Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

FintanMcluskey · 25-10-2020 09:27AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Do we currently have the strictest anti covid measures in Europe?

Strictest nationwide measures since June in the EU.

25-10-2020 09:32AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

That woman Catherine Murphy sounds very reasonable and rational to me anyway and she has a point.

But hey this country will never refuse visitors, there are no checks, off you go, while the rest of us are locked down. Sick of the double standards.

The excuse will be the FDI managers from US going back and forth. Have to keep that sector sweet.

The lack of checking travel quarantine is a scandal. But get your heads down everyone else and isolate.

Any us multinationals I am aware of are very strict on international travel

JimToken · 25-10-2020 09:35AM

They may as well have left the hospitality sector open for all the difference it makes

Tracing is pointless as we have decided to allow unregulated transmission through the schools

At this stage level 5 is merely a shock tactic to stamp out social gathering

jackboy · 25-10-2020 09:41AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

I mean Leo and co have said the plan is straight to level 3

Have they? What are the daily infection rates, ICU numbers and deaths for a level three.

When Tony was asked on the Late Late about Christmas he just squirmed on his seat and didn’t answer.

Goldrickssan · 25-10-2020 09:43AM

jackboy wrote: »

Have they? What are the daily infection rates, ICU numbers and deaths for a level three.

When Tony was asked on the Late Late about Christmas he just squirmed on his seat and didn’t answer.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40067942.html

They're pretty much saying level 3 is as good as it will get between now and Xmas.

Level 3 is still ****.

Stheno · 25-10-2020 09:43AM

jackboy wrote: »

It seems that almost nobody has any curiosity as to why NPHET and the government have no plan for what will happen after this six week level 5 lockdown.

They don't have a plan is the problem

Stheno · 25-10-2020 09:44AM

manniot2 wrote: »

He actually said on the late late that icu capacity and tracing were not important. What was important was community spread. He knows he has the power to shut us down whenever he wants, deflect the blame from the farce of a health service we have

Exactly the HSE is a farce

Ficheall · 25-10-2020 09:51AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm only talking about leaving the country, you can't stop people leaving.
You went on a rant then about re-entering the country, a totally different topic.

Hang on, now. Re-entering the country is a totally different topic to leaving the country? What sort of nonsense is that?

Solli · 25-10-2020 09:51AM

Probes wrote: »

That's not true, X-rays on asymptomics have shown lung damage and other organ damage. Long covid is certainly possible for people that have had mild or no symptoms. I know someone that had it very mildly in March and is still suffering.

Can you tell us more about their currrnt symptoms as this would be interesting

prunudo · 25-10-2020 09:57AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Do we currently have the strictest anti covid measures in Europe?

Wales seem to have taken a much stricter approach from what I can see.

Santy2015 · 25-10-2020 09:57AM

Level 3 in December does sweet fûck all for the hospitality sector. Basically level 5 with retail open! Who will want to sit outside having tapas in miserable weather in December... answer is nobody! I the restaurants and pubs have been the scapegoats since this all started in February. But it’s obvious to see it was household, nursing home and hospital outbreaks that caused the majority of cases. You just need to look at what’s happening in the galway nursing home, CUH ward outbreak and in Cavan General as well!

prunudo · 25-10-2020 10:00AM

GazzaL wrote: »

One of the most striking if unsurprising things so far is Dr. Tony being "not concerned" by the failure of contact tracing. One of the most basic means of dealing with the pandemic, up there with washing your hands. A scandalous embarrassment.

How are we meant to take NPHET and the Government seriously when they can't get the basics right? They're destroying the economy and society to hide their own failures. They're aided by weak opposition that are more interested in getting people on generous welfare than dealing with the issues at hand.

Add to that a media who are by and large cheer leaders for the government and hanging on every word from those at the top of Nphet and Hse. More concerned about protecting their ad revenue or being the first to get the latest scoop on ever increasing restrictions or bad news.

rob316 · 25-10-2020 10:01AM

GazzaL wrote: »

One of the most striking if unsurprising things so far is Dr. Tony being "not concerned" by the failure of contact tracing. One of the most basic means of dealing with the pandemic, up there with washing your hands. A scandalous embarrassment.

