Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

JimToken · 27-10-2020 11:30PM

It looks like Prof O'neills head is gone

Time for the Covid trash can

bloopy · 27-10-2020 11:32PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Essentially they are saying on prime time life as it is now for a number of years as a vaccine is unlikely to offer much respite if it is ever approved.

This will not happen. The country will break.

Charles Babbage · 27-10-2020 11:33PM

JimToken wrote: »

It looks like Prof O'neills head is gone

Time for the Covid trash can

I'd say his head is in better working order than the large proportion of the posters on this thread spewing meaningless nonsense.

patnor1011 · 27-10-2020 11:36PM

Yep. It is like death by thousand cuts.
First it was covid, then second wave and then what? Third? Fourth? Sixtieth?

Then like let us do this it is only till vaccine cometh...
Now it is that even with vaccines we will have to wait till the second generation or third or sixtieth?

All the while little by little this insanity is being presented as "new normal" and that we have to get used to it. Try to question any of it and you are granny killer.
Complete nonsense. It is beyond ridiculous.

We are told now that look how great we fare with masks and social distancing as flu is almost nonexistent and the same people who spout this nonsense will tell you with a straight face that we need more of it because of covid which spreads like crazy.

risteard7 · 27-10-2020 11:37PM

3 Covid related deaths, buy any of the papers tomorrow & read the obituary section, dozens dying from old age, suicide, natural causes and being neglected because of Covid.

We were painted a picture of people dying on the streets and banging at the doors of hospitals to get in. But no we got mass unemployment & Nurses dancing in PPE for videos on tik tok & Instagram.

Quantum Erasure · 27-10-2020 11:43PM

risteard7 wrote: »

3 Covid related deaths, buy any of the papers tomorrow & read the obituary section, dozens dying from old age, suicide, natural causes and being neglected because of Covid. .

Why does suicide keep being brought up in these discussions? It's a red herring, something like 1% of deaths

Pitch n Putt · 27-10-2020 11:44PM

JRant wrote: »

Tony need not bother is hole checking mobile data. It's very clear from being out and about that this is nowhere like March/April. The roads are busy, loads of people out and about. People are not cowering away this time.

If Tony got his graph drawing data experts to do a bit of contact tracing instead it would be much more beneficial to all instead of wondering if people are using atms or seismic data regarding movement.

MelbourneMan · 27-10-2020 11:57PM

risteard7 wrote: »

We were painted a picture of people dying on the streets and banging at the doors of hospitals to get in. But no we got mass unemployment & Nurses dancing in PPE for videos on tik tok & Instagram.

Hello. While you paint it in rather graphic terms, this risk was well communicated to the people of Ireland, and as a result, they did perform very well and flattened the curve - a method of avoiding exceeding health service capacity by reduce cases at any given point in time - during the first wave. This experience has shown people that it is the correct and only realistic means of containing the virus and minimising loss of life, and so the process can be repeated with confidence and as needed in a controlled cycle of virus containment. The concerns about PPE will no apply for this or future waves, given a rapid ramp up of production and supply chains.

Strumms · 27-10-2020 11:58PM

risteard7 wrote: »

3 Covid related deaths, buy any of the papers tomorrow & read the obituary section, dozens dying from old age, suicide, natural causes and being neglected because of Covid.

We were painted a picture of people dying on the streets and banging at the doors of hospitals to get in. But no we got mass unemployment & Nurses dancing in PPE for videos on tik tok & Instagram.

Deaths are not the only number to get preoccupied with... 939 new cases isn’t something to be overjoyed about or to celebrate.

Another one with their nose out of joint because healthcare workers happened to spend a ‘couple of minutes’ out of an xx hour shift having a laugh and de-stressing during a grim pandemic, right. Last time I looked it was a democracy not North Korea.

We can get all precious about one TikTok featuring healthcare workers but not people who can’t gain access to hospitals for treatment, procedures etc because there are so many people there because of covid, yet you have the same individuals calling for an end to restrictions... you couldn’t make this shît up.

