Schools closed until February? (part 3)

wirelessdude01 · 27-10-2020 11:59AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

What they say? This a bone of contention in our school

Have cross ventilation and wear layers.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 27-10-2020 12:04PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Have cross ventilation and wear layers.

It's going to be an ongoing battle so

wirelessdude01 · 27-10-2020 12:06PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

It's going to be an ongoing battle so

What's going on in your place?

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 27-10-2020 12:07PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What's going on in your place?

Principal more concerned with the cold and many staff teaching full lessons with windows and doors closed

Edit: I presume that Claire Byrne segment will get posted online?

Darwin · 27-10-2020 12:35PM

Vestiapx wrote: »

Link no worky

https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/2020/10/23/school-hand-sanitiser-concerns-raised-in-local-mans-letter-to-minister-in-august/

irishblessing · 27-10-2020 12:56PM

Came across this article on social media, almost didn't post since I usually maintain a personal policy against reading from the DM -

In mid-October, more than 40% of schools in Bury, Knowsley, Liverpool and Manchester had confirmed cases.

Meanwhile, 710 of teachers had a positive test on October 16 - which was 35% of the total of confirmed cases among teachers across England on that day.

Article comments speak to the s.show that the constant quarantines and class closures cause on the parents/family as well. It seems they face fines if they take children out of school according to one comment. But because they keep having to quarantine and from work as well and therefore losing pay frequently, it would be more cost effective to keep children home and pay the fine than to keep missing work due to all the quarantines. What a mess.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8883319/Northern-schools-disrupted-Covid.html

mvl · 27-10-2020 03:41PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Have cross ventilation and wear layers.

Oh, yeah, you'd wish government is keen to invest in ventilation upgrade for our schools, if they want to keep schools open.

But quoting from this article
https://www.thesun.ie/news/6067348/irish-device-kills-covid-air-end-lockdown/
"“Businesses were all very excited. But we reached out to Government, zero interest." ... “The lack of creative thinking in Government is nearly as big a threat as Coronavirus."

deiseindublin · 27-10-2020 03:49PM

You'd wonder where ventilation/open windows stands coming into Winter with minimum temperatures allowed in schools? You're supposed to let management know if temp is below 17.2 and they fix it, find a suitable alternative or send the kids home.

(Edited to add that TUI say 17.2 C, but INTO and ASTI say 16C, never knew they were different).

Icyseanfitz · 27-10-2020 04:09PM

Our school have the heating on and windows closed already

deiseindublin · 27-10-2020 04:51PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Our school have the heating on and windows closed already

Talk to your LWR.

irishblessing · 27-10-2020 05:00PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Our school have the heating on and windows closed already

I think we've made the decision to hold our kids out at least another week if there's no announcement extending the break.We live in the worst county for covid rate, so it's not going well here. Just in the last few days I've heard of so many people testing positive, even the builder we've recently had out to the house (outdoor work only thank god) and his two kids.

If the school windows here were to be closed though there is no way in hell mine are going back. So far the school have been sticking to keeping the windows open (after that one earlier hiccup) and requests to layer/bring coats is still the plan as far as I know. If that changes though then they won't be going.

SusanC10 · 27-10-2020 05:35PM

irishblessing wrote: »

I think we've made the decision to hold our kids out at least another week if there's no announcement extending the break.We live in the worst county for covid rate, so it's not going well here. Just in the last few days I've heard of so many people testing positive, even the builder we've recently had out to the house (outdoor work only thank god) and his two kids.

If the school windows here were to be closed though there is no way in hell mine are going back. So far the school have been sticking to keeping the windows open (after that one earlier hiccup) and requests to layer/bring coats is still the plan as far as I know. If that changes though then they won't be going.

We are going to wait until this weekend and make a decision then. Neither school has cases yet - that we know of!
We had always said Level 5 but we are going to give it a couple of more days.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 27-10-2020 05:40PM

deiseindublin wrote: »

Talk to your LWR.

Our LWR in management's pocket

wirelessdude01 · 27-10-2020 05:42PM

deiseindublin wrote: »

Talk to your LWR.

Alof of schools, the VP or Principal are the LWR.

JP100 · 27-10-2020 05:52PM

Expect to see the schools being closed to start slowly feeding in to the case numbers over the course of the next week or so.

27-10-2020 06:03PM

JP100 wrote: »

Expect to see the schools being closed to start slowly feeding in to the case numbers over the course of the next week or so.

Great to see the effect closing schools a week early has already had. I am presuming they must have? There can be no other explanation?

BonsaiKitten · 27-10-2020 06:09PM

deiseindublin wrote: »

You'd wonder where ventilation/open windows stands coming into Winter with minimum temperatures allowed in schools? You're supposed to let management know if temp is below 17.2 and they fix it, find a suitable alternative or send the kids home.

(Edited to add that TUI say 17.2 C, but INTO and ASTI say 16C, never knew they were different).

Yeah I've been wondering that one too. Think our LWR emailed Norma Foley about it. No reply yet (insert surprised look here) but her team might come back on it, who knows.

irishblessing · 27-10-2020 06:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Great to see the effect closing schools a week early has already had. I am presuming they must have? There can be no other explanation?

Are you joking? Schools didn't close early, last Friday was always the midterm break date.
There is no possible way that the closing of the schools could have had any effect on the numbers. It would take weeks and a longer closure to see that.

