Schools closed until February? (part 3)

Thats me · 23-10-2020 04:26PM

treade1 wrote: »

Oh the horror of it all. Kids having fun playing together. The virus is no worse than a bad flu and for younger people the flu actually poses a greater risk. School's are back a few months now and everything is going very well. Yes there have been a few cases but the symptoms for the vast majority of people under 45 are no worse than that of a common cold. The hysteria and fear mongering needs to end.

Hoping this was an irony.

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 04:31PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

You were in the school this morning?

I didn't say in, now did I. Dropping my kids off. The windows and one door to two different classrooms are right along the footpath. One can even see into them driving out the carpark. Satisfied? Yourself and Blanch would love to catch me out behaving badly though, I know. No such luck today I'm afraid.

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 04:33PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Wondered that myself. We have a strict no parents inside the gate policy.

Jaysus wirelussdude, expected better from you though!

Thats me · 23-10-2020 04:34PM

irishblessing wrote: »

I didn't say in, now did I. Dropping my kids off. The windows and one door to two different classrooms are right along the footpath. One can even see into them driving out the carpark. Satisfied?

Do you have any hard evidence to confirm it was exactly as you said?

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 04:37PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Jaysus wirelussdude, expected better from you though!

Just wondered. It did sound like you were in the actual school building by the way you described it.

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 04:37PM

treade1 wrote: »

Oh the horror of it all. Kids having fun playing together. The virus is no worse than a bad flu and for younger people the flu actually poses a greater risk. School's are back a few months now and everything is going very well. Yes there have been a few cases but the symptoms for the vast majority of people under 45 are no worse than that of a common cold. The hysteria and fear mongering needs to end.

Good god. Let me guess, anti-masker, anti-science, and anti-vaxxer? :pac: :rolleyes: Isn't there a pseudoscience forum on here somewhere, I think he/she is lost...

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 04:40PM

Thats me wrote: »

Do you have any hard evidence to confirm it was exactly as you said?

haha.. why would I be IN the school now? Feel sorry enough for them teachers, wouldn't force me to be in the cramped, hardly ventilated space with a bunch of unmasked virus spreaders. C'mon! :rolleyes:

meeeeh · 23-10-2020 04:40PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Did you see the report from the north today where official figures say that half of the schools have had cases? Contrast that with Norma saying that officially 10% have had Covid incidents down here. Someone somewhere is massaging numbers, question is it north or south of the border?

North is a different jurisdiction, with different numbers of infections and different rules. Yes maybe Norma is some evil mastermind or maybe just maybe the numbers and response to those numbers isn't the same in two different countries.

meeeeh · 23-10-2020 04:44PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Good god. Let me guess, anti-masker, anti-science, and anti-vaxxer? :pac: :rolleyes: Isn't there a pseudoscience forum on here somewhere, I think he/she is lost...

I think this thread is full pseudo science. I must say there isn't a thread on boards that I frequent where fake news bs and glofication of Facebook and Twitter nonsense is as prevalent. So if the poster is looking for pseudo science they are in good company.

treade1 · 23-10-2020 04:45PM

There's no talking to you guys. It's not the end of the world. The Infection Fatality Rate for anyone under 70 is < 0.05%. For flu is it 0.1%. For people under 45 the risk is almost zero. Lockdowns don't work. Covid-19 is a seasonal respiratory virus. Cases will fall in summer and rise in winter just like what happens with regular cold and flus. If masks worked we wouldn't be having 1200 positive cases per day. The reality is that the virus has been in the country since last November and the School year was proceeding just fine until panic set in on March 12th. Yes many teachers and pupils were out of school sick in January but it was no different than any other School year. The Death rates for the first 6 months of 2020 are available and the reality is that that although there was a peak in deaths among elderly people in April 2020 the total number of deaths for the first 6 months of 2020 is actually lower than the first 6 months of 2018. People died in April instead of in May & June.
What I am saying is essentially good news in that the virus is significantly less deadly than initially feared - Coronavirus should be respected just like flu should be but the hysteria generated is irrational. The big killers in Ireland are cancer, heart disease and stroke. Alcohol, cigarettes, lack of exercise and unhealthy diets are all major problems. 3 elderly people passed away yesterday with Coronavirus but what about the other 80 people who died of other illnesses. The response has been disproportionate. Who's going to pay the teachers salaries when the private sector has been decimated?

