Schools closed until February? (part 3)

29-10-2020 08:14PM

is_that_so wrote: »

A summary of evidence on schools transmissions.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02973-3

Wasting your time I’m afraid. Fact free zone

Smacruairi · 29-10-2020 08:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wasting your time I’m afraid. Fact free zone

Don't start... Or I'll repeat your "facts" which you had to back track on recently..

29-10-2020 08:16PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Don't start... Or I'll repeat your "facts" which you had to back track on recently..

You will not find any. Facts are facts. Interpretations can change as more data is observed

Boggles · 29-10-2020 08:17PM

Why schools probably aren’t COVID hotspots

Title is reassuring anyway.

29-10-2020 08:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

Title is reassuring anyway.

Everyone knows Nature is only a rag. Good thing Boggles knows best

Boggles · 29-10-2020 08:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Everyone knows Nature is only a rag. Good thing Boggles knows best

I don't follow.

The title of the article is quite odd, can I not make the observation or any observation without you constantly getting personal?

eagle eye · 29-10-2020 08:29PM

Deleted User wrote:

Everyone knows Nature is only a rag. Good thing Boggles knows best

That makes no sense.

khalessi · 29-10-2020 08:43PM

All I will say is it is a good thing the Dept issued instructions not to steal the cleaning products:pac::pac::pac:

wirelessdude01 · 29-10-2020 08:47PM

khalessi wrote: »

All I will say is it is a good thing the Dept issued instructions not to steal the cleaning products:pac::pac::pac:

They were only something anyway!!

Blondini · 29-10-2020 08:56PM

Boggles wrote: »

I don't follow.

The title of the article is quite odd, can I not make the observation or any observation without you constantly getting personal?

Would not bother arguing there. Some people have got way too much confidence.

29-10-2020 08:59PM

Boggles wrote: »

I don't follow.

The title of the article is quite odd, can I not make the observation or any observation without you constantly getting personal?

The odd thing is the ability to attempt to ridicule every source which does not tow the accepted view on schools, no matter how reputable the source. Yesterday it was the BMJ , today Nature, who knows what it will be tomorrow. And the equally odd thing on here is that the “accepted view” here is essentially the view of the thread and the occasional Facebook group. The wider view developing in articles such as those in the BMJ, Nature, and the German and Norwegian study that everyone has assiduously ignored, is that the opening of schools has been safe, relative to other areas of society, and while nowhere people gather is free from transmission of the virus, the opening of the schools in and of themselves has not driven the wider societal increase.

khalessi · 29-10-2020 09:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The odd thing is the ability to attempt to ridicule every source which does not tow the accepted view on schools, no matter how reputable the source. Yesterday it was the BMJ , today Nature, who knows what it will be tomorrow. And the equally odd thing on here is that the “accepted view” here is essentially the view of the thread and the occasional Facebook group. The wider view developing in articles such as those in the BMJ, Nature, and the German and Norwegian study that everyone has assiduously ignored, is that the opening of schools has been safe, relative to other areas of society, and while nowhere people gather is free from transmission of the virus, the opening of the schools in and of themselves has not driven the wider societal increase.

Hadn't seen the German or Norwegian studies, linky please

Purplewaters · 29-10-2020 09:05PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The odd thing is the ability to attempt to ridicule every source which does not tow the accepted view on schools, no matter how reputable the source. Yesterday it was the BMJ , today Nature, who knows what it will be tomorrow. And the equally odd thing on here is that the “accepted view” here is essentially the view of the thread and the occasional Facebook group. The wider view developing in articles such as those in the BMJ, Nature, and the German and Norwegian study that everyone has assiduously ignored, is that the opening of schools has been safe, relative to other areas of society, and while nowhere people gather is free from transmission of the virus, the opening of the schools in and of themselves has not driven the wider societal increase.

Funny how this second wave coincided with the reopening of schools all over Europe....must be a coincidence.

MelbourneMan · 29-10-2020 09:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The odd thing is the ability to attempt to ridicule every source which does not tow the accepted view on schools, no matter how reputable the source. Yesterday it was the BMJ , today Nature, who knows what it will be tomorrow. And the equally odd thing on here is that the “accepted view” here is essentially the view of the thread and the occasional Facebook group. The wider view developing in articles such as those in the BMJ, Nature, and the German and Norwegian study that everyone has assiduously ignored, is that the opening of schools has been safe, relative to other areas of society, and while nowhere people gather is free from transmission of the virus, the opening of the schools in and of themselves has not driven the wider societal increase.

Hello. I can confirm this is correct, and that the opening of schools has, by overwhelmingly authoritative analysis not adversely contributed to the deterioration of the corona virus situation. As you observe, there seems a great reluctance in Ireland to accept the considered expert view, and to prefer instead, the unreasoned and uninformed views of the incorrect.

combat14 · 29-10-2020 09:12PM

if I was a principal I would tell them I'm on holidays till Monday &#55358;&#56611;

History Queen · 29-10-2020 09:13PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I can confirm this is correct, and that the opening of schools has, by overwhelmingly authoritative analysis not adversely contributed to the deterioration of the corona virus situation. As you observe, there seems a great reluctance in Ireland to accept the considered expert view, and to prefer instead, the unreasoned and uninformed views of the incorrect.