Penfailed · 27-10-2020 11:59PM

JRant wrote: »

Tony need not bother is hole checking mobile data. It's very clear from being out and about that this is nowhere like March/April. The roads are busy, loads of people out and about. People are not cowering away this time.

Yet, if you check the data linked above, the numbers are generally below the baseline figures.

Penfailed · 28-10-2020 12:04AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Why does suicide keep being brought up in these discussions? It's a red herring, something like 1% of deaths

More like 0.0001%

JRant · 28-10-2020 12:09AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Why does suicide keep being brought up in these discussions? It's a red herring, something like 1% of deaths

Why the fascination with COVID deaths, it's a red herring and only 6% of all deaths in the country.

JRant · 28-10-2020 12:12AM

Penfailed wrote: »

Yet, if you check the data linked above, the numbers are generally below the baseline figures.

What are the baseline figures for exactly?

Johnboy1951 · 28-10-2020 12:15AM

JRant wrote: »

Why the fascination with COVID deaths, it's a red herring and only 6% of all deaths in the country.

Huh!

Surely the number of deaths FROM/BY Covid indicates how deadly (or not) Covid is.

It is the most important number of all.

JRant · 28-10-2020 12:22AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Huh!

Surely the number of deaths FROM Covid indicates how deadly (or not) Covid is.

It is the most important number of all.

Surely you mean deaths WITH COVID.

Don't Chute! · 28-10-2020 12:41AM

This whole “new normal” bull**** has been annoying me since the start of this thing. It’s being pushed by people who actually seem to WANT it to be. If it was the new normal it would have already been the normal after the Spanish flu or any number of other pandemics. It wasn’t then it won’t be now. The hashtag this and hashtag that merchants will get sick of it and then we will be back to actual normal. It might take a while but it will happen.

acequion · 28-10-2020 01:26AM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

This whole “new normal” bull**** has been annoying me since the start of this thing. It’s being pushed by people who actually seem to WANT it to be. If it was the new normal it would have already been the normal after the Spanish flu or any number of other pandemics. It wasn’t then it won’t be now. The hashtag this and hashtag that merchants will get sick of it and then we will be back to actual normal. It might take a while but it will happen.

Agree completely. "Plus ca change" and all that. Humans love living, love their comforts and love progress that makes comfortable and interesting living possible. Just look at all the major societal changes in Ireland this century. And in the world last millennium.

The phrase "new normal" has been coined by zealots I reckon. Those who touted the word "pain" in the recession years as if it was some weird kind of pleasure.

The problem is that the Irish have a Catholic closet love affair with self flagellating concepts like "pain" and "new normal" And curtailed by this misery as I am right now like many of my fellow Irish, I really worry about how long this insanity of "new normal" might last.

risteard7 · 28-10-2020 01:37AM

Strumms wrote: »

Deaths are not the only number to get preoccupied with... 939 new cases isn’t something to be overjoyed about or to celebrate.

Another one with their nose out of joint because healthcare workers happened to spend a ‘couple of minutes’ out of an xx hour shift having a laugh and de-stressing during a grim pandemic, right. Last time I looked it was a democracy not North Korea.

We can get all precious about one TikTok featuring healthcare workers but not people who can’t gain access to hospitals for treatment, procedures etc because there are so many people there because of covid, yet you have the same individuals calling for an end to restrictions... you couldn’t make this shît up.

I am a healthcare worker, trust me when the boxes of PPE were delivered we had loads of empty beds so the day was spent trying on the PPE & of course all the phones were out taking pictures for social media. Then for lunch we tucked into one of our feed the heroes meals.

Now of course some of the ICU wards around the country were busy, but they are anyway. I'm not denying that but people really haven't a clue what's going on in the hospitals

acequion · 28-10-2020 01:59AM

risteard7 wrote: »

I am a healthcare worker, trust me when the boxes of PPE were delivered we had loads of empty beds so the day was spent trying on the PPE & of course all the phones were out taking pictures for social media. Then for lunch we tucked into one of our feed the heroes meals.

