Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

ACitizenErased · 26-10-2020 02:17PM

typo indeed yes got mixed up

440Hertz · 26-10-2020 02:17PM

I could see a scenario where you’ll need to get vaccinated to enter countries next year. The downside is there’ll be anti vaccine conspiracy theorists ranting and raving all over the Internet no matter how safe and effective it is.

If we get to 70% uptake in Ireland I wouldn’t be entirely surprised as you’re looking at currently maybe 20-25% saying they won’t take it, but if you look at say France, that seems highly unlikely to be achieved. Only 1/3 of people would take the vaccine there https://www.euronews.com/2020/10/16/coronavirus-only-around-1-3-of-french-respondents-would-take-covid-19-vaccine-euronews-pol

and, thanks to conspiracy theorists, only 4% of the population is using their tracing app, which is based on the same anonymous data technology we are using.

It’s a country where you’ve mass protests over electricity meters & gas meters and 5G and (insert any topic here).

So unfortunately, I think we may be looking at a very long haul of outbreaks, lockdowns, deaths and most of it will be driven by garbage circulating on the internet.

The US is likely to be similar and so are several other counties that are neck deep in conspiracy theories.

If it keeps going that way, a lot of places are looking at long term, avoidable tragedy and probably the economic collapse, as this isn’t a viable way to live in the medium term, never mind the long term.

mohawk · 26-10-2020 02:19PM

leanin2019 wrote: »

I tend to agree (individual cases and transmission are hard to track outside the household etc) but any reduction in numbers wouldn't show up till after the mid term is finish

Am I wrong to say that cases rose rapidly around the same time as when schools and also wet pubs opened nationwide?

Wet pubs never opened in Dublin. They were opened for about two three weeks elsewhere towards end of September. The increase in cases had already started before schools went back.
Schools could of exasperated the rise in cases but they didn’t cause it.

Strumms · 26-10-2020 02:26PM

At the end of the day, whichever manufacturer comes to the government here, says “hey we have a vaccine, want it ?” It will be months before anybody is Qing up to receive it. The HPRA (Health products regulatory authority), formally the Irish Medicines Board, will have to test, trial, distribute and license the manufacture of said vaccine.

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 02:28PM

Strumms wrote: »

At the end of the day, whichever manufacturer comes to the government here, says “hey we have a vaccine, want it ?” It will be months before anybody is Qing up to receive it. The HPRA (Health products regulatory authority), formally the Irish Medicines Board, will have to test, trial, distribute and license the manufacture of said vaccine.

Nope not accurate. EMA are the ones to approve this on a European scale, Ireland is signed up to the EU vaccination programme for COVID.

The hey we've a vaccine part is already done and rolling reviews already underway.

Once approved by EMA its pretty straightforward, countries start to get their deliveries from the EU stock from whatever supplier is approved be it AstraZeneca or Pfizer.

Irish government is already signed into the contract with AstraZeneca/Oxford for example through the EU vaccination programme.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 26-10-2020 02:29PM

Strumms wrote: »

At the end of the day, whichever manufacturer comes to the government here, says “hey we have a vaccine, want it ?” It will be months before anybody is Qing up to receive it. The HPRA (Health products regulatory authority), formally the Irish Medicines Board, will have to test, trial, distribute and license the manufacture of said vaccine.

It's done on a European basis surely.

26-10-2020 02:31PM

I don’t get this vaccine story. Am I missing something? No other country (other than the US - which we know to be Trump’s BS) is talking about a vaccine in 2 weeks. The UK saying early 2021 (limited to selected front line workers)

What do we know that literally no one else in the world does?

Goldrickssan · 26-10-2020 02:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t get this vaccine story. Am I missing something? No other country (other than the US - which we know to be Trump’s BS) is talking about a vaccine in 2 weeks. The UK saying early 2021.

What do we know that literally no one else in the world does?

Irish teachers and Abu Dhabi have already been offered a vaccine

It's already available just not under western controls and regulations yet. But by the sounds of it they aren't far off.

mloc123 · 26-10-2020 02:34PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Irish teachers and Abu Dhabi have already been offered a vaccine

It's already available just not under western controls and regulations yet. But by the sounds of it they aren't far off.

Which company?

26-10-2020 02:35PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Irish teachers and Abu Dhabi have already been offered a vaccine

It's already available just not under western controls and regulations yet. But by the sounds of it they aren't far off.

I just don’t get why no one else is reporting this. It surely is a big deal. Something doesn’t smell right to me

Been listening to UK radio this morning and there have been virologists on, and no talk about it

Goldrickssan · 26-10-2020 02:35PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Which company?

The Chinese ones we don't hear about

Goldrickssan · 26-10-2020 02:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I just don’t get why no one else is reporting this. It surely is a big deal. Something doesn’t smell right to me

Because it's from China

From: "Wuhan Institute of Biological Products" - don't think I'd be taking that one myself.

mohawk · 26-10-2020 02:41PM

Strumms wrote: »

I was talking to a friend of mine, she’s a carer. She has three clients, receiving calls / visits twice per day. Morning and evening. Clients 1 & 2 because of covid cancelled the calls, said family members living nearby would come in and do the cleaning, cooking as they didn’t work... client 3, a guy in his late 80’s who was driving up to last year, in good shape but has slowed up a little was called but still wants his carer.... there apparently is fûck all wrong with him apart from being an older gentleman who has slowed up and wouldn’t be very domesticated and his wife died last year.

