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Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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  • #2942
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Meeeh jumped the shark, just like lilyfae before. Its not about making school communities safe, it's not about raising standards of eduction to be in line with our European counterparts, teachers need to be put in their box because they don't like them. "Go eat lunch in the rain" is the new "let them eat cake".

    Should be equal opportunities school time. Good enough for teachers to eat their lunch in the rain, it should be good enough for John and Mary as well.

    See how silly it seems now.


  • #2943
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Meeeh jumped the shark, just like lilyfae before. Its not about making school communities safe, it's not about raising standards of eduction to be in line with our European counterparts, teachers need to be put in their box because they don't like them. "Go eat lunch in the rain" is the new "let them eat cake".

    Yes that's it, we just dislike a whole cohort of people that we've never met.

    Or maybe the demands and worries of some of the teachers on this thread are unnecessary and unreasonable in light of a global pandemic and on the edge of the impending recession, when their risk at work is lower than that of the rest of society. Plus, the tactic of circling the wagons around anyone who doesn't agree with their (frankly, uneducated) viewpoints and selective browsing of research doesn't really lend itself to gathering support.


  • #2944
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Smacruairi wrote: »
    Meeeh jumped the shark, just like lilyfae before. Its not about making school communities safe, it's not about raising standards of eduction to be in line with our European counterparts, teachers need to be put in their box because they don't like them. "Go eat lunch in the rain" is the new "let them eat cake".

    Yes that was sarcasm. And I'm pretty sure wast majority of schools are perfectly capable to organise themselves. However you wouldn't get that idea from reading this thread. If you want to go on with jumping the shar nonsense be my guest but this kind of attitude dies is destroy the trust in teachers who do try.


  • #2945
    mvl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,229 ✭✭✭mvl


    Been reading an article last week that Germany is rolling out flu vaccine for all.
    Are our teachers still not seen as priority for flu vaccination ? Any news on this point from Irish government, or is this one of the points on ASTIs list ?


  • #2946
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,465 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    mvl wrote: »
    Been reading an article last week that Germany is rolling out flu vaccine for all.
    Are our teachers still not seen as priority for flu vaccination ? Any news on this point from Irish government, or is this one of the points on ASTIs list ?

    We are frontline when it suits them but not when it comes to getting the flu shot. I would have argued during the summer that part of the keeping schools open plan should have been free flu shot for every teacher that wanted it.


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  • #2947
    Smacruairi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Smacruairi


    mvl wrote: »
    Been reading an article last week that Germany is rolling out flu vaccine for all.
    Are our teachers still not seen as priority for flu vaccination ? Any news on this point from Irish government, or is this one of the points on ASTIs list ?

    Teachers are not on the priority list. We are not emergency workers or essential workers so no, no vaccine for us.


  • #2948
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    mvl wrote: »
    Been reading an article last week that Germany is rolling out flu vaccine for all.
    Are our teachers still not seen as priority for flu vaccination ? Any news on this point from Irish government, or is this one of the points on ASTIs list ?

    INTO has said the following

    Flu vaccine

    As members will be aware INTO have sought priority and free access to the flu vaccine for all teachers. The Department of Education has clarified that all pregnant teachers, teachers aged over 65, those with serious underlying health conditions and teachers who are carers or who live with someone who is at risk of flu because of a long term health condition will receive the free flu vaccine.

    We will continue to demand that all teachers, who are front line workers receive priority access to a free flu vaccine.

    https://www.into.ie/2020/10/28/into-secures-mid-term-public-health-review-of-schools-experience-local-school-support-teams-and-access-to-weekly-testing-and-tracing-data/


  • #2949
    jrosen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭jrosen


    The flu jab should be free for all employees who are open to additional risk given their job. Teachers/retails staff etc.


  • #2950
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    Lillyfae wrote: »

    Or maybe the demands and worries of some of the teachers on this thread are unnecessary and unreasonable in light of a global pandemic and on the edge of the impending recession, when their risk at work is lower than that of the rest of society.

    Or maybe the demands and worries of some of the teachers on this thread are because of a global pandemic and their risk at work is much higher than that of the rest of society.

    Fixed it for you.


  • #2951
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    irishblessing wrote: »
    Or maybe the demands and worries of some of the teachers on this thread are because of a global pandemic and their risk at work is much higher than that of the rest of society.

    Fixed it for you.

    That's not true.


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  • #2952
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    irishblessing wrote: »
    Or maybe the demands and worries of some of the teachers on this thread are because of a global pandemic and their risk at work is much higher than that of the rest of society.

    Fixed it for you.

    What risk?

    Is someone keeping a running total of teacher deaths since the schools went back that I missed?


  • #2953
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    meeeeh wrote: »
    If you want to go on with jumping the shar nonsense be my guest but this kind of attitude dies is destroy the trust in teachers who do try.

    You mean destroys your trust? Which lets me honest is built on a pretty warped foundation.

    But just in case you are destroying the trust teachers may have in parents, let me just say thank you to all people who work in schools.

    They just got on with it again in the knowledge that the department that is supposed to look after them doesn't give 2 flying fúcks about them.

    I could feel that collective sigh of relief last Friday when schools closed for the midterm, not just from teachers but from parents.

    From Monday even a timely call back from the HSE when a case is detected would be a bonus going forward, because lets be honest all this talk about crack teams being put in place for schools was the same load of bollíx we heard back in August, it's not going to happen.


  • #2954
    jrosen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭jrosen


    The risk to teachers is not higher than the rest of society. Its statements like that irk people.


  • #2955
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    Yes that's it, we just dislike a whole cohort of people that we've never met.