How are we meant to take NPHET and the Government seriously when they can't get the basics right? They're destroying the economy and society to hide their own failures. They're aided by weak opposition that are more interested in getting people on generous welfare than dealing with the issues at hand.

Holohan has a history of not accepting accountability.

Downlinz · 25-10-2020 10:04AM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Level 3 in December does sweet fûck all for the hospitality sector. Basically level 5 with retail open! Who will want to sit outside having tapas in miserable weather in December... answer is nobody! I the restaurants and pubs have been the scapegoats since this all started in February. But it’s obvious to see it was household, nursing home and hospital outbreaks that caused the majority of cases. You just need to look at what’s happening in the galway nursing home, CUH ward outbreak and in Cavan General as well!

Saying households is a major source of outbreaks is ridiculous though considering they have to have got it from somewhere else to bring it into a household.

Logically hospitality was always going to be a likely source of spread considering it's indoors and involves large groups gathering in close proximity for an extended period of time.

They haven't been scapegoated at all, they just unfortunately operate in a sector that's particularly exposed to a virus outbreak. Similar to tourism and sport.

Probes · 25-10-2020 10:06AM

Solli wrote: »

Can you tell us more about their currrnt symptoms as this would be interesting

Sure, he still is out of breath doing simple things like just getting to the car and has headaches too - but he says he has a wide range of symptoms that are coming and going. Being short of breath is the major one though.

I mean it seems pretty clear that this is a reality, the Covid symptom tracker in the UK has the rate of people suffering with long term symptoms as 1 in 10.

Probes · 25-10-2020 10:10AM

Probes wrote: »

Sure, he still is out of breath doing simple things like just getting to the car and has headaches too - but he says he has a wide range of symptoms that are coming and going. Being short of breath is the major one though.

I mean it seems pretty clear that this is a reality, the Covid symptom tracker in the UK has the rate of people suffering with long term symptoms as 1 in 10.

I should also state that I know someone who now thinks they've had it, and I'd agree, but he was asymptomatic, his children lost their sense of smell and wife had what appeared to be a cold at the same time over the summer. His kid is now in uni in a house share with 5 others who all tested positive where as the kid has tested negative, presumably due to antibodies gained over the summer.

The virus is mad and the reason it's so difficult to contain is that it has such a vast range of outcomes from person to person.

Downlinz · 25-10-2020 10:10AM

GazzaL wrote: »

One of the most striking if unsurprising things so far is Dr. Tony being "not concerned" by the failure of contact tracing. One of the most basic means of dealing with the pandemic, up there with washing your hands. A scandalous embarrassment.

How are we meant to take NPHET and the Government seriously when they can't get the basics right? They're destroying the economy and society to hide their own failures. They're aided by weak opposition that are more interested in getting people on generous welfare than dealing with the issues at hand.

Have to admit that SF's messaging has been all over the place during this pandemic. They oppose restrictions one week and support them the next, they want an all island approach but are saying different things on each side of the border.

The SD's and Róisín Shortall have been the only sensible voice in opposition during all this.

Goldrickssan · 25-10-2020 10:10AM

Downlinz wrote: »

Saying households is a major source of outbreaks is ridiculous though considering they have to have got it from somewhere else to bring it into a household.

Logically hospitality was always going to be a likely source of spread considering it's indoors and involves large groups gathering in close proximity for an extended period of time.

They haven't been scapegoated at all, they just unfortunately operate in a sector that's particularly exposed to a virus outbreak. Similar to tourism and sport.

It's not a ridiculous thing to say at all. No matter where the virus appears it has to have got there from somewhere else.

If someone picks up the virus and gives it to 4 others in the household that's an outbreak. Those 4 others could now spread it far and wide.

Boggles · 25-10-2020 10:14AM

jackboy wrote: »

It seems that almost nobody has any curiosity as to why NPHET and the government have no plan for what will happen after this six week level 5 lockdown.

You are being too myopic in your view.

The reproductive number is only going to go one way for 2 weeks in December/January.

The measures now are primarily for the new year.

It's chess not checkers.

