Schools closed until February? (part 3)

blanch152 · 29-10-2020 02:05AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Same story in ours. No more than 5 at any one time. Staggered breaks are a necessary evil but boy have they ripped the heart out of the school. There is half the staff I no longer see as staffroom is out of bounds before and after school and not on same break as them. Socially distant conversations across a room are a pain in the behind.

That is life under COVID, a pity that not all schools have accepted it.

wirelessdude01 · 29-10-2020 02:08AM

blanch152 wrote: »

That is life under COVID, a pity that not all schools have accepted it.

Source that schools haven't?

meeeeh · 29-10-2020 08:15AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Ok with these cases and schools around europe starting to close can folks stop with the nonsense that schools are not a source of transmission please? How in the name of god would they NOT be a source of transmission?? Hundreds of kids in a building 5 days a week all giving eachother wet willies.

France and Germany are both leaving schools open. Especially Germans must really know nothing about Corona since they are not listening to your expert opinion.

facehugger99 · 29-10-2020 08:20AM

The country borrowing a billion a month to keep the lights on and the teachers decide to try and use the virus to squeeze a pay-rise - it's really despicable behaviour.

meeeeh · 29-10-2020 08:26AM

At worst they will stand outside schools on their own with no pay. Quite a few of their smarter members obviously moved to other unions last time they striked.

irishblessing · 29-10-2020 08:34AM

The Alerting parents of outbreaks in school fb page, the one with 117k members, is lighting up this morning. The head admin/founder has an interview with two journalists today and has asked anyone to comment about what they want the government HSE to do to change. There's no way I could read all the comments but I've spent about 20 minutes scrolling through over 650 of them and still rolling in. People overwhelmingly are angry at the government and scared about the situations in the schools. I've seen absolutely loads of comments supporting strike action and calling for the same measures for themselves, students and staff. I haven't seen any agreeing with decisions (or lack of) in the schools. Here's a good summary I pulled from someone to give you an idea:

What the HSE/Government need to change:
- follow the guidance from the European Centre for Disease Prevention & Control (ECDC) which says to treat anyone who was in a classroom with a confirmed case as a close contact (https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/.../objectives-covid-19...)
- change the required secrecy around cases & tell parents that the principal can & WILL inform them if there's a Covid19 case in their child's class (already done for head lice, slapped cheek etc) without giving any identifying information - if parents know they'll definitely be informed if there's a case in their child's class, that would alleviate a lot of worry
- use the same criteria/ definition of close contacts in schools as used everywhere else
- give parents & students the OPTION to choose distance learning (could be supported by high risk teachers, who are currently given no option but to teach in full classrooms)
- produce a plan for different ways schools should operate depending on the level of transmission in the local community (could use indicators like those listed by the CDC in the US: https://www.cdc.gov/.../s0915-dynamic-school-decision...)
- produce weekly transparent information on cases, outbreaks & testing in schools (including exactly how they are calculating the "2%" positivity rate when they do "mass testing" of close contacts in schools, how much mass testing has been done, what's the % positivity of close contracts in schools when mass testing ISN'T done, i.e. only 1 or 2 close contacts are tested)
- clear ventilation guidelines for schools that acknowledge risk of aerosol transmission indoors, immediate funding & sourcing of CO2 monitors & air filtration units for classrooms

downthemiddle · 29-10-2020 09:16AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The country borrowing a billion a month to keep the lights on and the teachers decide to try and use the virus to squeeze a pay-rise - it's really despicable behaviour.

Welcome back Faceplanter. We really have missed your vitriol and distortion of the truth. Please provide evidence that teachers are looking for a payrise.

Boggles · 29-10-2020 09:18AM

meeeeh wrote: »

France and Germany are both leaving schools open. Especially Germans must really know nothing about Corona since they are not listening to your expert opinion.

The Germans are not leaving schools open.

It's up to the regions. It would appear when the infection rate per 100,000 rises above 200 they are closed.

2 regions have closed down schools just this week.

For comparison we have had over 20 counties above 200 at certain points just this month, 9 over 300, 1 actually touched a 1000.

But it's hardly a surprise they are Germans, they see a nut they crack it, they don't ignore the nut and pretend it doesn't exist.

loveall · 29-10-2020 09:18AM

Time to move on from traditional teaching altogether. I can only hope it's already being worked on.

How about a national panel of teachers who prepare curriculum and examinations (needs a shake up anyway) to be presented remotely by another select bunch of teachers?

The job of all other teachers is to mark and give on line guidance, with regular training from the panel.

A basic rate given to the markers and an hourly bonus rate given to those who give guidance, either state or means funded. Those better at guidance can expect greater reward if chosen by the student.

And reduce the age a child can be left at home alone.

JP100 · 29-10-2020 09:26AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The country borrowing a billion a month to keep the lights on and the teachers decide to try and use the virus to squeeze a pay-rise - it's really despicable behaviour.