    Or maybe the demands and worries of some of the teachers on this thread are unnecessary and unreasonable in light of a global pandemic and on the edge of the impending recession, when their risk at work is lower than that of the rest of society. Plus, the tactic of circling the wagons around anyone who doesn't agree with their (frankly, uneducated) viewpoints and selective browsing of research doesn't really lend itself to gathering support.

    Damn those teachers and their pesky demands. If it wasn't for those pesky teachers, we could just ignore what is going on with the education sector and the HSE. We could ignore that the guidelines issued by the Dept of Education were incorrect at time of publication. We could ignore that the covid app has been updated for healthcare and education sectors to pause during the working day. We could ignore the disparity in case numbers and HSE case numbers. We could ignore what is considered a close contact in other sectors is not considered a close contact in education. Those pesky teachers and their demands.

    It makes me laugh that you think it unreasonable to ask for a safe working environment which is also then safe for children. Also interesting that people who disagree with you are considered to be circling the wagons. It couldnt be they have more experience and knowledge of the education sector than yourself.


  • #2956
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Boggles wrote: »
    You mean destroys your trust? Which lets me honest is built on a pretty warped foundation.

    But just in case you are destroying the trust teachers may have in parents, let me just say thank you to all people who work in schools.

    They just got on with it again in the knowledge that the department that is supposed to look after them doesn't give 2 flying fúcks about them.

    I could feel that collective sigh of relief last Friday when schools closed for the midterm, not just from teachers but from parents.

    From Monday even a timely call back from the HSE when a case is detected would be a bonus going forward, because lets be honest all this talk about crack teams being put in place for schools was the same load of bollíx we heard back in August, it's not going to happen.
    Did you tell Merkel yet you facts?


  • #2957
    SusanC10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭SusanC10


    jrosen wrote: »
    The risk to teachers is not higher than the rest of society. Its statements like that irk people.

    I don't follow.
    If a Teacher spends 5-6 hours a day in a room with 30 other people and in Primary those people are not wearing masks, in younger classes are not SD and in some cases in poorly ventilated and/or small Classrooms, how is that not a higher risk ?


  • #2958
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Did you tell Merkel yet you facts?

    I have read that 5 times, I haven't a scooby doo. :confused:


  • #2959
    St.Spodo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭St.Spodo


    Anyone who is meeting people face to face indoors for work is taking more of a risk than the majority of the working population at this moment in time.


  • #2960
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    What risk?

    Is someone keeping a running total of teacher deaths since the schools went back that I missed?

    Seeing as that information isn't been given out we can't answer that for you


  • #2961
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Boggles wrote: »
    I have read that 5 times, I haven't a scooby doo. :confused:

    You know exactly what it was about. Merkel said they are not closing schools yesterday. Apparently you have the facts which prove her wrong. Surely you wouldn't want her to mistakenly think that the schools will stay open.


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  • #2962
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    jrosen wrote: »
    The risk to teachers is not higher than the rest of society. Its statements like that irk people.

    Of course not - the constant harping about 'risk' is nothing more than a cynical, quasi-justification for a money-grab of taxpayers funds at a time when we are borrowing more than a billion a month.

    Shame on teachers!


  • #2963
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    jrosen wrote: »
    The risk to teachers is not higher than the rest of society. Its statements like that irk people.

    Sigh here we go again, what other profession works for 40min-60min with 25-30 people in a small unventilated room and then on to 25-30 other students for the next class.

    I work closely with little to no protection with around 180 students a day.


  • #2964
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Seeing as that information isn't been given out we can't answer that for you

    It's ok - I think we all know the answer.


    It's not an answer that suits the hysteria-narrative though.


  • #2965
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    It's ok - I think we all know the answer.


    It's not an answer that suits the hysteria-narrative though.

    How do we know the answer if we don't have any information :confused:


  • #2966
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    meeeeh wrote: »
    You know exactly what it was about. Merkel said they are not closing schools yesterday. Apparently you have the facts which prove her wrong. Surely you wouldn't want her to mistakenly think that the schools will stay open.

    Well I could send her the link that informed me they closed schools or I could quote you if you don't mind?
    meeeeh wrote: »
    Actually as far as I know there were closures of some schools in Bavaria


  • #2967
    jrosen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭jrosen


    St.Spodo wrote: »
    Anyone who is meeting people face to face indoors for work is taking more of a risk than the majority of the working population at this moment in time.

    The only ones working where the risk is lower are those afforded the ability to work from home. Which is not representative of the majority of employees.

    Ill edit to add, that right now yes there are people at home because we are at level 5. But prior to level 5 many thousands of people were working in indoor settings, working in close proximity to others.


  • #2968
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Sigh here we go again, what other profession works for 40min-60min with 25-30 people in a small unventilated room and then on to 25-30 other students for the next class.

    I work closely with little to no protection with around 180 students a day.

    Agreed - it's almost as if the risk of serious illness as a result of Covid has been grossly exaggerated - now that couldn't be right, could it?


  • #2969
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭khalessi


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Agreed - it's almost as if the risk of serious illness as a result of Covid has been grossly exaggerated - now that couldn't be right, could it?

    There have been multiple studies regarding children and covid and their ability to transmit covid. What is the issue with ensuring schools are a safe environment?


  • #2970
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,586 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    jrosen wrote: »
    I agree, I mean really the only ones working where the risk is lower are those afforded the ability to work from home. Which is not representative of the majority of employees.

    Or those where there is a limited amount allowed in at one time, or mask usage is mandatory, people working outside, or in places where serial testing of literally everyone is carried out every 2 weeks.

    To be honest I'd struggle to think of a place that doesn't have more stringent health and safety than a school.


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  • #2971
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    Agreed - it's almost as if the risk of serious illness as a result of Covid has been grossly exaggerated - now that couldn't be right, could it?

    Great covid isn't real, its just the flu, we've done full circle, well done


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