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 10:15AM

Probes wrote: »

Sure, he still is out of breath doing simple things like just getting to the car and has headaches too - but he says he has a wide range of symptoms that are coming and going. Being short of breath is the major one though.

I mean it seems pretty clear that this is a reality, the Covid symptom tracker in the UK has the rate of people suffering with long term symptoms as 1 in 10.

I picked up a virus in 2018 and has these types of symptoms for about a year. Was very disconcerting and difficult as the symptoms come and go.

whisky_galore · 25-10-2020 10:16AM

News of Irish anti mask arsehole reported on in India.

https://www.indiatimes.com/amp/trending/wtf/ireland-man-smashes-wine-whiskey-bottles-told-to-wear-a-mask-526006.html

jackboy · 25-10-2020 10:17AM

Boggles wrote: »

You are being too myopic in your view.

The reproductive number is only going to go one way for 2 weeks in December/January.

The measures now are primarily for the new year.

It's chess not checkers.

Yeah well NPHET and the government are playing it like snakes and ladders.

Santy2015 · 25-10-2020 10:17AM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

It's not a ridiculous thing to say at all. No matter where the virus appears it has to have got there from somewhere.

Outbreaks from those areas have been few and far between. The logic behind them being seen as the vectors is because contact tracing is only going back 48 hours. Professor Nolan was guessing that it was pubs and restaurants causing the spread and has been called out on it on Twitter by David Higgins and a few more. If they wanted to get the exact source of an outbreak they’d probably need to go at least 7 days back to catch it and they simply don’t have the system in place for it and more then likely just don’t want to do it anyway. Irish times article from this morning and I think he’s spot on. We will not endure rolling lockdown and businesses being crippled much longer!

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/pat-leahy-fiscal-reality-will-halt-cycle-of-lockdowns-1.4389677?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR18wBCBjHcMTKIjUt-eVnS9GCfyjPAGu2TmD0DTsP-NsR-XEJCWQ_sQcOE

Goldrickssan · 25-10-2020 10:18AM

prunudo wrote: »

Wales seem to have taken a much stricter approach from what I can see.

https://gov.wales/coronavirus-firebreak-frequently-asked-questions

Seems fairly similar

Probes · 25-10-2020 10:18AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I picked up a virus in 2018 and has these types of symptoms for about a year. Was very disconcerting and difficult as the symptoms come and go.

Yup, certainly not a phenomenon that is only found in Covid. Any type of severe virus can cause these symptoms I believe, but probably a lot of people have this right now.

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 10:19AM

Boggles wrote: »

You are being too myopic in your view.

The reproductive number is only going to go one way for 2 weeks in December/January.

The measures now are primarily for the new year.

It's chess not checkers.

Yes it is a game of chess but we are all over the place. Government is losing patience with a politicised NPHET and the crazy inefficiencies in the HSE are once more coming to the fore.

We will have this for the next 12 months to a greater or lesser degree and we need to have far better governance so we have the best mitigation and adaptation strategies. Targeted restrictions, drugs/healthcare, protecting the most vulnerable, and hopefully a workable vaccine.

Eod100 · 25-10-2020 10:19AM

Story in Sunday Times today about people getting infected from a flight. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/middle-east-to-ireland-flight-launched-viral-outbreak-of-59-cases-8p9rrhsnv It's behind a paywall but seems to be based on this article https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2020.25.42.2001624

Boggles · 25-10-2020 10:19AM

jackboy wrote: »

Yeah well NPHET and the government are playing it like snakes and ladders.

NPHET have repeatedly said the goal is to get the cases down as much as they can before Christmas because they anticipate the reproductive number will at least double.

Have you a plan there yourself chief?

Zebra3 · 25-10-2020 10:20AM

jackboy wrote: »

It seems that almost nobody has any curiosity as to why NPHET and the government have no plan for what will happen after this six week level 5 lockdown.

Sure who would listen to them anyway?

A few weeks ago they introduced a five level plan and in no time ditched it.

Jim Gazebo · 25-10-2020 10:21AM

theguzman wrote: »

I have put up 1,500km since Thursday, I met one checkpoint, a couple questions and GAA banter and left on.

The one I met they didn't even speak to me. Just waved me thru.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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