Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Funsterdelux · 27-10-2020 09:57PM

WasBornToBoogie wrote: »

Top COVID story I should clarify.

Oh thank you

Stheno · 27-10-2020 09:59PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

What?
Are you just purposely ignorant to what NPHET do? Or just never bothered to actually educate yourself!

NPHET doesn’t mandate anything, it offers advice and recommendations based on the projections.

I think Tony said on the LLS last Friday that he/NPHET mandated level five

Spanish Eyes · 27-10-2020 10:01PM

Belgium is in rag order. So UK was right to Brexit and not have to go to the Berlaymont anymore.

Tongue in cheek comment of course.

Spain is in bits too as is Italy. Strange how some EU countries are kind of surviving, but others are not. Wonder why that is. And Sweden's cases are rising now too, despite all the kudos to them for their very liberal stance.

We are surely in this for the long haul now. Better to know than be surprised.

Boggles · 27-10-2020 10:01PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I do think some people just want to be ****en miserable, numbers starting to turn here slightly and people move their attention to Europe and forget all about here.

Not you though Niallo, you have been constantly focused on Europe banging the drum that we should be more like them in our approach.

But now you want to move your attention back to Ireland?

:pac:

caveat emptor · 27-10-2020 10:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Can’t attack the message, attack the messenger, and even then miss completely. All these companies who are developing vaccines and other treatments, as well as other listed who manufacture pharmaceuticals and medical devices that would be used in treatment have an interest in underplaying the effects?

What the list you highlighted shows is that the authors are among the most respected in their field, courted by competitors of each other in multiple fields

Hi Raind, No it shows they are paid off to write for them. Why did you not comment on the image. I'll post again for you. Do you want to apologise for saying it doesn't have asymptomatic cases when I showed you again? (hint: they are thee light coloured dots below.) If you can't see them then I'd have to recommend specsavers at this stage.

Nice try to discredit a peer reviewed paper all in the name to discredit me lol. Ballsy I must admit. Let's agree to disagree yeah and move on. Cheers. All the best. Have a go again and spot the difference between those with covid those without, those who are asymptomatic and also have statistically significant higher markers for heart damage. Or give over thanks.

Stheno · 27-10-2020 10:03PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Belgium is in rag order. So UK was right to Brexit and not have to go to the Berlaymont anymore.

Tongue in cheek comment of course.

Spain is in bits too as is Italy. Strange how some EU countries are kind of surviving, but others are not. Wonder why that is. And Sweden's cases are rising now too, despite all the kudos to them for their very liberal stance.

We are surely in this for the long haul now. Better to know than be surprised.

Czech republic had to get the EU to ship them extra ventilators

Germany/Poland/France/Netherlands also in trouble

Several now talking about nationwide lockdowns

Spanish Eyes · 27-10-2020 10:03PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I do think some people just want to be ****en miserable, numbers starting to turn here slightly and people move their attention to Europe and forget all about here.

It is a roller coaster. Them today, us tomorrow again. No getting away from it really is there?

SleetAndSnow · 27-10-2020 10:07PM

Delighted with the improvement in numbers here, hopefully level 5 drops them even further then they are going and we see no rise after possible mid-term gatherings etc.

caveat emptor · 27-10-2020 10:11PM

domrush wrote: »

The tone of this post is tough to take.

Granted. I find it hard to take when people trying to discredit peer reviewed scientific journals for their own ends. I'm trying to disengage. He called into question my character which I have a right to defend.

Certain posters have minimised since day one. This is a contributory factor in us being in lockdown. We need to wake up and get real. I like raind but it's not cool to dismiss a really important study because you are part of groupthink. AFAIK he studied science so should know better imho.

Here's a post of mine from first of July......

caveat emptor wrote: »

Nobody should joke about violence. That we agree on.
The world is not back to normal. We all had a collective responsibility to deal with this virus. It was our collective action that stopped.
Since that looks like it's out the window I won't feel one once of collective sympathy when it all goes wrong.
This includes as and when airline industry furloughed to curtail loses. This is a capitalist society after all and we need to. play by the rules of the system.
Airlines going under.

