Milk and Dairy

emaherx · 24-10-2020 06:07AM

auspicious wrote: »

When posting here on the vegan forum all posters should respect the overarching tenet that is animal products are unnecessary to survive in the contemporary.

Perhaps but if the vegan message has to rely on such propaganda videos as the one shown above is it really that strong. Do you people really believe all dairy animals are beaten and dragged around like the video?

Organizations like the WHO, FAO and the health boards of almost every country are reluctant to recommend veganism as the diet for the masses due to a fear of an increase in malnourishment in the population. A balanced diet involving meat and dairy products is still recommended by most health experts.

I can respect someone's choice to be vegan as do most visiting posters here, but can we not call out the propaganda videos for what they are? There is no doubt that the farm workers in the videos are vile individuals but it's hardly evidence that these represent all dairy farms.

Also a point to note, there are far more industrial dairy farms in the UK compared to Ireland. The average dairy herd size in the UK is about 1,800 compared to 78 here. With less hired staff required animals tend to better cared for by their owners. And before the list of headlines are drawn up there are 18,000 dairy farms in Ireland so I'm sure you all have a list of newspaper articles showing some abuse.

24-10-2020 06:10AM

Ha. Probably labelled as ‘farm fresh’ in the adverts or on the packaging.

What is normal about this ?

https://youtu.be/u80_IrSILI4

24-10-2020 06:12AM

It’s ok everybody.

Some abuse is to be expected and it’s normal for that abuse to happen.

emaherx · 24-10-2020 06:27AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ha. Probably labelled as ‘farm fresh’ in the adverts or on the packaging.

What is normal about this ?

https://youtu.be/u80_IrSILI4

How often is the narrative that it's not natural for cows to be always pregnant pushed? If they were wild animals they would almost always be pregnant infact dairy farmers are more likely to "unnaturally" increase the period between pregnancy by not impregnating a cow at her first cycle after pregnancy a bull however doesn't wait.

Bobby calves are not a common practice here either.

Don't know of many farms that cull cows at 5 or 6 years old either. How is it these videos complain about cows being forced to produce so many offspring in order to produce milk and in the same breath claim they are slaughtered too young after only having 3 calves?

So to answer your question the video is not the norm

24-10-2020 06:39AM

Jjameson wrote: »

No it’s unlawful and immoral. And illogical because it’s unprofitable. Thriving animals have to be comfortable animals. Thrive and profit have a direct link.

And yet it happens.

emaherx · 24-10-2020 06:44AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And yet it happens.

Like lots of illegal acts, so not sure what your point is.

If a vegan commits a crime are all vegans responsible because they are vegan?

No of course not, suggesting as much would be ridiculous. But yet this is exactly what you are saying.

gozunda · 24-10-2020 07:50AM

auspicious wrote: »

When posting here on the vegan forum all posters should respect the overarching tenet that is animal products are unnecessary to survive in the contemporary.

auspicious - i hate to point this out. But it's not the 'vegan' forum - its the "vegetarian and vegan forum".

And yes many vegetarians use 'animal products" including eggs and dairy products. Dumping a zeitgeist on others and demanding posters "respect" an "overarching tenet" in a thread which in many respects amounts to little more than hate speech against farmers comes across as somewhat ironic tbf.

gozunda · 24-10-2020 08:16AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think the overwhelmingly obvious lesson is that when you monetise animals it’s the money that becomes the most important thing. It just makes sense.
Heartbreaking stuff here.
How can people still think that what they see in adverts remotely resembles the reality ?

Ah the old 'money" sthick kloppp? Didn't you do already do that the other night in yet another long hate filled rant?

But OK I'll bite. So yet another anti farming video made up of even more selected footage with no acknowledgement of the many many thousands of farmers who treat their animals well not only because the good care of animals is the recommended practice but also because its the right thing to do.

If there are exceptions - then that is a case for dealing with it and not using it to beat everyone else over the head with.

That said the one thing "Earthling Ed" seems to be good at is producing ****e like this for dramatic effect. Oh and MONEY.

Do you know that our friend Eathling Ed there who flogs those videos - has a financial value of about $68 million.?

Then there's the $6000 - $7000 a month that Ed gets from his Patreon money collecting. And in September alone he earned another $ 1.3K from idiots viewing his videos on YouTube.

I think the overwhelmingly obvious lesson is that It's difficult to get a person to understand something when his bank account depends upon his not understanding it. In this case its Payyyysssss Ed to deliberately paint farming in the worst way possible because some gullible people lap it up.

Heres another interesting video Ed would probably agree with...

https://youtu.be/HEofM_rDPqY

Easy money if you dont mind making fools out of people

M256 · 24-10-2020 08:16AM

auspicious wrote: »

When posting here on the vegan forum all posters should respect the overarching tenet that is animal products are unnecessary to survive in the contemporary.

