks and break rules.

My neighbor has a few families visit them every Sunday.

Also another neighbor who is a primary school teacher had 7 cars visiting her house today.

I've sacrificed so much hardly seen my elderly parents since March yet others can ignore even and just carry on as normal.

phill106 · 08-11-2020 08:40PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

There's no excuse for kids being around Grandparents in their mid 60s under Level 5 restrictions

My mother would be in this age group, she is in my official bubble as she lives alone.
Could be the same with others, though obviously not all.

jackboy · 08-11-2020 08:41PM

IrishHomer wrote: »

I've sacrificed so much hardly seen my elderly parents since March yet others can ignore even and just carry on as normal.

You have made your choice, they have made theirs. You shouldn’t be stressing about what they are doing. This thing is probably going to last another year easy.

Are you adhering to the Households rule?

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