Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 12:06PM

Benimar wrote: »

Micheal said in the press conference announcing Level 5 that the move would be back to Level 3.

Wonder who is the ‘Government source’. Probably doesn’t take much figuring out tbh.

There are quite a few of them who are not keen on this, across both parties. It could also be filtering through from public and private advisors. At the moment it looks like a kite but one they really hope will come good because Level 3 is of no great use for movement.

KrustyUCC · 26-10-2020 12:11PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Level 2 according to "government sources" this morning.

Looks like it'll be solely a government decsion

I'll believe that when I see it but I hope I'm wrong

Can only imagine the media if NPHET don't recommend level 2

NPHET are far too risk adverse to go from level 5 to 2

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 12:11PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

do I detect some cynicism in your post? how likely do you reckon jumping to L2 when we seen what happened with pubs through July and August?

For a 2-3 week period at Christmas, when L5 can be reapplied in the New Year they would gamble on it. They'll reason 2-3 weeks is not going to cause a huge surge especially if people are likely to be in the same social groups and not moving too much.

Loafing Oaf · 26-10-2020 12:11PM

is_that_so wrote: »

There are quite a few of them who are not keen on this, across both parties. It could also be filtering through from public and private advisors. At the moment it looks like a kite but one they really hope will come good because Level 3 is of no great use for movement.

No, for a lot of the things that people really care about like religious services and indoor restaurants, level 3 is little different from level 5.

Strumms · 26-10-2020 12:13PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I'd say the hospitals would fill up quicker than ever if alcohol was banned with people from every walk of life suffering from withdrawals. There's plenty of highly functional alcoholics in our country but that's all dependent on them still getting to the supp.

Precisely. That’s why I’m against banning it. Pubs closed for sure. But zero wrong with say a stressed nurse or healthcare worker after a 12 hour shift, popping into the supermarket and grabbing food for the weekend plus a bottle of wine and or some beers. Or anybody for that matter, who just wants to chill with a glass or two of something.

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 12:13PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I'll believe that when I see it but I hope I'm wrong

Can only imagine the media if NPHET don't recommend level 2

NPHET are far too risk adverse to go from level 5 to 2

NPHET will first have to convince people they are open to Level 3 on Dec 1 and not simply focused on data.

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 12:13PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

do I detect some cynicism in your post? how likely do you reckon jumping to L2 when we seen what happened with pubs through July and August?

No cynicism, simply saying government sources.

Level 2 was also previsouly mentioned when level 5 was being brought in, level 3 for December then level 2 the week of Christmas.

Will it happen who knows, we certainly don't anyway. We just have to see how things are in a few weeks. I wouldn't be making any calls today as to what happens on 1st December or any later in December.

When we see what happened with pubs? Was in a few of them myself and nothing happened, all abiding by the rules, presume your referring to Berlin D2 but thats for another thread, namely the pub thread. Wouldn’t be tarring them all with the same brush. Would have no issue myself if they opened again, didn't feel unsafe anywhere I went to.

KrustyUCC · 26-10-2020 12:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

For a 2-3 week period at Christmas, when L5 can be reapplied in the New Year they would gamble on it. They'll reason 2-3 weeks is not going to cause a huge surge especially if people are likely to be in the same social groups and not moving too much.

Yeah thats true

I think they'll go level three from 1st - 15th

Then level 2 up to new year

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 12:16PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I'll believe that when I see it but I hope I'm wrong

Can only imagine the media if NPHET don't recommend level 2

NPHET are far too risk adverse to go from level 5 to 2

Yup likewise wouldn't be reading much into it.

We all know what government think of NPHET at this stage, wouldn't shock me if government rejected their recommendations again but we just have to wait and see really.

GazzaL · 26-10-2020 12:20PM

Strumms wrote: »

Precisely. That’s why I’m against banning it. Pubs closed for sure. But zero wrong with say a stressed nurse or healthcare worker after a 12 hour shift, popping into the supermarket and grabbing food for the weekend plus a bottle of wine and or some beers. Or anybody for that matter, who just wants to chill with a glass or two of something.

Alcohol - essential.
Takeaways - essential.
Clothes - non-essential.

What a country.

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 12:21PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

No, for a lot of the things that people really care about like religious services and indoor restaurants, level 3 is little different from level 5.

Its really not. Level 3 doesn't see religious services have any change from how they are now. You could go into a church yourself but everything else stays online apart from a funeral or a wedding, no change from how they are in L5.

L3 also doesn't see any indoor dining.

It essentially reopens retail

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/ad569-level-3/#religious-services

JP100 · 26-10-2020 12:21PM

leanin2019 wrote: »

Would take at least a week for that to show any benefits.

What about the mad rush at non essential retail in the few days leading up to Level 5 closures last week? Will this have an effect?

Read somewhere that some labs wouldn't be able to process tests this weekend. Might have an impact on daily case numbers.

Would it better to release numbers weekly rather than daily?

I firmly believe and despite the HSE massaging numbers in relation to schools, there's more cases and transmissions happening from schools than from people do their shopping.

mandrake04 · 26-10-2020 12:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No cynicism, simply saying government sources.

Level 2 was also previsouly mentioned when level 5 was being brought in, level 3 for December then level 2 the week of Christmas.

Will it happen who knows, we certainly don't anyway. We just have to see how things are in a few weeks. I wouldn't be making any calls today as to what happens on 1st December or any later in December.

When we see what happened with pubs? Was in a few of them myself and nothing happened, all abiding by the rules, presume your referring to Berlin D2 but thats for another thread, namely the pub thread. Wouldn’t be tarring them all with the same brush. Would have no issue myself if they opened again, didn't feel unsafe anywhere I went to.

I never mentioned behavior, I meant that some pubs never actually reopened as the reopening kept being delayed.

polesheep · 26-10-2020 12:23PM

Necro wrote: »

No what that survey says is outside the screaming on social media most people understand why these decisions are being made.

This is a fact some seem to fail to grasp that social media does not reflect normal life in any way shape or form - most people don't give a damn about the circular arguments or wailing of the few.

But yeah, let's insult a sizeable majority of citizens in the country, that's the way to make them consider your opinion as valid :rolleyes:

The bit in bold is absolutely true, but it's also true to say that polls are also a poor reflection on the public view. There is a poster on this site who stated that he is on a list and is polled several times per week.

stephenjmcd · 26-10-2020 12:23PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

I never mentioned behavior, I meant that some pubs never actually reopened as the reopening kept being delayed.

Well that was just a joke to be honest. Allowing them to get stock in and then continually pushing it out. No wonder publicans would be sceptical of anything government say.

26-10-2020 12:25PM

pjohnson wrote: »

The people who spout soundbites about "covid lovers" "misery merchants" "doom/scare mongers" etc. are often the very ones who want to keep doing the very behaviour that causes it to be prolonged.

Can you stop spouting this crap? Behaviour isn't prolonging this. This will last until and possibly after a vaccine regardless of behaviour. Stop clinging to the idea that if everyone was like you it would all be okay, it just wouldn't.

polesheep · 26-10-2020 12:27PM

petes wrote: »

No, they wouldn't. If there are any that would they have obviously something wrong in their thinking and probably need some help.

There is a reason why bad news sells and armageddon movies are so popular. We have been conditioned to seek out bad news.

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 12:28PM

polesheep wrote: »

There is a reason why bad news sells and armageddon movies are so popular. We have been conditioned to seek out bad news.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20140728-why-is-all-the-news-bad

JP100 · 26-10-2020 12:28PM

is_that_so wrote: »

For a 2-3 week period at Christmas, when L5 can be reapplied in the New Year they would gamble on it. They'll reason 2-3 weeks is not going to cause a huge surge especially if people are likely to be in the same social groups and not moving too much.

Will we be back at a high level again for Paddy's Day? Given the kind of day that's in it will the government feel compelled to have a strict lockdown again around Paddy's Day?!

gipi · 26-10-2020 12:29PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

I never mentioned behavior, I meant that some pubs never actually reopened as the reopening kept being delayed.

My local has already decided that it won't open until next year, regardless of what level we might go to in December. The owner has said she won't risk ordering stock again only to find she can't open. She closed when we moved to L3 (too little outdoor space)

amadangomor · 26-10-2020 12:30PM

AdamD wrote: »

Can you stop spouting this crap? Behaviour isn't prolonging this. This will last until and possibly after a vaccine regardless of behaviour. Stop clinging to the idea that if everyone was like you it would all be okay, it just wouldn't.

Of course behaviour is prolonging this.

There are scientifically proven ways to mitigate viruses spreading and behaviour ignoring these will prolong restrictions.

The anti mask, anti sensible precaution brigade are the ones that will prolong this.

leanin2019 · 26-10-2020 12:31PM

JP100 wrote: »

I firmly believe and despite the HSE massaging numbers in relation to schools, there's more cases and transmissions happening from schools than from people do their shopping.

I tend to agree (individual cases and transmission are hard to track outside the household etc) but any reduction in numbers wouldn't show up till after the mid term is finish

Am I wrong to say that cases rose rapidly around the same time as when schools and also wet pubs opened nationwide?

Strumms · 26-10-2020 12:32PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

See my other post, some of us are unaffected financially but are sick of the lunacy.

I wouldn’t be too impacted financially.

The only lunacy I see is people wishing to ‘open up’ everything.

What happens to the health services, more importantly the people ‘of’ the health services when they become overwhelmed. Or I’ll, their families too.

I’d tell you what I’m doing if I’m a doctor in the mater or wherever... if I feel I’m not being backed up, be it by the public and or politicians... I’m at 12 hours out of a 12 hour shift... out of there, home to my family, nice dinner, bottle of wine, fûck them...

Here is an article re: hours being done by medical staff..

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/doctors-working-24-hour-shifts-during-covid-19-1012197.html

And WE can’t do our little bit, by adhering to restrictions, by keeping non essential businesses closed for a while longer ? Land of saints and scholars, right, covid has sure blown that one out of the water or although for many of us it didn’t exactly need to be... the evidence post Celtic Tiger ‘boom’ was certainly there for us to see.... ‘fûck everyone I’ll get mine’..... no greater evidence of that then covid times.

Hector Savage · 26-10-2020 12:32PM

amadangomor · 26-10-2020 12:33PM

polesheep wrote: »

There is a reason why bad news sells and armageddon movies are so popular. We have been conditioned to seek out bad news.

Makes sense as a survival strategy in simpler times.

Ugg hearing from his neighbours that a group of Sabre Toothed Cats have taken over near the river would be wise to find an alternative place to get his water.

Field east · 26-10-2020 12:33PM

GT89 wrote: »

Maybe his house caught fire and hence all his clothes were burned.

And nobody came to offer any kind of help, be it food clothes accommodation transport. When did we lose this kind Neighbour thing, the nation with one of the highest level of volunteering / helping our neighbour , etc etc. maybe it’s a family of a single parent, having no relatives and living on an island as sole occupants.!!!!!!

is_that_so · 26-10-2020 12:34PM

JP100 wrote: »

Will we be back.in a lockdown for Paddy's Day. Giving the kind of day that's in it will the government feel compelled to have a strict lockdown again?!

TBH I don't think we can guess at that until we see what NPHET does over this 6 weeks. Whenever we come out of it we'll have indicators as to what is considered Level 3. The government definitely don't want any more of these and IMO will hold firm against any data that is not looking like crippling the health system.

pjohnson · 26-10-2020 12:34PM

AdamD wrote: »

Can you stop spouting this crap? Behaviour isn't prolonging this. This will last until and possibly after a vaccine regardless of behaviour. Stop clinging to the idea that if everyone was like you it would all be okay, it just wouldn't.

Interesting. So do you think people refusing to isolate while waiting for the test results/just refusing to even get tested has no impact on the spread of the virus?

GeorgeBailey · 26-10-2020 12:37PM

My guess is that we'll get Level 3 Lite. So probably allowed travel between counties and maybe 3 households can gather but still restrictions on pubs and restaurants.

iamwhoiam · 26-10-2020 12:39PM

So Dunnes in Kilnamanagh have had to close the clothes shop part
Wine and beer are deemed essential but not a warm hat for a baby or a pair of shoes for a child ?

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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