Milk and Dairy

emaherx · 23-10-2020 05:50PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah but you don't see me in the farming forum do you. Most of the fruit and veg comes from up the road in North Dublin actually, 55% or something.

The other 45% is still a significant amount.
I like to grow as much as I can in the back garden but variety and seasonality brings me else where too. Nobody's perfect

I don't frequent the vegan forum too often but it's a public forum and I only join in in conversations about farming. Same as other forums like AH, farm related topic appears in boards main feed an I give it a look.

ganmo · 23-10-2020 05:50PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah but you don't see me in the farming forum do you. Most of the fruit and veg comes from up the road in North Dublin actually, 55% or something.

Ah gotta love those factory farms

Thelonious Monk · 23-10-2020 05:55PM

You'll all be delighted to hear CAP was again passed in EU parliament just now, a disaster for the environment and wildlife and goes totally against the EU's supposed Green deal.

Gary kk · 23-10-2020 06:00PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You'll all be delighted to hear CAP was again passed in EU parliament just now, a disaster for the environment and wildlife and goes totally against the EU's supposed Green deal.

I don't know if I am happy or not about it tbh Thelonious, both sides only told their own story. Farmers read the same papers you do I know you won't believe me but a lot of farms are doing great work on their own backs.

emaherx · 23-10-2020 06:05PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

disaster for the environment and wildlife and goes totally against the EU's supposed Green deal.

How so?
Getting money from CAP, more and more involves signing up to environmental schemes and taking action to reduce emissions and protecting wildlife.

gozunda · 23-10-2020 06:18PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah but you don't see me in the farming forum do you. Most of the fruit and veg comes from up the road in North Dublin actually, 55% or something.

Doesn't stop your regular constant moaning about farming on every other forum on Boards tbf. But hey you seem to think all farmers are the same. A question? How do you face buying food at all knowing that even with carrots that there are serious consequences for wildlife and the environment.

And I won't go into a discussion about the amount of raw **** pumped into Dublin Bay every year by the inhabitants of Dublin. Such conscience must be killing tbf.

KennisWhale · 23-10-2020 06:45PM

“It’s pathetic that the parliament wouldn’t even stand up to the industrial agriculture lobbyists on this,” Greenpeace EU agriculture policy director Marco Contiero put in a statement.

“The votes won’t change the fact that more and more people are eating more vegetables and switching to meat and dairy alternatives for the sake of their health and the environment, and will continue to call dairy-free products ‘yogurt’ and ‘cheese’ anyway.”

Spot on. Fcuk them.

eviltwin · 23-10-2020 06:49PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Why are we allowed say peanut butter?

And coconut milk

gozunda · 23-10-2020 06:52PM

eviltwin wrote: »

And coconut milk

Coconuts are absolute fekers to milk I can tell you ...

emaherx · 23-10-2020 06:56PM

KennisWhale wrote: »

“It’s pathetic that the parliament wouldn’t even stand up to the industrial agriculture lobbyists on this,” Greenpeace EU agriculture policy director Marco Contiero put in a statement.

“The votes won’t change the fact that more and more people are eating more vegetables and switching to meat and dairy alternatives for the sake of their health and the environment, and will continue to call dairy-free products ‘yogurt’ and ‘cheese’ anyway.”

Spot on. Fcuk them.

It's fairly pathetic that most of producers of these alternatives to meat and dairy still claim to be healthier and more environmentally friendly. It's fair enough if someone wants to eat them as a treat as an alternative to eating animals but the jury's out on them being either healthier or more environmentally friendly, more and more studies are not finding in their favour.

That's not a particular dig at vegan foods in general just those particular extremely processed products and I'm not talking about the more traditional veggie burgers, I'd actually prefer one of them to any of the meat like alternatives.

