Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

prunudo · 25-10-2020 10:21AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

News of Irish anti mask arsehole reported on in India.

https://www.indiatimes.com/amp/trending/wtf/ireland-man-smashes-wine-whiskey-bottles-told-to-wear-a-mask-526006.html

Should really be 'Scumbag arrested for being a scumbag' its nothing to do with mask wearing or covid.

Boggles · 25-10-2020 10:21AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yes it is a game of chess but we are all over the place. Government is losing patience with a politicised NPHET and the crazy inefficiencies in the HSE are once more coming to the fore.

We will have this for the next 12 months to a greater or lesser degree and we need to have far better governance so we have the best mitigation and adaptation strategies. Targeted restrictions, drugs/healthcare, protecting the most vulnerable, and hopefully a workable vaccine.

It's primarily the governance that are failing, HSE were always going to fail because they are not fit for purpose.

Personally I think a couple of ministers need to go.

The top level of the HSE needs to be disbanded and be directed by the department of health.

Icyseanfitz · 25-10-2020 10:23AM

https://extra.ie/2020/10/25/news/irish-news/almost-40-of-schools-have-had-a-positive-covid-19-diagnosis-amid-growing-concern-from-parents

40% of schools have had a positive case.

prunudo · 25-10-2020 10:25AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

https://gov.wales/coronavirus-firebreak-frequently-asked-questions

Seems fairly similar

You're right, going by the news and interviews I thought they were stricter. They don't have distance limits either.

coastwatch · 25-10-2020 10:25AM

Probes wrote: »

Sure, he still is out of breath doing simple things like just getting to the car and has headaches too - but he says he has a wide range of symptoms that are coming and going. Being short of breath is the major one though.

I mean it seems pretty clear that this is a reality, the Covid symptom tracker in the UK has the rate of people suffering with long term symptoms as 1 in 10.

Interesting program on this subject (Long Covid) from BBC Radio4 presenter Adam Rutherford.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000mzms

MarkY91 · 25-10-2020 10:26AM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

One anecdote. I can give you three where people were refused at Argos, Curry's and a local independent store. You'll always have some idiot not sticking to the letter of the rules.

Visited Argos twice this week and my and others weren't getting in the door without a reservation. They even made a guy go away to make own then come back a minute later to show a reservation code lol.

Away With The Fairies · 25-10-2020 10:28AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

News of Irish anti mask arsehole reported on in India.

https://www.indiatimes.com/amp/trending/wtf/ireland-man-smashes-wine-whiskey-bottles-told-to-wear-a-mask-526006.html

I read of the UK are bringing in AI cameras in their shops. It will recognise if you have a mask and won't let you in if you don't. Some Asian countries has them as well. We should as well, it avoids confronting these aggressive arseholes in shops.

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 10:31AM

Boggles wrote: »

It's primarily the governance that are failing.

Personally I think a couple of ministers need to go.

The top level of the HSE needs to be disbanded and be directed by the department of health.

No, NPHET (the best talent in there) needs to be subsumed into Department of the Taoiseach to distance from the operational side of things. This is governance 101. Trust, process and expertise are the key ingredients for good decision making - right now we have perhaps a degree of expertise. The process fell down when advices were not implemented lock stock and barrel, and the trust was lost with the level 2 to level 5 change in advice.

I am not sure I would put my faith in the Department of Health. I would prefer the strong policy decisions on Covid response to come from the top which will better ensure implementation - there is little trust between DPER and Health.

As regards the Ministers you want to go - at least these Ministers were elected.

MerlinSouthDub · 25-10-2020 10:32AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2020/10/25/news/irish-news/almost-40-of-schools-have-had-a-positive-covid-19-diagnosis-amid-growing-concern-from-parents

40% of schools have had a positive case.

According to the article, 900 school children tested positive. Considering there are hundreds of thousands of school children, that's an extraordinarily low rate. Good news, all the data is showing that schools are not causing spread.

Longing · 25-10-2020 10:35AM

I think we need to be below 50 cases a day come December. Level 3 is not going to be adhered too around Christmas especially staying within your own county at a time when you visit family and friends. Its a big ask to drop 200 cases per week but we need to get there and to strive for level 2 not 3.

OscarMIlde · 25-10-2020 10:36AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I picked up a virus in 2018 and has these types of symptoms for about a year. Was very disconcerting and difficult as the symptoms come and go.

Yep, had three years on and off myself following a chest infection. Couldn't work at all, and was dismissed by doctors as a hypochondriac. I had fairly mild asthma before, but it's quite severe now. One thing I will say is that I am now recovered and have no issues with exercise as long as my asthma is under control.

Not sure how covid sufferers will fare if the reports about fibrosis are true however. There is currently no cure for any fibrotic condition, and generally once pro-fibrotic pathways are activated to that extent the build of ECM/collagen continues even if the underlying trigger is removed. There is some debate about whether that is due to transcriptional shifts or whether the existence of fibrotic tissue itself is now an activating trigger as scar tissue negatively effects an organs function.

BringBackMick · 25-10-2020 10:40AM

I think they should extend midterm for another week, it will be a considerable break in the chain of transmission if they do it.

mcburns07 · 25-10-2020 10:41AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

https://gov.wales/coronavirus-firebreak-frequently-asked-questions

Seems fairly similar

And it’s also for two weeks only, not six.

iamwhoiam · 25-10-2020 10:42AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

According to the article, 900 school children tested positive. Considering there are hundreds of thousands of school children, that's an extraordinarily low rate. Good news, all the data is showing that schools are not causing spread.

There are half a million children enrolled in schools in Ireland . So its a very low rate of infection

Widdensushi · 25-10-2020 10:42AM

Longing wrote: »

I think we need to be below 50 cases a day come December. Level 3 is not going to be adhered too around Christmas especially staying within your own county at a time when you visit family and friends. Its a big ask to drop 200 cases per week but we need to get there and to strive for level 2 not 3.

