US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

VinLieger · 04-11-2020 06:23PM

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

WI recount will cost $3m. Oof.

Please tell me the campaign pays for this?

Rjd2 · 04-11-2020 06:23PM

pixelburp wrote: »

I can't say I"ve dug too deep into Biden's manifesto, but the language of "healing" and the overall tone of reconciliation in Biden's words - not to mention being famously a centrist - does make me wonder how much foreshadowing was applied towards the possibility the Senate would not turn blue. It must have been a factor in the thinking of the campaign; in which case the obvious next step might be identifying soft R republicans who could be turned on more palatable, centrist initiatives. Obviously, things like the expansion of the ACA are now going to be very difficult to achieve, while I"m not sure where many Republicans might sit in terms of electoral reform (or expansion of the SC etc).

Biden and Mitch are relatively pally.

I don't quite know how the senate will play out, but Mitch won't be to upset if they hold the senate and Biden is president as he will fancy his chances of thwarting anything to progressive and he knows Biden isn't really going to upset the status quo.

On the bolded point, no matter whether right or wrong morally, if you are a Republican who isn't a professional Never Trumper then why on earth would you support policies which hurt your party considerably?

JazzyJ · 04-11-2020 06:23PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Yes. That's how it was set up in the bi-cameral model. The House was created as a body to represent the voting populations, and the Senate to represent the States..

So why not have the presidential election as popular vote? States still get an equal voice in congress. Each person gets an equal vote in the presidential election.

astrofool · 04-11-2020 06:23PM

paleoperson wrote: »

Funny you should mention Russia - I was just thinking today about how if this the US looking on from abroad they would simply pick the side they favoured and declare them the winner and the other side imposters. For example if Putin narrowly won and the other side was saying there was vote tampering oh god we'd never hear the end of it.

The mere allegations of vote tampering or otherwise unfair activities in voting are enough for people like you to go to town on Russia as having unfair elections. Meanwhile when Trump says it it's just all sour grapes, right?

Protests in the streets - if it was in Russia or another countries it'd be valiant angry protestors protesting against democracy gone wrong when the people chose someone else. With Trump it's more like angry racists trying to wreak havoc now that their leader has lost.

Eh? Eh? Where is the lie?

Similar to the Hunter laptop, everybody has been watching Trump try and setup this accusation, going back as far as de-funding the USPS, so everybody was well aware he would jump to this (just as everybody knew he would try and claim victory before the counts finished).

The important thing is to rise above it and follow the rules, as the states are doing.

Itssoeasy · 04-11-2020 06:24PM

Trump is tweeting that they are “finding” ballots in states. They are counting them not finding them.

04-11-2020 06:24PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I don’t agree that a Biden presidency will be impossible to function because of McConnell. McConnell has a relationship with Biden pre trump having served in the senate together. He gave some very warm remarks towards Biden when Biden became Vice President and also passed an amendment to a cancer bill to rename it to beau Biden. My point is that Biden may be able to work with the GOP in the senate given his history.

Easy to do when it's meaningless.
He went on the record right from the start of the Obama administration to block and frustrate everything the Dems would try to do.

peteeeed · 04-11-2020 06:25PM

Anyone see this guy on the BBC this morning? Looks like he's still drinking the kool aid
https://twitter.com/sethweathers/status/1324048471675068416?s=21

Rjd2 · 04-11-2020 06:28PM

peteeeed wrote: »

Anyone see this guy on the BBC this morning? Looks like he's still drinking the kool aid
https://twitter.com/sethweathers/status/1324048471675068416?s=21

I'd actually have some respect for him if he actually put his money where his mouth is, but like the thread in current affairs so many Trumper's don't have the balls to back up their "big calls".

Itssoeasy · 04-11-2020 06:29PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Easy to do when it's meaningless.
He went on the record right from the start of the Obama administration to block and frustrate everything the Dems would try to do.

Well the gesture was my point. It was a genuinely nice moment and seemed genuine whether the action was meaningless.,I know he did but I think that might have been a seasoned veteran senator pulling a kruskev on Kennedy in the 1960s. McConnell will know he can’t ****ehawk Biden like he did Obama should he become president.

paul71 · 04-11-2020 06:29PM

extra gravy wrote: »

It's quite American that you can buy a recount rather than it being based on the public interest.

Recounts are a standard in most Democracies. They happen here all the time. The difference is that in a First past the post system mistakes are rarely found, in a PR system like ours they are more likely to discover errors. To be honest with a 20,000 gap its not going to make a difference, they will probably find a couple of hundred error and there is no reason to think they would not be found to benefit Biden.

embraer170 · 04-11-2020 06:31PM

Anyone think we will have some more clarity in the next 5 hours?

I am hoping to get to bed a bit earlier tonight.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-11-2020 06:33PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

The key criteria is being within 1% I believe, which it currently is as Biden leads by 0.7%. There is 5% left to be counted though which ifi am correct is almost entirely provision and mail in, whichnight put Biden above that threshold. I guess we'll have to see.

Now that would definitely send trump over the edge!

vafankillar · 04-11-2020 06:33PM

are the small percentages of votes left to be counted in wisconsin and michigan mail in or election day or what? anything in the mix to give trump a hope of a win?

won't be sad to see him leave office, but truely enjoyed the dems being made sweat scared ****less for the entire day

StringerBell · 04-11-2020 06:35PM

embraer170 wrote: »

Anyone think we will have some more clarity in the next 5 hours?