Can you answer my earlier question please?

downthemiddle · 29-10-2020 09:13PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I can confirm this is correct, and that the opening of schools has, by overwhelmingly authoritative analysis not adversely contributed to the deterioration of the corona virus situation. As you observe, there seems a great reluctance in Ireland to accept the considered expert view, and to prefer instead, the unreasoned and uninformed views of the incorrect.

Tell me Hubert, why is the definition of a close contact in school different to the definition of a close contact in the wider community?

Purplewaters · 29-10-2020 09:13PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I can confirm this is correct, and that the opening of schools has, by overwhelmingly authoritative analysis not adversely contributed to the deterioration of the corona virus situation. As you observe, there seems a great reluctance in Ireland to accept the considered expert view, and to prefer instead, the unreasoned and uninformed views of the incorrect.

Melbourne closed schools right? They're down to zero cases in oz because they did a strict lock down.

Icyseanfitz · 29-10-2020 09:15PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I can confirm this is correct, and that the opening of schools has, by overwhelmingly authoritative analysis not adversely contributed to the deterioration of the corona virus situation. As you observe, there seems a great reluctance in Ireland to accept the considered expert view, and to prefer instead, the unreasoned and uninformed views of the incorrect.

You can string a pointless paragraph together I'll give you that :pac:

My rebuttal would be: corona num nums go big big whence schools open, num nums hidden well so peeps all confused, oh lazy teachers too

Purplewaters · 29-10-2020 09:15PM

downthemiddle wrote: »

Tell me Hubert, why is the definition of a close contact in school different to the definition of a close contact in the wider community?

I can answer this.....if they tested every contact in the class then each school case would have 30 contacts in school alone. They can't handle this number so they ignore the contacts and hope it didn't spread.

Blondini · 29-10-2020 09:15PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I can confirm this is correct, and that the opening of schools has, by overwhelmingly authoritative analysis not adversely contributed to the deterioration of the corona virus situation. As you observe, there seems a great reluctance in Ireland to accept the considered expert view, and to prefer instead, the unreasoned and uninformed views of the incorrect.

I read that in a Borat voice in my head and it was very entertaining indeed !

Purplewaters · 29-10-2020 09:16PM

combat14 wrote: »

if I was a principal I would tell them I'm on holidays till Monday ��

100 percent. Let the work from home dept of education staff sort this out.

29-10-2020 09:18PM

Blondini wrote: »

Would not bother arguing there. Some people have got way too much confidence.

There are some people expressing certainty here, i and those who express similar views on this thread are not in that group

irishblessing · 29-10-2020 09:20PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. I can confirm this is correct, and that the opening of schools has, by overwhelmingly authoritative analysis not adversely contributed to the deterioration of the corona virus situation. As you observe, there seems a great reluctance in Ireland to accept the considered expert view, and to prefer instead, the unreasoned and uninformed views of the incorrect.

Let's have the analysis.

Icyseanfitz · 29-10-2020 09:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There are some people expressing certainty here, i and those who express similar views on this thread are not in that group

The only certainty i see expressed here is that schools do not abide by public health advice with regards covid-19, every measure in place elsewhere has been thrown to the side to get schools open, clearly theres transmission in schools, and the rate of transmission detected seems to be increasing week on week. If children are asymptomatic and spreaders (as has been proven in studies in other countries) then they are contributing to the current problem.

Purplewaters · 29-10-2020 09:28PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

The only certainty i see expressed here is that schools do not abide by public health advice with regards covid-19, every measure in place elsewhere has been thrown to the side to get schools open, clearly theres transmission in schools, and the rate of transmission detected seems to be increasing week on week. If children are asymptomatic and spreaders (as has been proven in studies in other countries) then they are contributing to the current problem.

Exactly.

If schools have no transmission then we can all go around maskless and 1m apart.

combat14 · 29-10-2020 09:55PM

‘Schools are safe. They are safer than being outside of schools’ – Taoiseach adamant classes will resume despite ASTI threat

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/schools-are-safe-they-are-safer-than-being-outside-of-schools-taoiseach-adamant-classes-will-resume-despite-asti-threat-39683194.html

wirelessdude01 · 29-10-2020 09:59PM

All the tweets yesterday telling us how exceptional Norma is all make sense now.

They knew this further debacle with the products was coming down the tracks.

Icyseanfitz · 29-10-2020 10:04PM

I wonder what excuse they will have if cases go up in the next few week

wirelessdude01 · 29-10-2020 10:10PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

All the tweets yesterday telling us how exceptional Norma is all make sense now.

They knew this further debacle with the products was coming down the tracks.

Actually I think there is more to come out. That push yesterday was very deliberate and calculated.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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