Anyway, Lisa calls to his place, the fûcker is sat on his wall with two similarly older neighbors yapping, she confronts him after they’ve gone, he laughs ‘sure we all have to die of something’... ‘I’d love a cup of tea’... sits down before she leaves, a serious chat, about her being a healthcare worker, living with an asthmatic, calls the job to tell them to log it, they do, manager phones him, he apologized and commits to being responsible.... she calls two days later, the guy has another neighbor IN his kitchen... all she wants to fûcking do is help the guy, cook for him, clean, do washing, she allows him to call her on her personal mobile before she gets to him to take a shop order that she stops off to get on her own time before getting there etc... so WELL over and above yet the fûcker can’t even sit tight and act responsibly.

He is an elderly man who lives alone. What do you expect for him to do lock the doors and be afraid. A few of our elderly neighbours this time are not sticking to the no household visitors this time as they felt so lonely the last time. My own grandparents in their 80’s are still calling me to make sure I still call over to them. Loneliness is a terrible thing and some older people are more afraid of loneliness then the virus.
Calling him a fûcker who can’t sit tight and be responsible is very harsh and disrespectful.Is there more precautions she can take when in the house? Such as the type of mask she uses.

26-10-2020 02:48PM

mohawk wrote: »

He is an elderly man who lives alone. What do you expect for him to do lock the doors and be afraid. A few of our elderly neighbours this time are not sticking to the no household visitors this time as they felt so lonely the last time. My own grandparents in their 80’s are still calling me to make sure I still call over to them. Loneliness is a terrible thing and some older people are more afraid of loneliness then the virus.
Calling him a fûcker who can’t sit tight and be responsible is very harsh and disrespectful.Is there more precautions she can take when in the house? Such as the type of mask she uses.

Complete agree. I think that Strumms’ post is completely ignorant to the reality of life for many. I’ve an elderly bachelor farmer uncle who is calling over to 2 or 3 friends on a regular basis, and who call over to him. I don’t criticise him that for one second. None of them have family come inside their homes (even if they have family nearby at all) and he feels that loneliness is absolutely worse than the virus.

It’s like a little support bubble and perfectly reasonable behaviour

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 02:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t get this vaccine story. Am I missing something? No other country (other than the US - which we know to be Trump’s BS) is talking about a vaccine in 2 weeks. The UK saying early 2021 (limited to selected front line workers)

What do we know that literally no one else in the world does?

The UK had a world beating test and trace system instead of one that just worked.

Every country has to G up the troops. Better to be optimistic then suffer an unforeseen delay than to be straight with people.

Now I don't follow the vaccine thread so maybe it's job done home for tea and presents by Christmas but I wouldn't count on it.

Call me old fashioned but I'll believe it when I see it.

niallo27 · 26-10-2020 02:52PM

mohawk wrote: »

He is an elderly man who lives alone. What do you expect for him to do lock the doors and be afraid. A few of our elderly neighbours this time are not sticking to the no household visitors this time as they felt so lonely the last time. My own grandparents in their 80’s are still calling me to make sure I still call over to them. Loneliness is a terrible thing and some older people are more afraid of loneliness then the virus.
Calling him a fûcker who can’t sit tight and be responsible is very harsh and disrespectful.Is there more precautions she can take when in the house? Such as the type of mask she uses.

That post you quoted completely emphasises how out of touch some people are with the real world and how important social interaction is to a large portion of people

s1ippy · 26-10-2020 02:55PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Anyone using the word 'brigade' here should get an instant ban imo.
What do you think Beasty?

I think the fire brigade and historians who are specialist in the Charge of the Light Brigade would be very unhappy about this development.

We can't ban "merchant" or "monger" either, because purveyors of maritime fare would be put out. This virus is truly all-encompassing.

Happydays2020 · 26-10-2020 02:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don’t get this vaccine story. Am I missing something? No other country (other than the US - which we know to be Trump’s BS) is talking about a vaccine in 2 weeks. The UK saying early 2021 (limited to selected front line workers)

What do we know that literally no one else in the world does?

U.K. is of the view that front line and vulnerable people could get it before year end.

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 02:58PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I think the fire brigade and historians who are specialist in the Charge of the Light Brigade would be very unhappy about this development.

We can't ban "merchant" or "monger" either, because purveyors of maritime fare would be put out. This virus is truly all-encompassing.

She would not be happy.

Qiaonasen · 26-10-2020 02:58PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

The Chinese ones we don't hear about

The Chinese vaccine being rolled out in the UAE hasn't passed phase 3 trials yet. That is why we don't hear about it yet.

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 02:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don’t get this vaccine story. Am I missing something? No other country (other than the US - which we know to be Trump’s BS) is talking about a vaccine in 2 weeks. The UK saying early 2021 (limited to selected front line workers)

What do we know that literally no one else in the world does?