They're not looking for a pay rise. They're looking for pay equality for new entrant teachers.

meeeeh · 29-10-2020 09:27AM

Boggles wrote: »

The Germans are not leaving schools open.

It's up to the regions. It would appear when the infection rate per 100,000 rises above 200 they are closed.

2 regions have closed down schools just this week.

For comparison we have had over 20 counties above 200 at certain points just this month, 9 over 300, 1 actually touched a 1000.

But it's hardly a surprise they are Germans, they see a nut they crack it, they don't ignore the nut and pretend it doesn't exist.

Actually as far as I know there were closures of some schools in Bavaria on border with Austria with far higher incidence rate than 200 but you can prove me wrong with some actual numbers.

Anyway according to Financial Times German and Norwegian experts and researchers are forging Coronavirus data to cover up school transmissions...

https://www.ft.com/content/4842aab1-7cc8-4973-b98a-03edf1eeae54

Boggles · 29-10-2020 09:33AM

meeeeh wrote: »

Actually as far as I know there were closures of some schools in Bavaria on border with Austria with far higher incidence rate than 200 but you can prove me wrong with some actual numbers.

Why did you say they weren't closing so, if you knew they were?

Reality has all ready proved you wrong and you have backed it up yourself, nothing to do with me to be fair.

The region has recorded 239.5 new infections per 100,000 inhabitants over the past seven days.

meeeeh · 29-10-2020 09:35AM

Boggles wrote: »

Reality has all ready proved you wrong and you have backed it up yourself, nothing to do with me to be fair.

Which region?. It wasn't that the whole Bavaria closed schools, just some districts around Austrian border.

Boggles · 29-10-2020 09:38AM

meeeeh wrote: »

France and Germany are both leaving schools open. Especially Germans must really know nothing about Corona since they are not listening to your expert opinion.

meeeeh wrote: »

Which region?. It wasn't that the whole Bavaria closed schools, just some districts around Austrian border.

I never suggested that, I was replying to your post where you stated as fact that Germany are not closing schools.

They are, you replied with 'you all ready knew that'.

So both your statements can't be right, so which is it?

meeeeh · 29-10-2020 09:48AM

Boggles wrote: »

I never suggested that, I was replying to your post where you stated as fact that Germany are not closing schools.

They are, you replied with 'you all ready knew that'.

So both your statements can't be right, so which is it?

They are not. There is no state or national policy to close schools but there might be individual schools or towns that will close them temporarily. There are schools in Ireland which had to close. There was a circuit breaker in one of the Alpine regions that I know of and there might have been some more but that's about it. Nothing on state or national level.

Anyway some link would be nice who closed schools at the level you stated. Which region?

Boggles · 29-10-2020 09:59AM

meeeeh wrote: »

They are not. There is no state or national policy to close schools but there might be individual schools or towns that will close them temporarily. There are schools in Ireland which had to close. There was a circuit breaker in one of the Alpine regions that I know of and there might have been some more but that's about it. Nothing on state or national level.

I all ready covered that. Also no one suggested school closure would be permanent.

Boggles wrote: »

It's up to the regions. It would appear when the infection rate per 100,000 rises above 200 they are closed.
.

But back to your post I replied to.

meeeeh wrote: »

France and Germany are both leaving schools open.

So we have established by along with what you all ready knew when you posted the above, that statement is incorrect.

meeeeh wrote: »

Especially Germans must really know nothing about Corona since they are not listening to your expert opinion.

So Germans are listening to experts opinion and not going with the policy of schools open no matter what.

That expert opinion at least in the county of Rottal-Inn stated that once the incidence rate got above 200, it was time to close the schools. It is one of the worst effected regions in the country so I imagine it won't be the first time schools are ordered to close, in fact it's the second.

The Bavarian county of Rottal-Inn is to enter a de-facto lockdown on Tuesday. Schools and kindergartens will be closed while public events will be cancelled.

Rottal-Inn recorded well over 200 new infections per 100,000 people over the past week — districts are required to take action once new infections top 50 per 100,000.

This is the second county in the state of Bavaria to face a lockdown: Berchtesgaden entered lockdown on October 20.

Again for comparison we have had counties touch 1000. So back to your statement.

meeeeh wrote: »

Especially Germans must really know nothing about Corona since they are not listening to your expert opinion.

It sounds to me they know a lot about Corona.

meeeeh · 29-10-2020 10:14AM

Boggles wrote: »

I all ready covered that. Also no one suggested school closure would be permanent.

But back to your post I replied to.

So we have established by along with what you all ready knew when you posted the above, that statement is incorrect.

So Germans are listening to experts opinion and not going with the policy of schools open no matter what.

That expert opinion at least in the county of Rottal-Inn stated that once the incidence rate got above 200, it was time to close the schools. It is one of the worst effected regions in the country so I imagine it won't be the first time schools are ordered to close, in fact it's the second.

Again for comparison we have had counties touch 1000. So back to your statement.