Now of course some of the ICU wards around the country were busy, but they are anyway. I'm not denying that but people really haven't a clue what's going on in the hospitals

I'd believe it risrteard7 as I work in a school and people wouldn't believe what goes on there either.

I'm just happy to have got to midterm without being infected. But sure as long as the right boxes are ticked and right photos taken, who cares!

virginmediapls · 28-10-2020 02:47AM

risteard7 wrote: »

I am a healthcare worker, trust me when the boxes of PPE were delivered we had loads of empty beds so the day was spent trying on the PPE & of course all the phones were out taking pictures for social media. Then for lunch we tucked into one of our feed the heroes meals.

Now of course some of the ICU wards around the country were busy, but they are anyway. I'm not denying that but people really haven't a clue what's going on in the hospitals

Sweet Jesus.

risteard7 · 28-10-2020 07:39AM

virginmediapls wrote: »

Sweet Jesus.

Ok, but what I said is 100% true, but I'll lie and go with the narrative so. Yeah we are flat out busy. Covid patients are everywhere bunk beds were installed. I know it has effected some but it is not what some people think. Sorry for being honest

suicide_circus · 28-10-2020 07:54AM

risteard7 wrote: »

I am a healthcare worker, trust me when the boxes of PPE were delivered we had loads of empty beds so the day was spent trying on the PPE & of course all the phones were out taking pictures for social media. Then for lunch we tucked into one of our feed the heroes meals.

Now of course some of the ICU wards around the country were busy, but they are anyway. I'm not denying that but people really haven't a clue what's going on in the hospitals

I was in Jameses recently with a family member. The halls were filled with nurses and various staff chatting, hanging out, giggling and flirting. Very few patients. Very little working going on. Only anecdotal obviously but it was my impression having been in and out of the place over the course of 6 or 7 hours.

suicide_circus · 28-10-2020 07:57AM

acequion wrote: »

The phrase "new normal" has been coined by zealots I reckon. Those who touted the word "pain" in the recession years as if it was some weird kind of pleasure.

These are people who werent really hit financially during the last recession and whose quality of life has actually improved because of WFH during covid.

Penfailed · 28-10-2020 08:08AM

JRant wrote: »

What are the baseline figures for exactly?

It's all in the link. I've screen shot the information about the baseline.

average_runner · 28-10-2020 08:13AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

I was in Jameses recently with a family member. The halls were filled with nurses and various staff chatting, hanging out, giggling and flirting. Very few patients. Very little working going on. Only anecdotal obviously but it was my impression having been in and out of the place over the course of 6 or 7 hours.

How did you get into a ward with lockdown ongoing since October?

A&E will be quite as people are avoiding it, but covid cases don't go to A&E

average_runner · 28-10-2020 08:15AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

These are people who werent really hit financially during the last recession and whose quality of life has actually improved because of WFH during covid.

WFH has advantages but also disadvantages. People spend more time working when at home. Also now at a stage where every day just becomes one day including the weekend.

People would prefer a hybrid system when we beat the virus

JRant · 28-10-2020 08:18AM

Penfailed wrote: »

It's all in the link. I've screen shot the information about the baseline.

Thanks Pen.

I wonder why they didn't do a rolling 5 weeks aggregate for a year over year analysis. Compare October 2019 with 2020. Maybe that's beyond there capabilities but would be a fairly straightforward data analysis.

suicide_circus · 28-10-2020 08:19AM

average_runner wrote: »

How did you get into a ward with lockdown ongoing since October?

A&E will be quite as people are avoiding it, but covid cases don't go to A&E

This was prior to this lockdown

walus · 28-10-2020 08:21AM

Penfailed wrote: »

More like 0.0001%

There were 421 suicides in Ireland last year. That makes it approximately 1.4% of all deaths. How did you come up with your figure?

FintanMcluskey · 28-10-2020 08:49AM

walus wrote: »

There were 421 suicides in Ireland last year. That makes it approximately 1.4% of all deaths. How did you come up with your figure?

Pulled from a recess deep within oneself I imagine

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings