General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

gimli2112 · 25-10-2020 09:59AM

i'm ridicuolously drunk for this hour of the morning but the lads creaming themselves when Sheffield were one up against the worl champions, normally I wouldn't notice but now yer in my focus

TitianGerm · 25-10-2020 09:59AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Why would Mourinho wanting Fernandes 18 months before have any bearing on Ole actually buying him and getting a tune out of him? What even is that argument?

I have no idea why you're bringing up Woodward here. I have made no statements about him so you seem to be attributing other people's opinions on him to me. Again weird.

And finally, there are many sticks to beat Ole with. Buying players and them improving the team is not one of them. Any sort of insinuation that he should be thankful that a player he scouted, bought and slotted into the team turned out to be good is absolutely ridiculous and if you take a step back you can see that.

I'm personally on the fence about Ole. He has a good eye for a player, has a decent hit rating in the transfer market, and has gotten a tune out of a lot of players that looked like duds under Jose. But he also objectively isn't as good tactically as the top managers which will likely be his undoing.

But balanced discussion just isn't on the menu when it comes to him for whatever reason. Its all broad statements like "bluffer" and laughable back handed compliments about a player he bought, you know, playing well! The audacity. Such luck!

You said Ole identified Fernandez. He was a target for United before Ole had the job.

You gave Ole the credit for the fee paid for Fernandez. He doesn't negotiate fees. I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of your statement. You can't give him credit when it worked out but absolve him of blame when the player doesn't work out for the fee paid.

Signed AWB for £50m. He can defend but is pretty hopeless going forward. Decent signing but not lit the place on fire.

Maguire. Overpaid and he's underperformed. Was a target before Ole joined.

Telles - to new to say.

Fernandez - good value for the money paid. Has performaned well and probably the best signing made by United in the last 5 years.

Igahlo - what was the point extending his deal?

James - great at running fast and throwing himself to the ground. Not up to much else.

Cavani - to new to say. Falco or Ibra? We'll see.

So of all his signings there which show he has a good eye for a player or a good hit rate?

Quazzie · 25-10-2020 10:02AM

Does Ole have a say on who is brought in at all, or is he just handed players and told to coach them?

It's entirely plausible that he had nothing to do with anyone that was brought in at all, especially since it looks like fernandez was on United radar long before Ole turned up.

Turtyturd · 25-10-2020 10:02AM

If Solksjaer has a good eye for a player he should probably start using it. Mixed would probably be a nice way of describing his signings.

Mr.Crinklewood · 25-10-2020 10:03AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

i'm ridicuolously drunk for this hour of the morning but the lads creaming themselves when Sheffield were one up against the worl champions, normally I wouldn't notice but now yer in my focus

Thought the tread was clean last night, hopefully they've been deleted....or I'm just missing them.

TitianGerm · 25-10-2020 10:05AM

Quazzie wrote: »

Does Ole have a say on who is brought in at all, or is he just handed players and told to coach them?

It's entirely plausible that he had nothing to do with anyone that was brought in at all, especially since it looks like fernandez was on United radar long before Ole turned up.

Looking at what's happened with Igahlo previously and now VDB (although early for him) I'd say he's been given the players.

Fernandez and Maguire were targets linked in previous seasons. Giggs recommended James. Not sure with AWB but he'd a great season the year before so was a popular name last summer.

PhlegmyMoses · 25-10-2020 10:06AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

You said Ole identified Fernandez. He was a target for United before Ole had the job.

You gave Ole the credit for the fee paid for Fernandez. He doesn't negotiate fees. I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of your statement. You can't give him credit when it worked out but absolve him of blame when the player doesn't work out for the fee paid.

Signed AWB for £50m. He can defend but is pretty hopeless going forward. Decent signing but not lit the place on fire.

Maguire. Overpaid and he's underperformed. Was a target before Ole joined.

Telles - to new to say.

Fernandez - good value for the money paid. Has performaned well and probably the best signing made by United in the last 5 years.

Igahlo - what was the point extending his deal?

James - great at running fast and throwing himself to the ground. Not up to much else.

Cavani - to new to say. Falco or Ibra? We'll see.

So of all his signings there which show he has a good eye for a player?

Your assessments of those players are wonderfully negative as expected. I could say that AWB is one of the best fullback in the league and that your "can defend" dismissal of one of the best defenders in the league is incredibly harsh. Maguire shored up Uniteds defence to the point that they hadone of the best defensive records in the league and conceded only 3 more than Liverpool last year. Not worth 80m, but who cares about balance, context or nuance in this discussion? We arent going to have a balanced discussion are we?

Your "Mourinho was the driving force for signing Fernandes despite being sacked 18 months before and buying Fred for 50m in his last window" detour shows where you are at with all of this.

gimli2112 · 25-10-2020 10:07AM

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Thought the tread was clean last night, hopefully they've been deleted....or I'm just missing them.

probably just me being antsy I didn't read it this morning, when I crashed yesterday Liverpool were 0-1 down, when I woke up I saw the result, played modern warfare and became obnoxious

TitianGerm · 25-10-2020 10:11AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Your assessments of those players are wonderfully negative as expected. I could say that AWB is one of the best fullback in the league and that your "can defend" dismissal of one of the best defenders in the league is incredibly harsh. Maguire shored up Uniteds defence to the point that they hadone of the best defensive records in the league and conceded only 3 more than Liverpool last year. Not worth 80m, but who cares about balance, context or nuance in this discussion? We arent going to have a balanced discussion are we?

Your "Mourinho was the driving force for signing Fernandes despite being sacked 18 months before and buying Fred for 50m in his last window" detour shows where you are at with all of this.

I didn't actually say that last line.

I hope to God the United board stick with Ole. It's great news for the likes of Liverpool and City. If some of Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Leicester and Everton can get their houses in order there's a great opportunity to lock down a top four spot. United are moving towards a club battling for a EL place under Ole.

25-10-2020 10:12AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

And finally, there are many sticks to beat Ole with.

Being an utterly useless manager who is so far out of his depth that fans of opposition clubs are laughing is the best one. But I accept there are many more.

PhlegmyMoses · 25-10-2020 10:16AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

I didn't actually say that last line.

I hope to God the United board stick with Ole. It's great news for the likes of Liverpool and City. If some of Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Leicester and Everton can get their houses in order there's a great opportunity to lock down a top four spot. United are moving towards a club battling for a EL place under Ole.

The funny thing is, I probably agree with you. Ole likely is not the guy to take United forward and he is found wanting tactically (particularly against a well drilled, low block) and hasn't been able to overcome this. But he has done many things right (Rashford, Greenwood, Martial Fred, McT Fernandes, AWB) and for the first time since Ferguson he will have left behind a team and squad that is much improved on what he got when he started.

PhlegmyMoses · 25-10-2020 10:16AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Being an utterly useless manager who is so far out of his depth that fans of opposition clubs are laughing is the best one. But I accept there are many more.

Class one man. You got me

Shanotheslayer · 25-10-2020 10:18AM

I think Simone would be excellent at United given their ability to counter attack. Don't think it'll happen any time soon though

TitianGerm · 25-10-2020 10:21AM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

The funny thing is, I probably agree with you. Ole likely is not the guy to take United forward and he is found wanting tactically (particularly against a well drilled, low block) and hasn't been able to overcome this. But he has done many things right (Rashford, Greenwood, Martial Fred, McT Fernandes, AWB) and for the first time since Ferguson he will have left behind a team and squad that is much improved on what he got when he started.

He could have ruined Rashfords career. He kept playing him when he had a back injury and a blind man could see he needed to be taken out of the team. He then rushed him back and put him straight back into the team. That's awful management.

Yes Rashford may have made himself available but a strong manager would have said no. I bet if I looked at the United thread from around that period last season I'd see similar thoughts from United fans.

TitianGerm · 25-10-2020 10:24AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I think Simone would be excellent at United given their ability to counter attack. Don't think it'll happen any time soon though

I definitely wouldn't like to see a top calibre manager go to United. They've a decent squad with some excellent players and should be performing much better than they are. The likes of Simone would cut out all the **** from the bad eggs in the squad and get them pushing up the table again.

I hope they stick with Ole. Best for everyone bar United

marklazarcovic · 25-10-2020 10:25AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I think Simone would be excellent at United given their ability to counter attack. Don't think it'll happen any time soon though

I think he's the most anti football manager at the top level I've ever seen, horrible horrible tactics,be painful to watch weekly..

So your probably spot on there.

PhlegmyMoses · 25-10-2020 10:29AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

He could have ruined Rashfords career. He kept playing him when he had a back injury and a blind man could see he needed to be taken out of the team. He then rushed him back and put him straight back into the team. That's awful management.

Yes Rashford may have made himself available but a strong manager would have said no. I bet if I looked at the United thread from around that period last season I'd see similar thoughts from United fans.

Again, an amazingly harsh and negative reimagining of what happened there. You are really trying so hard to find negatives here that it's blowing my mind. We both know absolutely nothing about what coversations happened behind closed doors and what the medical team thought about Rashford at that time. But if the suggestion here is that the medical team told Solskjaer that Rashford was a huge risk and Ole simply laughed it off and kept playing him then I would need to see some evidence of that.

Back to reality though, and Rashford was halfway out the door and functionally a bit part player who looked lost under Mourinho. Martial the same. Ole has helped to turn their career around and give them back some semblance of confidence.

This is all so weird to me, I'm not even an Ole fanboy and wouldnt bat an eyelid if he was sacked tomorrow, I'm just amazed at some the hot takes.

Mr.Crinklewood · 25-10-2020 10:45AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

probably just me being antsy I didn't read it this morning, when I crashed yesterday Liverpool were 0-1 down, when I woke up I saw the result, played modern warfare and became obnoxious

Probably me bring a bit antsy as well.

Anyway...it's always stupid for opposing fans( of any team ) to get too excited before the match is over....indeed sometimes the match can be over and the result can still change!

Mist get back into COD again

crossman47 · 25-10-2020 10:56AM

Did anyone see comment from Lampard? "Holding is allowed but a headlock isn't!. Where did he get that from? Holding is not allowed even if refs don't punish it.

El Gato De Negocios · 25-10-2020 11:07AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

I hope to God the United board stick with Ole. It's great news for the likes of Liverpool and City. If some of Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, Leicester and Everton can get their houses in order there's a great opportunity to lock down a top four spot. United are moving towards a club battling for a EL place under Ole.

Imo, we are highly unlikely to see a player revolt under Ole because he seems to have the backing of the players and be is not nearly as prickly as someone like Jose. I firmly believe we will not win anything under him and he will ultimately be sacked, probably before this season is out.

Dan James is a perfect example of the mistakes he is repeating. Was poor against Newcastle last weekend and was subbed early, he'd also had a couple of poor showings before that too. What does he do? Start him yesterday. DJ seems like a lovely lad and is super quick but he is not a good footballer.

At this point in time the majority of United fans imo want him gone. There is the bones of a very good team there but we only see the best of them under fits and starts with Ole. I've no doubt that if he had no connection with the club then 99% of fans would want him gone but because he is a legend he is getting infinitely more slack than any other manager would get and that he deserves.

TitianGerm · 25-10-2020 11:11AM

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

Imo, we are highly unlikely to see a player revolt under Ole because he seems to have the backing of the players and be is not nearly as prickly as someone like Jose. I firmly believe we will not win anything under him and he will ultimately be sacked, probably before this season is out.

Dan James is a perfect example of the mistakes he is repeating. Was poor against Newcastle last weekend and was subbed early, he'd also had a couple of poor showings before that too. What does he do? Start him yesterday. DJ seems like a lovely lad and is super quick but he is not a good footballer.

At this point in time the majority of United fans imo want him gone. There is the bones of a very good team there but we only see the best of them under fits and starts with Ole. I've no doubt that if he had no connection with the club then 99% of fans would want him gone but because he is a legend he is getting infinitely more slack than any other manager would get and that he deserves.

If Ole had no connection to the club he wouldn't have got the job in the first place.

Imagine the outcry when it surfaced that the Molde manager was to take over one of the biggest clubs in the world. A man who's only achievement in management was to get Cardiff relegated.

Madness.

Nunu · 25-10-2020 11:23AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

If Ole had no connection to the club he wouldn't have got the job in the first place.

Imagine the outcry when it surfaced that the Molde manager was to take over one of the biggest clubs in the world. A man who's only achievement in management was to get Cardiff relegated.

Madness.

He won two league titles at Molde.

Plenty of ex players of clubs get the top job with little to no experience. It’s not a new thing.

Cookiemunster · 25-10-2020 11:27AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

If Ole had no connection to the club he wouldn't have got the job in the first place.

Imagine the outcry when it surfaced that the Molde manager was to take over one of the biggest clubs in the world. A man who's only achievement in management was to get Cardiff relegated.

Madness.

You do know that he's been a manager for years and won Molde their first ever Norwegian league title right? And then followed that up by retaining the title and winning the cup?

I mean he's not up to being Utd manager, but football exists outside England and to say relegating Cardiff is his only achievement in management is BS.

TitianGerm · 25-10-2020 11:29AM

Nunu wrote: »

He won two league titles at Molde.

I just looked that up and I must admit I didn't realize he managed Molde twice. I had thought he went from the United youth set up to the Cardiff job to Molde.

Shanotheslayer · 25-10-2020 11:31AM

To be fair two league titles in Norway does not equate worthy to any job in the PL nevermind United

Nunu · 25-10-2020 11:31AM

TitianGerm wrote: »

I just looked that up and I must admit I didn't realize he managed Molde twice. I had thought he went from the United youth set up to the Cardiff job to Molde.

A lot of posters don’t realise that to be fair. It’s not the first time I’ve posted about it.

TitianGerm · 25-10-2020 11:32AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

To be fair two league titles in Norway does not equate worthy to any job in the PL

Even I know Molde is in Norway :pac:

Edit: sneaky edit while I was typing!!

Nunu · 25-10-2020 11:32AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

To be fair two league titles in Norway does not equate worthy to any job in the PL

What about two in Norway? 😉

Shanotheslayer · 25-10-2020 11:34AM

No idea what you're talking about lads :pac:

Nunu · 25-10-2020 11:34AM

Ha I didn’t even notice it was edited.

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