Please provide proof

24-10-2020 08:33AM

gozunda wrote: »

Ah the old 'money" sthick kloppp? Didn't you do already do that the other night in yet another long hate filled rant?

But OK I'll bite. So yet another anti farming video made up of even more selected footage with no acknowledgement of the many many thousands of farmers who treat their animals well not only because the good care of animals is the recommended practice but also because its the right thing to do.

If there are exceptions - then that is a case for dealing with it and not using it to beat everyone else over the head with.

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

Pathetic response to animal cruelty.

Not surprised it doesn’t upset you.

gozunda · 24-10-2020 08:41AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Deflect. Deflect. Deflect. Pathetic response to animal cruelty. Not surprised it doesn’t upset you.

Simply pointing out the truth and spin of your regular hate filled rants against farmers Klopp. 'Pathetic'.

And nobody I know supports 'cruelty' klopp. If I witnessed cruelty I'd report it and not make a video to make "Mooonnnneeeyyyyyy" from it. :mad:

Sixty eight million he earns from his videos etc. Nice money whilst doing nothing about it eh.

Horrific we have feckers who do nothing other than actually mke money out of flogging **** like this and othes who lap it up eh?

whisky_galore · 24-10-2020 08:42AM

Milk and Dairy = yummy.

24-10-2020 08:48AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Milk and Dairy = yummy.

Will preserve that post.

24-10-2020 08:54AM

gozunda wrote: »

Simply pointing out the truth and spin of your regular hate filled rants against farmers Klopp. 'Pathetic'.

I support animal 'cruelty' klopp.

So if you take my care and consideration of animals to be hate filled them I’m at a loss.

If that is you’re true conclusion then that’s sad. I don’t think it is genuine though. I think you’re hurt. I think this forum pains you so much you spend a lot of time in here defending the actions of those that harm helpless animals.

That would encourage me to think that you support animal cruelty. That’s pretty sick.

You come across a quite the sick pup that supports animal cruelty.

I don’t think I’ll interact again with you. You’re support of animal cruelty is just sickening to me.

I fixed your post to reflect what I hear.

Over and out !

emaherx · 24-10-2020 09:04AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So if you take my care and consideration of animals to be hate filled them I’m at a loss.

If that is you’re true conclusion then that’s sad. I don’t think it is genuine though. I think you’re hurt. I think this forum pains you so much you spend a lot of time in here defending the actions of those that harm helpless animals.

That would encourage me to think that you support animal cruelty. That’s pretty sick.

You come across a quite the sick pup that supports animal cruelty.

I don’t think I’ll interact again with you. You’re support of animal cruelty is just sickening to me.

I fixed your post to reflect what I hear.

Over and out !

From your posts you come across as someone who enjoys the prospect that some animals may be abused, which is a bit weird.

As for hate filled rants, your little rant about how most of the farmers you grew up with were "uneducated and not up to much anyway" was filled with spite. I'm shocked that no mod pulled you up over that, if similar was said about vegans or any other group of people then mods would have been all over it. I'd say your proud as punch of it, but in reality only showed you up for who you really are.

Tilikum17 · 24-10-2020 09:13AM

emaherx wrote: »

Nope, not the norm here by any stretch of the imagination. But why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

Nearly 30,000 calves were slaughtered last year after they reached ten days of age, according to RTÉ's Ear to the Ground” 2019 article in the Irish examiner.

The huge numbers of unwanted male calves born in Ireland are one of the unintended consequences of the major push to expand the nation’s profitable dairy herd with the end of EU quotas in 2015.

24-10-2020 09:13AM

emaherx wrote: »

From your posts you come across as someone who enjoys the prospect that some animals may be abused, which is a bit weird.

As for hate filled rants, your little rant about how most of the farmers you grew up with were "uneducated and not up to much anyway" was filled with spite. I'm shocked that no mod pulled you up over that, if similar was said about vegans or any other group of people then mods would have been all over it. I'd say your proud as punch of it, but in reality only showed you up for who you really are.

I’m sorry if that offended you but I can only speak to my experiences.

The one that did make it out of the cycle made it fairly big in retail so there’s hope for all yet. He’s managing a stand alone Dunnes Stores the last I heard.

Finty Lemon · 24-10-2020 09:15AM

The qwerty keyboard. Brought to you by the brain tissue evolved through the power of meat and dairy.

gozunda · 24-10-2020 09:20AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m sorry if that offended you but I can only speak to my experiences...

No one is 'offended' Klopp. They're simply pointing out the bile of your comments.

"Over and out"? Still ranting and raving and attacking posters?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

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I fixed your post to reflect what I hear.

Well thats because you only seem to hear and see what you want klopp.

So not content with posting highly edited videos created by someone worth $68 million in an effort to push yet more hate filled rants against others

You've now take to altering and misrepresenting of other posters comments on here...

Well that's not a surprise. More of the same.
Well what's new klopp.