Level 3 is not going to be adhered to so we have to strive for 2? Surely now it appears that level 3 can control this if there is enforcement then we should just aim for level 3 with the gardai given powers to enforce it where necessary. Going beyond that is a waste of money with open borders which there is no possibility of closing. We will have an influx of people from America etc in December as usual. Just get to 3 as soon as possible as try to live with covid as best we can.

Icyseanfitz · 25-10-2020 10:43AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

According to the article, 900 school children tested positive. Considering there are hundreds of thousands of school children, that's an extraordinarily low rate. Good news, all the data is showing that schools are not causing spread.

Considering the contact tracing loopholes/failures in schools you can be garunteed its a lot higher, but lets continue the party line, schools are safe.

MerlinSouthDub · 25-10-2020 10:44AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I think they should extend midterm for another week, it will be a considerable break in the chain of transmission if they do it.

Why on earth would they do that? Every single data point shows schools are not a major driver of transmission

MerlinSouthDub · 25-10-2020 10:46AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Considering the contact tracing loopholes/failures in schools you can be garunteed its a lot higher, but lets continue the party line, schools are safe.

I've pointed many times to the UK ONS data on infection rates by age. A random sample which is unbiased and avoids all the issues you mention. Have you read it yet?

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 10:46AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Level 3 is not going to be adhered to so we have to strive for 2? Surely now it appears that level 3 can control this if there is enforcement then we should just aim for level 3 with the gardai given powers to enforce it where necessary. Going beyond that is a waste of money with open borders which there is no possibility of closing. We will have an influx of people from America etc in December as usual. Just get to 3 as soon as possible as try to live with covid as best we can.

The next 6 weeks are critical for the HSE and the CMO and GOVT Departments and airports/ports to prepare properly.

We need testing facilities in the airports for arrivals - and not something which should be charged for. Happy also to require clean tests before travelling from higher risk destinations.

wirelessdude01 · 25-10-2020 10:47AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

According to the article, 900 school children tested positive. Considering there are hundreds of thousands of school children, that's an extraordinarily low rate. Good news, all the data is showing that schools are not causing spread.

Look at yesterday's Epidemiology Report, it shows 1254 cases in the 5-14 age range and 479 cases in the 0-4 age range for the previous fortnight.

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 10:47AM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I think they should extend midterm for another week, it will be a considerable break in the chain of transmission if they do it.

Once it is combined with no mixing outside the home. Otherwise having groups of teenagers hanging around together for two weeks outside a regulated environment will be worse than school.

MerlinSouthDub · 25-10-2020 10:50AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Look at yesterday's Epidemiology Report, it shows 1254 cases in the 5-24 age range and 479 cases in the 0-4 age range for the previous fortnight.

I didn't say the article was accurate, I was just highlighting that in no way does the article show schools are a major source of transmission. Current infection rates on children are low compared to other age groups.

jackboy · 25-10-2020 10:51AM

Boggles wrote: »

NPHET have repeatedly said the goal is to get the cases down as much as they can before Christmas because they anticipate the reproductive number will at least double.

Have you a plan there yourself chief?

Yeah, don’t have a plan to crash the numbers so they can be let explode at Christmas followed by another hard lockdown to crash them again. That is insane and clearly NPHET and the government have pulled it out of their behinds.

If we just enforced the lower level restrictions there is a great chance they would work.

majcos · 25-10-2020 10:53AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

https://extra.ie/2020/10/25/news/irish-news/almost-40-of-schools-have-had-a-positive-covid-19-diagnosis-amid-growing-concern-from-parents

40% of schools have had a positive case.

The figures in that article, if it is read beyond the headline, provide reassurances that school seems to be a relatively safe environment.

501 positive cases in secondary schools out of over 350,000 secondary school students.

Mass testing in 634 schools of 15,632 showing positivity rate of 1.9% in secondary schools, 2.7% in primary school, with highest positivity rate in childcare facilities of 4.7% but even that is still lower than rate in wider community of 6.6%.

It’s a pity the article uses a sensationalist statistic for the heading which is the only part most people will read.

suicide_circus · 25-10-2020 10:53AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Why on earth would they do that? Every single data point shows schools are not a major driver of transmission

Call it an experiment

MerlinSouthDub · 25-10-2020 10:54AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Call it an experiment

A completely pointless one. How would we strip out the effect of school closures from the impact of level 5? It's not as if kids won't be meeting eachother during the 1 extra week off anyway, rules or no rules

Icyseanfitz · 25-10-2020 10:58AM

majcos wrote: »

The figures in that article,if it is read beyond the headline, provide reassurances that school seems to be a relatively safe environment.

501 positive cases in secondary schools out of over 350,000 secondary school students.

Mass testing in 634 schools of 15,632 showing positivity rate of 1.9% in secondary schools, 2.7% in primary school, with highest positivity rate in childcare facilities of 4.7% but even that is still lower than rate in wider community of 6.6%.

It’s a pity the article uses a sensationalist statistic for the heading which is the only part most people will read.

The fact that 15k out if a million+ is considered mass testing is ridiculous

MerlinSouthDub · 25-10-2020 11:00AM

Hospital numbers down to 295 this morning. They usually increase over the weekend, I think

Icyseanfitz · 25-10-2020 11:00AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

A completely pointless one. How would we strip out the effect of school closures from the impact of level 5? It's not as if kids won't be meeting eachother during the 1 extra week off anyway, rules or no rules

Well thats purely the responsibility of parents to ensure their children are abiding by the rules.

eigrod · 25-10-2020 11:00AM

Hospitalisations down to 295

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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