Gael23 · 23-10-2020 06:58PM

Also if any dairy cow gives birth to a male calf it’s considered waste product and usually shot at birth

gozunda · 23-10-2020 06:58PM

KennisWhale wrote: »

“It’s pathetic that the parliament wouldn’t even stand up to the industrial agriculture lobbyists on this,” Greenpeace EU agriculture policy director Marco Contiero put in a statement.
“The votes won’t change the fact that more and more people are eating more vegetables and switching to meat and dairy alternatives for the sake of their health and the environment, and will continue to call dairy-free products ‘yogurt’ and ‘cheese’ anyway.”
Spot on. Fcuk them.

You do now realise that the "industrial agriculture lobbyists" include those of the highly processed plant food lobby like Unilever yes?

Eating 'vegetables' doesn't magically save the environment btw. Some of the most intensive and highest input types of agriculture are intensive horticulture and arable production. But yeah fcuk them yeah?

emaherx · 23-10-2020 07:07PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Also if any dairy cow gives birth to a male calf it’s considered waste product and usually shot at birth

Nope, not the norm here by any stretch of the imagination. But why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

White Clover · 23-10-2020 07:11PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Also if any dairy cow gives birth to a male calf it’s considered waste product and usually shot at birth

Such a ridiculous post. Ignorance is bliss...

NcdJd · 23-10-2020 07:30PM

KennisWhale wrote: »

“It’s pathetic that the parliament wouldn’t even stand up to the industrial agriculture lobbyists on this,” Greenpeace EU agriculture policy director Marco Contiero put in a statement.

“The votes won’t change the fact that more and more people are eating more vegetables and switching to meat and dairy alternatives for the sake of their health and the environment, and will continue to call dairy-free products ‘yogurt’ and ‘cheese’ anyway.”

Spot on. Fcuk them.

Shows how much green peace knows about vegetable production with that statement - zilch. Vegetable production is the most intensive and harmful to biodiversity and the environment of any type of farming. Go take a trip out around North County Dublin and have a look how your vegetables are produced. They don't grow on trees in fields of butterflies and wild flowers.

NcdJd · 23-10-2020 07:35PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah but you don't see me in the farming forum do you. Most of the fruit and veg comes from up the road in North Dublin actually, 55% or something.

More like 55% comes from the plastic polytunnels of Spain with cheap Moroccan labour and the Netherlands.

But if you genuinely want to buy Irish fruit and veg Lispopple farms is a good place to go.

NcdJd · 23-10-2020 07:43PM

Guys outside here still planting garlic. They've got about 50 acres done. No wildlife, biodiversity soil is pummelled, lots of artifical fertiliser, multiple spray routines of herbicides and fungicides, large amounts of irrigation then in August at the critical bulb swell stage.

Fields next to it has beef cattle, no artificial fertiliser applications or spraying, old meadows and good hedgerows. Teaming with wildlife and biodiversity.

Do ya see the difference in what I've described ?

emaherx · 23-10-2020 07:49PM

NcdJd wrote: »

Guys outside here still planting garlic. They've got about 50 acres done. No wildlife, biodiversity soil is pummelled, lots of artifical fertiliser, multiple spray routines of herbicides and fungicides, large amounts of irrigation then in August at the critical bulb swell stage.

Fields next to it has beef cattle, no artificial fertiliser applications or spraying, old meadows and good hedgerows. Teaming with wildlife and biodiversity.

Do ya see the difference in what I've described ?

No....
They see cows bad.
Plants good.

It's amazing how the people who hate cows the most claim to be worried about cruelty towards them.

Anyway slow down the V and V server hasn't seen this kind of activity since impossible burger launch.

NcdJd · 23-10-2020 08:08PM

emaherx wrote: »

No....
They see cows bad.
Plants good.

It's amazing how the people who hate cows the most claim to be worried about cruelty towards them.

Anyway slow down the V and V server hasn't seen this kind of activity since impossible burger launch.

I've nothing against what people choose to eat or not eat. Personal choices and all of that. But to those who say plant based food production is any better than animal based food production on the environment they are either very misinformed or don't want to accept the reality.