Outbreaks

Pubs going under

People who contracted it from people who went on holidays

Heart wrenching documentaries etc.

check points can fvck off.

“The strong do whatever they are allowed to do and the weak accept it and forgive them.”

I'll be strongly advocating to get back to normal. Thems the breaks unfortunately. I'll support not giving handouts to those who put at risk our most vulnerable. People should be cared for on whether they took the piss or not.

FintanMcluskey · 27-10-2020 10:12PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

What?
Are you just purposely ignorant to what NPHET do? Or just never bothered to actually educate yourself!

NPHET doesn’t mandate anything, it offers advice and recommendations based on the projections.

Wind your neck in slightly.

Tony used those word’s himself

is_that_so · 27-10-2020 10:17PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Did he suggest it was a likely outcome, or the outcome if certain things continued to happen?

You can't model accurately with any degree of confidence, because you can't say "Okay, we're going to model things based on going into level 5 and X is going to happen" because some people won't adhere to level 5, and things are much worse than forecast, and people go apesh*t and claim they weren't warned. Human behaviour is about as variable as model variables are likely to get.
So do you give no models? No. Because then you have self-anointed statisticians with a remedial grasp of mathematics predicting Christ knows what, and people will listen to them because people like models and graphs and not having to think for themselves.

So you give a simple model, with its acknowledged limitations and caveats, and hope that some people heed it as a warning of what might come to pass if things continue as they are, and try to ignore the people who come to the end of A Christmas Carol and go "That fecking Ghost of Christmas Future hadn't a notion what he was talking about - he got it all wrong!".

Based on a model at a given time, we have 6 weeks of lockdown they have to stand over. It will be anticipatory behaviour and people being ahead of us that will of course show up the data issues with the model. What is problematic is the very narrow scope of that model and how it might inform decisions the government have to make.

Throughout Spring and early summer it was key, now it is not and nor should it be. Ultimately it's not how right or or wrong it is but how NHPET might choose to interpret the data in their decisions, the not there yet factor we are all familiar with. In that context people are fully entitled to question the data, especially if it turns out to be way off because we have a personal stake in this.

Kermit.de.frog · 27-10-2020 10:19PM

Over 33,000 new cases in France and 523 new deaths. That's the highest death toll since mid April in the country.

In the last 24 hours...

Positivity rate: 18.4% (+0.6)
In hospital: 18,978 (+1,194)
In ICU: 2,918 (+148)

Professor Moriarty · 27-10-2020 10:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Over 33,000 new cases in France and 523 new deaths. That's the highest death toll since mid April in the country.

In the last 24 hours...

Positivity rate: 18.4% (+0.6)
In hospital: 18,978 (+1,194)
In ICU: 2,918 (+148)

In Liege, Belgium, the positivity rate is 33%.

Spanish Eyes · 27-10-2020 10:25PM

Stheno wrote: »

Czech republic had to get the EU to ship them extra ventilators

Germany/Poland/France/Netherlands also in trouble

Several now talking about nationwide lockdowns

It is so grim now. We seek light at the end of the tunnel, but none forthcoming any time soon it seems. Still we hope for the best.

caveat emptor · 27-10-2020 10:26PM

Seems like a pragmatic as opposed dogmatic approach.

https://twitter.com/RuthSto98463584/status/1321160341389193216?s=20

Always_Running · 27-10-2020 10:29PM

Last seven days compared to the previous 7 days.

1606 less reported cases from 28 more tests carried out.

Deaths reported last 7 days was 25 compared to 35 last week.

ICU 38 now v 35 this time last week

Spanish Eyes · 27-10-2020 10:31PM

This time last year what were you doing/planning given that it is mid term break. Was so easy back then.

I was in Casares Spain, gorgeous weather, not hot but warmer than here, haven't been back since. But will get over it for the sake of our family and others too.

27-10-2020 10:33PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Granted. I find it hard to take when people trying to discredit peer reviewed scientific journals for their own ends. I'm trying to disengage. He called into question my character which I have a right to defend.

Certain posters have minimised since day one. This is a contributory factor in us being in lockdown. We need to wake up and get real. I like raind but it's not cool to dismiss a really important study because you are part of groupthink. AFAIK he studied science so should know better imho.