Not sure what you mean by what do we know that nobody else in the world does.

Manufacturers release data and are the ones giving the timelines here.

They're essentially telling countries to get their house in order for distribution with advance warning of we expect this to be approved shortly after that its up to you to implement the programmes.

The UK are telling the various NHS trusts to get their plans in place that they might be needed pre Christmas if not shortly after to begin with frontline and the vulnerable. That's due to the indications they're getting from AstraZeneca/Oxford

Ten of Swords · 26-10-2020 03:03PM

This is not the thread for discussing the cervical check scandal, it is off topic and there have been mod warnings about this in the past

Stheno · 26-10-2020 03:07PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/almost-20-of-staff-at-dublin-hospital-have-antibody-evidence-of-covid-19-infection-1.4391508?mode=amp

18% of staff in Tallaght hospital who took part in an antibody test study tested positive for Covid-19 but only 12% of staff ever tested positive

By my maths thats 1/3 of cases in Healthcare workers being missed

1200 people took part in the study

johndanielmoore · 26-10-2020 03:09PM

leanin2019 wrote: »

"Silent majority" backs lockdown - Business Post

A "silent majority" of the population backs strict level 5 restrictions and the use of fines to stop the spread of the COVID-19 virus, the latest Business Post/Red C poll shows.

Some 66 percent of people support the move to lock down the country, with just 18 percent opposed. An equal number backs the use of fines...

Anybody that takes opinion polls seriously should watch the following clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

ShooterSF · 26-10-2020 03:10PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I see there is much joy in your life!

I have plenty of joy ha. Spent the first lockdown after my college year finished reading books, playing video and board games I had bought but never got near. Dark Souls The boardgame will eat an entire day on you and Imbibe is a wonderful book about cocktails that is almost as good as being able to prop up a counter and order one (not really but still a great read). Even tried to learn to develop a game for the Atari 2600 a console I played as a kid. Maybe I'll go back to that over xmas. Picked up the guitar and learnt a little. Would I have liked to go on a few more seshs than I got to? Sure. Would I have liked to get to meet up with friends to play more games in person. Absolutely. Am I going to cry about my rights being infringed that I can't buy some chocolate in the middle of a global pandemic because we're being asked to stay inside unless it is essential? No. Do I think retailers should follow the rules the same as the average Joe? Absolutely.

caveat emptor · 26-10-2020 03:11PM

Stheno wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/almost-20-of-staff-at-dublin-hospital-have-antibody-evidence-of-covid-19-infection-1.4391508?mode=amp

18% of staff in Tallaght hospital who took part in an antibody test study tested positive for Covid-19 but only 12% of staff ever tested positive

By my maths thats 1/3 of cases in Healthcare workers being missed

1200 people took part in the study

That's interesting thanks. How many waves will we need before they reach population immunity?

Antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 were detected in 18% of participants overall. For staff with roles involving more direct patient contact the rate was 20% and for those with less direct patient the rate was 13%. Before this study, 12% of participants had been diagnosed with COVID-19 at some point, based on a positive swab result. When the group who had known previous infection was excluded, the seroprevalence among those never confirmed to have infection was 7.5%. However over half of this group suspected they had infection at some point.

TUH link: https://www.tuh.ie/News/TUH-Release-Results-on-Healthcare-Worker-COVID-19-Antibodies-Study.html

normanoffside · 26-10-2020 03:14PM

Stheno wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/almost-20-of-staff-at-dublin-hospital-have-antibody-evidence-of-covid-19-infection-1.4391508?mode=amp

18% of staff in Tallaght hospital who took part in an antibody test study tested positive for Covid-19 but only 12% of staff ever tested positive

By my maths thats 1/3 of cases in Healthcare workers being missed

1200 people took part in the study

T Cell immunity in asymptomatic infections and the fact that Antibodies wain even in those that got sick would mean that they missed more than 1/3rd

Lillyfae · 26-10-2020 03:16PM

niallo27 wrote: »

That post you quoted completely emphasises how out of touch some people are with the real world and how important social interaction is to a large portion of people

You would think that, but this is the reality as a health worker:

Stheno wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/almost-20-of-staff-at-dublin-hospital-have-antibody-evidence-of-covid-19-infection-1.4391508?mode=amp

18% of staff in Tallaght hospital who took part in an antibody test study tested positive for Covid-19 but only 12% of staff ever tested positive

By my maths thats 1/3 of cases in Healthcare workers being missed

1200 people took part in the study

I understand that people are bored and lonely, and that’s awful, but health workers are at a massive risk. Someone being lonely doesn’t trump that risk

Santy2015 · 26-10-2020 03:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Damn. She was being quite conservative with timelines, this is very promising.

Professor Hill is a he and is a Dub!! Great news. I’ll be in the queue

Stheno · 26-10-2020 03:17PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

That's interesting thanks. How many waves will we need before they reach population immunity?

No idea. That study is likely not relevant in terms of the general population as I would think healthcare workers have a much greater risk of exposure than most

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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