Thelonious Monk · 23-10-2020 08:13PM

NcdJd wrote: »

More like 55% comes from the plastic polytunnels of Spain with cheap Moroccan labour and the Netherlands.

But if you genuinely want to buy Irish fruit and veg Lispopple farms is a good place to go.

No, 55% of Irish fruit and veg comes from Fingal. No one mentioned imported fruit and veg.

NcdJd · 23-10-2020 08:15PM

Here ya go, friend of mine tipped out a 12 tons of spuds because there is too much scab on them for the supermarkets. Quality control they call it, I call that food waste. Spuds are perfect for eating

Thelonious Monk · 23-10-2020 08:17PM

NcdJd wrote: »

I've nothing against what people choose to eat or not eat. Personal choices and all of that. But to those who say plant based food production is any better than animal based food production on the environment they are either very misinformed or don't want to accept the reality.

For me it's more about the amount of land given up worldwide to feed cattle. The amazon is being burned down for this, Ireland has very little biodiversity and nothing resembling a wilderness because of this. If we all ate less meat we wouldn't have to use as much land for food production.
Pointless engaging in this conversation with cattle farmers anyway, you're saviours of nature as far as you're concerned.

Thelonious Monk · 23-10-2020 08:17PM

NcdJd wrote: »

Here ya go, friend of mine tipped out a 12 tons of spuds because there is too much scab on them for the supermarkets. Quality control they call it, I call that food waste. Spuds are perfect for eating

What has that got to do with anything?!

NcdJd · 23-10-2020 08:20PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What has that got to do with anything?!

No idea was just annoyed when he showed me it last week!

Thelonious Monk · 23-10-2020 08:21PM

NcdJd wrote: »

No idea was just annoyed when he showed me it last week!

I hope you took some home

JustJoe7240 · 23-10-2020 08:23PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Also if any dairy cow gives birth to a male calf it’s considered waste product and usually shot at birth

Yeah alright

emaherx · 23-10-2020 08:30PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

For me it's more about the amount of land given up worldwide to feed cattle. The amazon is being burned down for this, Ireland has very little biodiversity and nothing resembling a wilderness because of this. If we all ate less meat we wouldn't have to use as much land for food production.
Pointless engaging in this conversation with cattle farmers anyway, you're saviours of nature as far as you're concerned.

If you believe simply removing cattle from Ireland will increase biodiversity then you are mistaken and obviously don't understand biodiversity. The removal of grazing land would have a negative effect on many species that are currently dependent on farm land.

And this has already been seen in farmland across Europe in area's where livestock farming has declined.

NcdJd · 23-10-2020 08:31PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

For me it's more about the amount of land given up worldwide to feed cattle. The amazon is being burned down for this, Ireland has very little biodiversity and nothing resembling a wilderness because of this. If we all ate less meat we wouldn't have to use as much land for food production.
Pointless engaging in this conversation with cattle farmers anyway, you're saviours of nature as far as you're concerned.

I'm not a cattle farmer, I was involved in commercial vegetable production with my father growing up. I'm trying to do a bit on a part time basis as the job allows. It hasn't changed technique wise other than being on a bigger scale with less and less small producers. I just don't get some of this bitterness directed towards farming in this thread.

Thelonious Monk · 23-10-2020 08:35PM

emaherx wrote: »

If you believe simply removing cattle from Ireland will increase biodiversity then you are mistaken and obviously don't understand biodiversity. The removal of grazing land would have a negative effect on many species that are currently dependent on farm land.

And this has already been seen in farmland across Europe in area's where livestock farming has declined.

So if we give more land to livestock farming it would improve biodiversity?

NcdJd · 23-10-2020 08:40PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So if we give more land to livestock farming it would improve biodiversity?

Thelonious, the fields out the back of me were always grassland. Cattle on them. We had barn owls, lapwings, curlews both native and migratory. Once the plough was put into the soil for veg production all that disappeared. 40 to 50 acres of swedes completely covered in crop protection mesh. Id rather see it back in grassland as at least there is some sort of biodiversity compared to what it is now which is lifeless.

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