Here's a post of mine from first of July......

The hypocrisy is strong in this one. Comment below was on a paper in the exact same journal.

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah read the paper there. Talks a lot about nothing. May , may , may. Not is. No risk controlled group too compare with. No. sample size. No thanks.

Also nice conflicts of interest. Now why would any of those companies not want elimination? huh? Would it be anything to do with potential profits from vaccines and treatments. If it doesn't exist there is no problem. If people were made aware of the damage this causes then the choice will be made as hard as that is. It's the easier option rather than prolonged suffering and hardship that "living with the virus entails.

Reminds me of the research that led to the "food pyramid" in the 70s /80s.

Ha Long Bay · 27-10-2020 10:35PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Wind your neck in slightly.

Tony used those word’s himself

He said that the NPHET recommendations to government were that level 5 restriction are mandated.

Full letter attached as well I cant see mandated used once.

Jim_Hodge · 27-10-2020 10:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Wind your neck in slightly.

Tony used those word’s himself

The word yes but not in the manner you're suggesting. He said Level 5 was mandated, not that he or NPHET mandated level 5. It's a usage very different.

Spanish Eyes · 27-10-2020 10:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The schools shouldn't re-open under level 5 full stop. The government are free to trample on the hospitality and retail sectors, yet let hundreds of children run around the yard in the hope they remain asymptomatic. It's called remote learning, numbers are not going to fall enough if in-class teaching persists.

Better to keep them corralled in a school rather than roaming around all day every day at will.

Germ spreading feckers.

bennyl10 · 27-10-2020 10:39PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Wind your neck in slightly.

Tony used those word’s himself

Nope.

He said it was mandated. As it was by government

Not that he mandated it.

He can’t mandate it, he is in not in government

He, and NPHET, only give advice

Risteard81 · 27-10-2020 10:42PM

growleaves wrote: »

Irish Times reporting that opposition parties in Italy who are against restrictions, e.g. Northern League, are leading in opinion polls.

Good. Any government supporting restrictions against its citizens deserves to be overthrown.

Spanish Eyes · 27-10-2020 10:42PM

Oh and calling the CMO "Tony" is what he loves, like Boris. Sorry PM Johnson.

Call him Dr. Holohan, the Chief Medical Officer. He is doing a job and that's that.

cannotlogin · 27-10-2020 10:45PM

Bloody hell.......haven't watched Rte News in months but just caught the last 10 minutes...what a negative, dramastised, end of the world is in sight style of reporting.....covid, unemployment etc.

My heart goes out to all of the elderly people in the country, tuning in nightly as part of their routine, listening to all of the misery reporting.

Fully appreciate that covid is serious and we all need to do our bit but that kind of reporting serves no purpose.

Seamai · 27-10-2020 10:45PM

"With most of Europe heading back into lockdown, will we be following them?"

Miriam O'Callaghan a few minutes ago on Prime Time. Just what fúcking planet is the women living on? What does she call where we're now?
Remind me again how much she's paid.

Stheno · 27-10-2020 10:47PM

Seamai wrote: »

"With most of Europe heading back into lockdown will we be following them?"

Miriam O'Callaghan a few minutes ago on Prime Time. Just what fúcking planet is the women living on? What does she call where were now?
Remind me again how much she's paid.

Did she seriously say that?

NIMAN · 27-10-2020 10:47PM

I was out today for the 1st time in maybe 4 days and this L5 lockdown is absolutely nothing like the initial L5 lockdown.

Local town had loads of people milking around. Supermarket packed. Even seen a local furniture warehouse open and loads coming and going.

Not too optisimistic about getting an R figure of 0.5 by end of November.

Spanish Eyes · 27-10-2020 10:49PM

Seamai wrote: »

"With most of Europe heading back into lockdown will we be following them?"

Miriam O'Callaghan a few minutes ago on Prime Time. Just what fúcking planet is the women living on? What does she call where were now?
Remind me again how much she's paid.

She would have to pay me to watch her. :P

agoodpunt · 27-10-2020 10:50PM

Lockdown hiproocy among those uneffected

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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