Its not really surprising that other vegxns have said on this thread that you dont represent them.
Embarrassing comments for you

And to requote a part of you last hate filled rant

"You come across a quite the sick pup"... that enjoys watching and sharing videos of animal cruelty. And yes thats 'pathetic'.

emaherx · 24-10-2020 09:31AM

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Nearly 30,000 calves were slaughtered last year after they reached ten days of age, according to RTÉ's Ear to the Ground” 2019 article in the Irish examiner.

The huge numbers of unwanted male calves born in Ireland are one of the unintended consequences of the major push to expand the nation’s profitable dairy herd with the end of EU quotas in 2015.

I don't for one second support the practice. But still not the norm 30,000 out of 2 million calves register is too many but not representative of most dairy farms.

emaherx · 24-10-2020 09:35AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m sorry if that offended you but I can only speak to my experiences.

The one that did make it out of the cycle made it fairly big in retail so there’s hope for all yet. He’s managing a stand alone Dunnes Stores the last I heard.

It's totally disgusting way to refer to another human being. I'm glad you managed to find one smart one though, but can't say it makes the comment any less cruel and you claim to be against cruelty.

mickdw · 24-10-2020 09:44AM

The small dairy farms that ive seen in west of ireland dont slaughter calves.
They dont focus on usingvthe calves as replacement milkers and so use breeds that produce a calf with some value, male or female. The calves are actually a big part of the farm income.

KennisWhale · 24-10-2020 09:47AM

auspicious wrote: »

When posting here on the vegan forum all posters should respect the overarching tenet that is animal products are unnecessary to survive in the contemporary.

I'm new to the forum but I don't understand why there is so much pro-animal agriculture in it. Particularly, pro-meat posting. The common theme to vegans and vegetarians is that we are all anti-meat. I am doing a sweep of this thread now to report the posts which are pro meat. Hopefully the mods can take a hard line. There is after all a farming forum.

KennisWhale · 24-10-2020 09:50AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Milk and Dairy = yummy.

Bad for the erection though.

gozunda · 24-10-2020 10:00AM

KennisWhale wrote: »

I'm new to the forum but I don't understand why there is so much pro-animal agriculture in it. Particularly, pro-meat posting. I am doing a sweep of this thread now to report the posts which are pro meat. Hopefully the mods can take a hard line. There is after all a farming forum.

Taking a guess - I reckon it's an ongoing discussion on a thread which attempts to denigrate farmers and farming. Are others not allowed to comment on that? Or does freedom of expression only work for select groups?

For sure there's certainly posts which should be reported as hate filled attacks on others . So much so that several posters have called for this thread to be shut down

To be fair I could never understand why there's do many agriculture threads in this forum. No problem discussing agriculture here - though its the hate filled rants which are the most telling imo. Thread after thread on the same. It's sad really.

gozunda · 24-10-2020 10:02AM

KennisWhale wrote: »

Bad for the erection though.

Yeah there was a discussion on that piece of often repeated bs propaganda already. And guess what it didnt stand up either

Donald Trump · 24-10-2020 10:03AM

emaherx wrote: »

As for hate filled rants, your little rant about how most of the farmers you grew up with were "uneducated and not up to much anyway" was filled with spite. I'm shocked that no mod pulled you up over that, if similar was said about vegans or any other group of people then mods would have been all over it. I'd say your proud as punch of it, but in reality only showed you up for who you really are.

It's more than likely just bitterness and ignorance. You have to make allowances for the ignorant people

Donald Trump · 24-10-2020 10:04AM

KennisWhale wrote: »

Bad for the erection though.

Well if that excuse works for you, you can keep using it!

NcdJd · 24-10-2020 10:07AM

KennisWhale wrote: »

I'm new to the forum but I don't understand why there is so much pro-animal agriculture in it. Particularly, pro-meat posting. The common theme to vegans and vegetarians is that we are all anti-meat. I am doing a sweep of this thread now to report the posts which are pro meat. Hopefully the mods can take a hard line. There is after all a farming forum.

If a poster creates a thread to accuse a large group of people that their business model is based on animal cruelty then what do you expect ? Posters have a right to challenge these baseless accusations.

KennisWhale · 24-10-2020 10:07AM

gozunda wrote: »

Taking a guess - I reckon it's an ongoing discussion on a thread which attempts to denigrate farmers and farming. Are others not allowed to comment on that? Or does freedom of expression only work for select groups?

For sure there's certainly posts which should be reported as hate filled attacks on others . So much so that several posters have called for this thread to be shut down

To be fair I could never understand why there's do many agriculture threads in this forum. No problem discussing agriculture here - though its the hate filled rants which are the most telling imo. Thread after thread on the same. It's sad really.

I can accede to dairy discussion, given it is a vegetarian forum too, but promoting animal rearing for the slaughter is a bridge too far. There is no defence to it here.

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