It sounds to me they know a lot about Corona.

They do. That's why is only two border regions closing schools (might have to do something with skiing season).

In the article I linked it also says that German research points schools don't overly contribute to Corona spread. I bet that will be ignored.

I'm not going into further debate on Germany because you might be proven right in next few weeks or I suspect I will be proven right and schools in general willstay open (ignoring small local closures or individual schools).

29-10-2020 10:17AM

Boggles wrote: »

I all ready covered that. Also no one suggested school closure would be permanent.

But back to your post I replied to.

So we have established by along with what you all ready knew when you posted the above, that statement is incorrect.

So Germans are listening to experts opinion and not going with the policy of schools open no matter what.

That expert opinion at least in the county of Rottal-Inn stated that once the incidence rate got above 200, it was time to close the schools. It is one of the worst effected regions in the country so I imagine it won't be the first time schools are ordered to close, in fact it's the second.

Again for comparison we have had counties touch 1000. So back to your statement.

It sounds to me they know a lot about Corona.

Per week, not per 14 days. Need to compare like with like.

Germany also has a seven day incidence of 100 and rising, ours is 132 and falling. So they are not the golden child they are sometimes presented as

Boggles · 29-10-2020 10:21AM

meeeeh wrote: »

They do. That's why is only two border regions closing schools (might have to do something with skiing season).

So Germany are not keep schools open. Maybe you should edit your post I replied to reflect something you seemingly all ready knew.

meeeeh wrote: »

In the article I linked it also says that German research points schools don't overly contribute to Corona spread. I bet that will be ignored.

Articles are great, I loved them.

But in reality German regions are ordering school closures, as are other countries in Europe.

Boggles · 29-10-2020 10:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Per week, not per 14 days. Need to compare like with like.

The 14 day incidence rate in that region is well below 200.

Deleted User wrote: »

Germany also has a seven day incidence of 100 and rising, ours is 132 and falling. So they are not the golden child they are sometimes presented as

You will have take that up with the poster who falsely claimed all though they knew, Germany were not closing schools.

wirelessdude01 · 29-10-2020 10:27AM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1029/1174575-coronavirus-global/

All children aged 6 and upwards must wear masks in class.

Boggles · 29-10-2020 10:29AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1029/1174575-coronavirus-global/

All children aged 6 and upwards must wear masks in class.

France are in bad shape.

Their NPHET claimed they are at around 100,000 infections a day.

Far more stringent restrictions on the way I fear and a very tough time for their health care system.

SusanC10 · 29-10-2020 10:32AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1029/1174575-coronavirus-global/

All children aged 6 and upwards must wear masks in class.

That might be an idea here. Maybe not 6 but 3rd/4th Class upwards ?

khalessi · 29-10-2020 10:35AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

That might be an idea here. Maybe not 6 but 3rd/4th Class upwards ?

I dont see why a 6 year old cant wear a mask, I see plenty walking around over the last few months, young kids with masks most behaving better in them than the adults.

wirelessdude01 · 29-10-2020 10:36AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

That might be an idea here. Maybe not 6 but 3rd/4th Class upwards ?

I've been of the opinion since before we went back that 4th class upwards should be wearing them. Fits with the science that is widely accepted that 10+ are the same as adults.

29-10-2020 10:37AM

Boggles wrote: »

So Germany are not keep schools open. Maybe you should edit your post I replied to reflect something you seemingly all ready knew.

Articles are great, I loved them.

But in reality German regions are ordering school closures, as are other countries in Europe.

And yet, at least one of the only three eu countries with falling case rates have not closed schools. I don’t know what Finland and Malta have done

SusanC10 · 29-10-2020 10:41AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I've been of the opinion since before we went back that 4th class upwards should be wearing them. Fits with the science that is widely accepted that 10+ are the same as adults.

Our 5th Class child has been wearing them since Day 1 in August. They are only 2 others in the Class doing so. Plus the Teacher.

wirelessdude01 · 29-10-2020 10:46AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Our 5th Class child has been wearing them since Day 1 in August. They are only 2 others in the Class doing so. Plus the Teacher.

Before I was out I had only 2/3 that wore them anyway frequently. No sure what happened over the past 5 weeks.

Actually I had a different child who always worse them one out on yard but never in class.

Icyseanfitz · 29-10-2020 10:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And yet, at least one of the only three eu countries with falling case rates have not closed schools. I don’t know what Finland and Malta have done

I wouldn't be celebrating our falling numbers yet considering our daily testing has dropped from 19k to 11k and the hse has all but admitted our contact tracing and testing is all but falling apart.

Boggles · 29-10-2020 10:53AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And yet, at least one of the only three eu countries with falling case rates have not closed schools. I don’t know what Finland and Malta have done

I can only go on what our "data" tells us.

The chances of picking up the virus in Irish schools is about the same as before the virus existed.

1 or 2 recorded cases maybe.

Like I have said previously that is unbelievable.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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