US Presidential Election 2020 Thread II - Judgement Day(s)

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

As longs as votes don't go missing (as happens in Russia which Trump is trying to emulate)

Then lets recount, it means he will have to shut up about stopping counts elsewhere.

Funny you should mention Russia - I was just thinking today about how if this the US looking on from abroad they would simply pick the side they favoured and declare them the winner and the other side imposters. For example if Putin narrowly won and the other side was saying there was vote tampering oh god we'd never hear the end of it.

The mere allegations of vote tampering or otherwise unfair activities in voting are enough for people like you to go to town on Russia as having unfair elections. Meanwhile when Trump says it it's just all sour grapes, right?

Protests in the streets - if it was in Russia or another countries it'd be valiant angry protestors protesting against democracy gone wrong when the people chose someone else. With Trump it's more like angry racists trying to wreak havoc now that their leader has lost.

Eh? Eh? Where is the lie?

Headshot wrote: »

With I think over 26 thousand votes difference, a request to recount wont cause that count to deviate that much

Typically you might get maybe 12 or so but not thousands

Even the GOP ex governor of Wisconsin admits a recount wont fix that gap



https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/1324002777597677569

WI recount will cost $3m. Oof.

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

WI recount will cost $3m. Oof.

It's quite American that you can buy a recount rather than it being based on the public interest.

Carfacemandog wrote: »

For reference, Wisconsin was recounted in 2016 at the request of Jill Stein, the difference was 132 votes.

What was Jill Stein hoping to gain from a recount?

pixelburp wrote: »

I can't say I"ve dug too deep into Biden's manifesto, but the language of "healing" and the overall tone of reconciliation in Biden's words - not to mention being famously a centrist - does make me wonder how much foreshadowing was applied towards the possibility the Senate would not turn blue. It must have been a factor in the thinking of the campaign; in which case the obvious next step might be identifying soft R republicans who could be turned on more palatable, centrist initiatives. Obviously, things like the expansion of the ACA are now going to be very difficult to achieve, while I"m not sure where many Republicans might sit in terms of electoral reform (or expansion of the SC etc).

Biden and Mitch are relatively pally.

I don't quite know how the senate will play out, but Mitch won't be to upset if they hold the senate and Biden is president as he will fancy his chances of thwarting anything to progressive and he knows Biden isn't really going to upset the status quo.

On the bolded point, no matter whether right or wrong morally, if you are a Republican who isn't a professional Never Trumper then why on earth would you support policies which hurt your party considerably?

paleoperson wrote: »

Funny you should mention Russia - I was just thinking today about how if this the US looking on from abroad they would simply pick the side they favoured and declare them the winner and the other side imposters. For example if Putin narrowly won and the other side was saying there was vote tampering oh god we'd never hear the end of it.

The mere allegations of vote tampering or otherwise unfair activities in voting are enough for people like you to go to town on Russia as having unfair elections. Meanwhile when Trump says it it's just all sour grapes, right?

Protests in the streets - if it was in Russia or another countries it'd be valiant angry protestors protesting against democracy gone wrong when the people chose someone else. With Trump it's more like angry racists trying to wreak havoc now that their leader has lost.

Eh? Eh? Where is the lie?

Similar to the Hunter laptop, everybody has been watching Trump try and setup this accusation, going back as far as de-funding the USPS, so everybody was well aware he would jump to this (just as everybody knew he would try and claim victory before the counts finished).

The important thing is to rise above it and follow the rules, as the states are doing.

peteeeed wrote: »

Anyone see this guy on the BBC this morning? Looks like he's still drinking the kool aid
https://twitter.com/sethweathers/status/1324048471675068416?s=21

I'd actually have some respect for him if he actually put his money where his mouth is, but like the thread in current affairs so many Trumper's don't have the balls to back up their "big calls".

extra gravy wrote: »

It's quite American that you can buy a recount rather than it being based on the public interest.

Recounts are a standard in most Democracies. They happen here all the time. The difference is that in a First past the post system mistakes are rarely found, in a PR system like ours they are more likely to discover errors. To be honest with a 20,000 gap its not going to make a difference, they will probably find a couple of hundred error and there is no reason to think they would not be found to benefit Biden.

Carfacemandog wrote: »

The key criteria is being within 1% I believe, which it currently is as Biden leads by 0.7%. There is 5% left to be counted though which ifi am correct is almost entirely provision and mail in, whichnight put Biden above that threshold. I guess we'll have to see.

Now that would definitely send trump over the edge!

embraer170 wrote: »

Anyone think we will have some more clarity in the next 5 hours?

I am hoping to get to bed a bit earlier tonight.

It will likely be tomorrow tbh, could even be Friday depending on how close it is in Nevada and PA.

vafankillar wrote: »

are the small percentages of votes left to be counted in wisconsin and michigan mail in or election day or what? anything in the mix to give trump a hope of a win?

won't be sad to see him leave office, but truely enjoyed the dems being made sweat scared ****less for the entire day

It doesn't appear that trump will be able to make up the gap given what they feel are the ballots left to be counted in terms of their type and where they are from in the State.

What has been amusing is how many came along giving it the billy big bollocks over a few hours there last night and shrunk away again this morning. Not even the courage of their convictions. :pac:

embraer170 wrote: »

Anyone think we will have some more clarity in the next 5 hours?

I am hoping to get to bed a bit earlier tonight.

I think we will get a fair bit more clarity this evening, but Nevada could potentially be the whole ballgame and they are not re-starting their count until tomorrow! Depends if Biden can close the gap in PA, or surprise us in NC or GA!

Shelga wrote: »

239k coronavirus deaths and counting, yeah it's an absolute hoot.

the overreaction as if Trump has caused some near genocidal number of deaths with corona virus is such rubbish. Belguim and spain have more deaths per capita along with a few others. also biden doesn't even support healthcare for all during a pandemic.

There probably still would have been around 150k-180k deaths from the corona virus regardless of who was in charge, especially since some of the worst hit places where democratic cities with huge poverty rates and low-heath insurance rates