Of course there are other explanations. The contract testing and tracing system collapsed. More than 10,000 people have fallen through the hole.
The large testing centre at UCD has closed last weekend and the next.
Who is processing all those tests then properly tracing?
The HSE claim it will have no effect but I call bs.

meeeeh · 27-10-2020 06:35PM

I think sarcasm detector might be broken...

Loafing Oaf · 27-10-2020 06:36PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Are you joking?

He is...

deiseindublin · 27-10-2020 06:41PM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Our LWR in management's pocket

Documentation says that if you don't feel issue has been resolved by LWR, you can contact union independently.

JP100 · 27-10-2020 06:41PM

Well schools being off is great as an individual who may be infectious has not being in a crowded school for the past 4 days. It only takes 4 or 5 days sometimes less from the point of an individual being infected by somebody else and then turning up at a test centre. I expect that to slowly start feeding in to case numbers over the next week or so.

meeeeh · 27-10-2020 06:54PM

I actually believe the infection numbers will probably fall because of school holidays but it will be very hard to tell what's due to holidays and what's due to level 5. Anyway it seems now that level 3 already worked at least up to a point.

MelbourneMan · 27-10-2020 07:01PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Of course there are other explanations. The contract testing and tracing system collapsed. More than 10,000 people have fallen through the hole.
The large testing centre at UCD has closed last weekend and the next.
Who is processing all those tests then properly tracing?
The HSE claim it will have no effect but I call bs.

Hello. Indeed the effect is negligible. Sensationalist headlines, or, the more provocative for the sake of it, journalists, have been looking for some bad news on this one. But anyone following the detail and understanding the real implications knows it has had no negative effect on control of the virus.

Thats me · 27-10-2020 07:08PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

But anyone following the detail and understanding the real implications knows it has had no negative effect on control of the virus.

Ha-ha, where these anyones with their details? You failed to answer where costs from closing schools are going from, now you refer "anyone". Since you are systematically failing to provide facts to support your statements, but unable to stop flooding yourself, you can ask moderator to help you

deliege · 27-10-2020 07:17PM

Heard from friends back in Belgium today. So last week there were talks of closing the schools earlier (midterm break is supposed to start next Monday there) and government said no, no need, we keep schools open as usual. Yesterday they suddenly announced that secondary schools were going to close this Wed (i.e. 3 days before official term). And today many local authorities / BOM have decided to close primary school from today onward, for many of them because between sick kids and sick staff there's no point anymore.

My friends are especially angry as there doesn't seem to be any "plan B" in place (be it distance learning, emergency childcare for front-line workers etc). It all looks just like last spring: pretending everything is going on, before closing in a panic over a matter of hours.

I know Belgian numbers are horrendous at the moment (not only cases but hospital situation too). But bear in mind that number wise (per head), Belgium is only 20 days ahead of Ireland. Let's hope Level 5 really substantially and durably changes the trend. And that schools have alternative plans on file...

SusanC10 · 27-10-2020 07:24PM

deliege wrote: »

Heard from friends back in Belgium today. So last week there were talks of closing the schools earlier (midterm break is supposed to start next Monday there) and government said no, no need, we keep schools open as usual. Yesterday they suddenly announced that secondary schools were going to close this Wed (i.e. 3 days before official term). And today many local authorities / BOM have decided to close primary school from today onward, for many of them because between sick kids and sick staff there's no point anymore.

My friends are especially angry as there doesn't seem to be any "plan B" in place (be it distance learning, emergency childcare for front-line workers etc). It all looks just like last spring: pretending everything is going on, before closing in a panic over a matter of hours.

I know Belgian numbers are horrendous at the moment (not only cases but hospital situation too). But bear in mind that number wise (per head), Belgium is only 20 days ahead of Ireland. Let's hope Level 5 really substantially and durably changes the trend. And that schools have alternative plans on file...

Was just going to ask about that - are any of the European Countries considering Lockdowns going to include the closing of schools and moving them to remote learning in their plans ?

Loafing Oaf · 27-10-2020 07:28PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I actually believe the infection numbers will probably fall because of school holidays but it will be very hard to tell what's due to holidays and what's due to level 5.

Yes waters muddy enough to keep the schools open if there's any sort of fall in the figures over the next couple of weeks...

irishblessing · 27-10-2020 07:43PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I think sarcasm detector might be broken...

Thank god it's me, ha ha :pac:

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Hello. Indeed the effect is negligible. Sensationalist headlines, or, the more provocative for the sake of it, journalists, have been looking for some bad news on this one. But anyone following the detail and understanding the real implications knows it has had no negative effect on control of the virus.

You can't answer direct questions and you conveniently ignore criticisms. You're not an authority on anything and provide no proof of anything yet you think you've got some kind of special importance or legitimacy here. You don't.

meeeeh · 27-10-2020 07:43PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yes waters muddy enough to keep the schools open if there's any sort of fall in the figures over the next couple of weeks...

Because there is no need to close schools. Numbers are already falling. The point of lockdown is to close as few things as possible and still get the numbers down.

Similarly to the person who compared us to Belgium, we are not even close to the trajectory Belgium (or Czechia) is on. Their numbers are extremely high while ours started falling from approx 1200 per day.

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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