Schools closed until February? (part 3)

JJJackal · 28-10-2020 06:30PM

Smacruairi wrote: »

Ah this old chestnut. Please provide me a link to exactly where older teachers voted to agree to permanently different payscales and conditions. It was sneaked in the back door, you know it. Direct quotes from the agreements only please.

There was a vote on the pay agreement?

khalessi · 28-10-2020 06:31PM

JJJackal wrote: »

Healthcare workers are aware that will work in a pandemic - some nurses want to work in a GP surgery, some doctors want to do dermatology, some dieticians want to work with people with T2DM.

There is a limited pool of doctors, nurses and allied health professionals who have signed up to treat and manage infectious diseases,

Based on your theory (which I don't agree with), teachers new they would be exposed to viruses (children pick up viruses frequently) in overcrowded classrooms (overcrowded classrooms is not new).

You are right firemen wouldnt complain about doing their job when their country needed them. I agree wholeheartedly with this

Actually the firebrigade have one of the strongest unions going and have threatened to walk everytime the government have decided to decrease their numbers. And guess what. no reduction in numbers. They are an emergency service so are required at all times.

Jinglejangle69 · 28-10-2020 06:31PM

virginmediapls wrote: »

Full support for teachers if they decide to strike. Completely ridiculous to think it's reasonable to leave schools open, while the rest of the country closes due to inherent danger of catching/spreading the disease.

At the very least, why not employ a few teachers, on a contract, to create/record live classes over zoom for students who (a) are able to stay at home (b) have parents that are willing to do this? It would cut numbers in Secondary schools down significantly with a very limited outlay of cash. All it takes is a little coordination wrt syllabus by the Deparment of Education. It also gives a job to a few more teachers, and the videos can provide benefit to students for years. It pays for itself. It would mean better social distancing in schools.

Nobody ever really seems to propose any sensible middle-ground in these discussions, it annoys me.

Hold on now.

While the rest of the country closes?

And you talk about middle ground?

JJJackal · 28-10-2020 06:32PM

khalessi wrote: »

Actually the firebrigade have one of the strongest unions going and have threatened to walk everytime the government have decided to decrease their numbers. And guess what. no reduction in numbers. They are an emergency service so are required at all times.

They dont threaten strike when the countries burning?

RoryMac · 28-10-2020 06:33PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

Opposition of trade unions is one of the most fundamentally right wing positions going back the past couple of hundred years, not sure if everything is, but this most certainly is.

Where once it was the landed gentry in opposition now it's the billionaire class resisting taxation and regulation through their media empires, the end result remains the same if unchallenged though.

Bizarre post!

So if you don't agree to all trade union demands you're right wing???

khalessi · 28-10-2020 06:33PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Imagine exploiting a global pandemic to demand a pay rise after working for 6 weeks, and having the previous 6 months off on holidays ? All the while most others worked their arse off especially retail staff and healthcare workers.

And then thinking you and your big powerful unions are the good guys? It's really grotesque what they are doing.
Government must stand up to these unions and call their bluff.

Imagine asking workers to work during a pandemic and not giving them the same rights as other sectors. Hmm already had nursing hime scandal and meat factories and hand sanitiser in schools along with other breach of safety protocols in schools

Smacruairi · 28-10-2020 06:35PM

JJJackal wrote: »

There was a vote on the pay agreement?

Can you please point out in the agreement where older members voted to "let down" younger members please? Shouldn't be that hard

JJJackal · 28-10-2020 06:35PM

khalessi wrote: »

Imagine asking workers to work during a pandemic and not giving them the same rights as other sectors. Hmm already had nursing hime scandal and meat factories and hand sanitiser in schools along with other breach of safety protocols in schools

The gov didnt go to the handsantizer lads or ladies and say please give us poor handsanitizer so that we can have a scandal and it will need to be withdrawn to be fair.

Smacruairi · 28-10-2020 06:37PM

JJJackal wrote: »

The gov didnt go to the handsantizer lads or ladies and say please give us poor handsanitizer so that we can have a scandal and it will need to be withdrawn to be fair.

Or say "that app we asked everyone to use, yeah ignore that" or "actually can everyone contact trace themselves"...

JimmyCorkhill · 28-10-2020 06:38PM

Typical teachers, such a precious bunch. Was only ever a matter of time before they started their sh1t.

Looking for pay increases too when the country is fcuked.

Awful crowd.

eagle eye · 28-10-2020 06:41PM

JJJackal wrote:

They are not made in Ireland (open to correction here).

Well that's an easy problem to solve. I'm sure they'd have no problem from being workers.

Hotblack Desiato · 28-10-2020 06:41PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

The older teachers and the unions let the post-2010 teachers down by agreeing to different payscales.

A common misconception a.k.a. a falsehood repeated by the Indo often enough that it is taken as gospel. Of course it also suits the prejudices of those with an axe to grind so they lap it up.

The truth is that FF/Greens imposed reduced pay scales across the public sector unilaterally, they were never negotiated with never mind agreed to by unions.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

While the rest of the country closes?

You can't buy a pair of jocks in Dunnes now ffs. It was unfair on the clothing-only retailers, apparently :rolleyes:

khalessi · 28-10-2020 06:42PM

JJJackal wrote: »

They dont threaten strike when the countries burning?

Yes they have, a number of times since the 70s that I am aware of as the kid of a FF. It has gone to the bone a few times.