I am hoping to get to bed a bit earlier tonight.

It will likely be tomorrow tbh, could even be Friday depending on how close it is in Nevada and PA.

Shelga · 04-11-2020 06:37PM

vafankillar wrote: »

are the small percentages of votes left to be counter in wisconsin and michigan mail in or election day or what? anything in the mix to give trump a hope of a win?

won't be sad to see him leave office, but truely enjoyed the dems being made sweat scared ****less for the entire day

Why? How unpleasant to enjoy seeing half the country stressed to the max.

239k coronavirus deaths and counting, yeah it's an absolute hoot.

StringerBell · 04-11-2020 06:38PM

vafankillar wrote: »

are the small percentages of votes left to be counted in wisconsin and michigan mail in or election day or what? anything in the mix to give trump a hope of a win?

won't be sad to see him leave office, but truely enjoyed the dems being made sweat scared ****less for the entire day

It doesn't appear that trump will be able to make up the gap given what they feel are the ballots left to be counted in terms of their type and where they are from in the State.

What has been amusing is how many came along giving it the billy big bollocks over a few hours there last night and shrunk away again this morning. Not even the courage of their convictions. :pac:

jasonb · 04-11-2020 06:40PM

Biden now 84000 behind in Georgia, not sure how many ballots are left but I'm guessing he's going to have to win a lot of them to catch Trump?

Inquitus · 04-11-2020 06:43PM

embraer170 wrote: »

Anyone think we will have some more clarity in the next 5 hours?

I am hoping to get to bed a bit earlier tonight.

I think we will get a fair bit more clarity this evening, but Nevada could potentially be the whole ballgame and they are not re-starting their count until tomorrow! Depends if Biden can close the gap in PA, or surprise us in NC or GA!

paul71 · 04-11-2020 06:46PM

jasonb wrote: »

Biden now 84000 behind in Georgia, not sure how many ballots are left but I'm guessing he's going to have to win a lot of them to catch Trump?

357,179 to be counted by my calculation, mostly in urban areas breaking 60:40 in favour of Biden.

vafankillar · 04-11-2020 06:48PM

Shelga wrote: »

239k coronavirus deaths and counting, yeah it's an absolute hoot.

the overreaction as if Trump has caused some near genocidal number of deaths with corona virus is such rubbish. Belguim and spain have more deaths per capita along with a few others. also biden doesn't even support healthcare for all during a pandemic.

There probably still would have been around 150k-180k deaths from the corona virus regardless of who was in charge, especially since some of the worst hit places where democratic cities with huge poverty rates and low-heath insurance rates

Rjd2 · 04-11-2020 06:48PM

FFS.

Collins was bigger than 2/1 the other week to win this state.

If true, looks like a gift from the Gods. :mad:

https://twitter.com/JamesArkin/status/1324051536620720132

Headshot · 04-11-2020 06:48PM

Still over a million votes to be countered in Pennsylvania

spacecoyote · 04-11-2020 06:49PM

Just checked that AP site and they have Trump ahead now in Michigan. Have been switched off for a while with work. What's going on there, thought they reckoned it was done there?

Midlife · 04-11-2020 06:51PM

vafankillar wrote: »

the overreaction as if Trump has caused some near genocidal number of deaths with corona virus is such rubbish. Belguim and spain have more deaths per capita along with a few others. also biden doesn't even support healthcare for all during a pandemic.

There probably still would have been around 150k-180k deaths from the corona virus regardless of who was in charge, especially since some of the worst hit places where democratic cities with huge poverty rates and low-heath insurance rates

I agree with what you say but it was the manner of his handling.

He lied, promoted sham drugs, lied again and then said God wanted him to catch it.

Maybe as you say its 70k more, but it's been such bad leadership.

sterz · 04-11-2020 06:51PM

SNIP. No betting please.

salmocab · 04-11-2020 06:52PM

vafankillar wrote: »

the overreaction as if Trump has caused some near genocidal number of deaths with corona virus is such rubbish. Belguim and spain have more deaths per capita along with a few others. also biden doesn't even support healthcare for all during a pandemic.

There probably still would have been around 150k-180k deaths from the corona virus regardless of who was in charge, especially since some of the worst hit places where democratic cities with huge poverty rates and low-heath insurance rates

So you’re arguing that anyone else in charge would have had 150k-180k deaths but Trump has 230k. I’m not sure this is the great point you think it was.

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 04-11-2020 06:54PM

Why has Trump's odds shortened in that last hour?

briany · 04-11-2020 06:56PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If Biden wins you'll not see a republican president for the next 16 years.

Care to elaborate?

Larbre34 · 04-11-2020 06:57PM

The odds have ebbed and flowed the past 18 hours, it's just in game betting. Pay no heed, if your money is on Trump and you can cash out, take it.

~Rebel~ · 04-11-2020 06:57PM

spacecoyote wrote: »

Just checked that AP site and they have Trump ahead now in Michigan. Have been switched off for a while with work. What's going on there, thought they reckoned it was done there?

Where are you seeing that? AP still has him up by over 40,000 votes on the google results..

US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

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