Tell me how often is the country burning? How aware are you of therir demands and threats of strikes, let me help 2018 Cork FFs, 2017 1999 for a few examples and the 1980s were very interesting.

2ndcoming · 28-10-2020 06:42PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Bizarre post!

So if you don't agree to all trade union demands you're right wing???

Not at all... I am not talking about random posts on Boards, I'm talking about concerted anti-union positions taken by some sections of the media.

In this instance the teachers are right, in the previous instance re pay inequality they were right also. That does not mean any and every union position is right, but you can be sure the usual suspects will wheel out the usual opposition, for the reasons outlined already.

JP100 · 28-10-2020 06:43PM

JimmyCorkhill wrote: »

Typical teachers, such a precious bunch. Was only ever a matter of time before they started their sh1t.

Looking for pay increases too when the country is fcuked.

Awful crowd.

Mother of God! They're looking for pay equality not pay increases!

meeeeh · 28-10-2020 06:44PM

They might want to double up with Gemma O'Doherty or some other anti mask crowd when they are striking. They will be probably similarly popular.

khalessi · 28-10-2020 06:46PM

meeeeh wrote: »

They might want to double up with Gemma O'Doherty or some other anti mask crowd when they are striking. They will be probably similarly popular.

Looking at various social media sites popular opinion on side of teachers

JJJackal · 28-10-2020 06:47PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes they have, a number of times since the 70s that I am aware of as the kid of a FF. It has gone to the bone a few times.

Tell me how often is the country burning? How aware are you of therir demands and threats of strikes, let me help 2018 Cork FFs, 2017 1999 for a few examples and the 1980s were very interesting.

Firefighters fight fire. They would not strike if the country was on fire (burning). I do not believe the country was on fire (not talking about an isolated fire) when they went on or threatened strike?

The country needs to stick together now. Teachers too. Now is not the time to strike.

meeeeh · 28-10-2020 06:50PM

khalessi wrote: »

Looking at various social media sites popular opinion on side of teachers

I'm sure popular opinion was also with Hilary Clinton or anti Brexit. Not to mention that social media serves you stuff you like to see.

Icyseanfitz · 28-10-2020 06:56PM

JJJackal wrote: »

Firefighters fight fire. They would not strike if the country was on fire (burning). I do not believe the country was on fire (not talking about an isolated fire) when they went on or threatened strike?

The country needs to stick together now. Teachers too. Now is not the time to strike.

If you where asked to sit in an unventilated room with 25-30 people for 6 hours a day at 0.6m apart in the current climate would you be okay? And then if the close contact system in place throughout the country was changed for your one place of work so as not to pick up cases or inform you of them, would you be okay?

JJJackal · 28-10-2020 06:57PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

If you where asked to sit in an unventilated room with 25-30 people for 6 hours a day at 0.6m apart in the current climate would you be okay? And then if the close contact system in place throughout the country was changed for your one place of work so as not to pick up cases or inform you of them, would you be okay?

I would be guided by NPHET

I am not an expert

Icyseanfitz · 28-10-2020 06:57PM

:rolleyes:

JJJackal wrote: »

I would be guided by NPHET

I am not an expert

froog · 28-10-2020 06:58PM

if the vote to strike was on;

1. faster testing
2. proper application of close contact definition
3. provision of PPE if there is a shortage (i'm not sure there is)
4. other control gaps I am not aware of
5. immediate investigation into the methanol hand sanitiser debacle (not sure how this isn't on the ballot)

with a reasonable timeline for fixing, say 3 weeks, i would be strongly in support of them.

but you add in free laptops for everyone, an old pay increase grievance, guaranteed full hours permanent job (just spotted that one) to anyone joining the system and a two day deadline you lose all public support.

froog · 28-10-2020 06:59PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

If you where asked to sit in an unventilated room with 25-30 people for 6 hours a day at 0.6m apart in the current climate would you be okay? And then if the close contact system in place throughout the country was changed for your one place of work so as not to pick up cases or inform you of them, would you be okay?

i would open the windows.

is_that_so · 28-10-2020 07:00PM

Latest data on mass testing of schools.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1028/1174484-irish-schools-covid/

meeeeh · 28-10-2020 07:02PM

Anyway all government need to do is drag this out a week or two. Then they will be balloting for actual strike. It will take them another week to count the votes and then the covid numbers will be hopefully low enough anyway and it will make the strike look completely ridiculous.

Rodin · 28-10-2020 07:02PM

The teachers should tell the ICU nurses how difficult things are... see what response they get...

Never happy that lot....

khalessi · 28-10-2020 07:02PM

JJJackal wrote: »

Firefighters fight fire. They would not strike if the country was on fire (burning). I do not believe the country was on fire (not talking about an isolated fire) when they went on or threatened strike?

The country needs to stick together now. Teachers too. Now is not the time to strike.

Despite what you believe, Dublin Fire fighters went on strike in the 80s for 14 weeks

Icyseanfitz · 28-10-2020 07:04PM

froog wrote: »

i would open the windows.

The long sought after cure for covid has finally been found

8k71ps · 28-10-2020 07:04PM

Rodin wrote: »

The teachers should tell the ICU nurses how difficult things are... see what response they get...

Never happy that lot....

Ah yes, because a medical worker working during a pandemic and a teacher who never signed up to work in disease ridden conditions are exactly the same thing

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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