Thats me · 23-10-2020 04:45PM

irishblessing wrote: »

haha.. why would I be IN the school now? Feel sorry enough for them teachers, wouldn't force me to be in the cramped, hardly ventilated space with a bunch of unmasked virus spreaders. C'mon! :rolleyes:

Written confirmation from 2-3 eye witnesses would work better than these pathetic excuses :cool:

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 04:46PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I think this thread is full pseudo science. I must say there isn't a thread on boards that I frequent where fake news bs and glofication of Facebook and Twitter nonsense is as prevalent. So if the poster is looking for pseudo science they are in good company.

No better person to speak to that..

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 04:49PM

Thats me wrote: »

Written confirmation from 2-3 eye witnesses would work better than these pathetic excuses :cool:

I'm on it. Will have a full report for you in the morning, PPS numbers included.

I'm sure the few parents next to me looking in at all the kiddo's as well and laughing away will vouch for me.

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 04:49PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I think this thread is full pseudo science. I must say there isn't a thread on boards that I frequent where fake news bs and glofication of Facebook and Twitter nonsense is as prevalent. So if the poster is looking for pseudo science they are in good company.

Pot, kettle, black comes to mind.

blanch152 · 23-10-2020 04:49PM

irishblessing wrote: »

Because schools are places shown to have transmission of the virus full of students and staff able to pass on the virus as well as anybody else. Here in Ireland our classrooms are often small, overcrowded, unventilated, and especially in primary, not masked. Many (or most?) schools could not properly implement the 1m distance of desks as required. Hence the "where possible" language every other paragraph in that document. Pods are a joke. The risks in school are not less, they are increased.
Dropped my children off this morning to school in their costumes. You know what I saw in 2 of the class rooms as I walked by? Almost every single child up and about moving around the classroom looking at each other's costumes, running around, passing balls and touching each other's costume parts. I saw two girls together fixing one's hair. Controlled environment adhering to protocols my f-g eye.

Oh and the usual unmasked mammies in the carpark having their daily morning chats in each others faces.

Schools are not places shown to have transmission of the virus - all the evidence to date points to schools as being lower risk than care homes, hospitals, meat factories, pubs and restaurants, as well as many other locations.

The unmasked mammies are a real problem, but that is not on the school.

meeeeh · 23-10-2020 04:50PM

irishblessing wrote: »

No better person to speak to that..

Says someone who misrepresents reports and newspaper articles, screams about media cover up and considers Facebook hard news. Trump would be proud.

Thats me · 23-10-2020 04:50PM

treade1 wrote: »

The Infection Fatality Rate for anyone under 70 is < 0.05%.

Only in your age group: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_20201022%20-%20website.pdf

meeeeh · 23-10-2020 04:54PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Pot, kettle, black comes to mind.

Find me one statement where I dismissed research as being fake or took Twitter at face value. One. At the same time you can also count how many times you did it.

JDD · 23-10-2020 04:55PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Schools are not places shown to have transmission of the virus - all the evidence to date points to schools as being lower risk than care homes, hospitals, meat factories, pubs and restaurants, as well as many other locations.

The unmasked mammies are a real problem, but that is not on the school.

I've seen parents of both genders chatting without masks outside school. I'm uncomfortable with the "mammies" caricature as if it's the 1950's and the hysterical wimmin clearly don't understand the rules. Y'know, them with their small brains and all.

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 04:55PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Schools are not places shown to have transmission of the virus - all the evidence to date points to schools as being lower risk than care homes, hospitals, meat factories, pubs and restaurants, as well as many other locations.

The unmasked mammies are a real problem, but that is not on the school.

"All the evidence.." Eh no. That's not true Blanch and you know it. It's all been posted here already. What do you make of Israel then? There have been clusters in the schools. Unmasked children 10 and over, unmasked teachers, unmasked parents, family get togethers, GAA celebrations, and parties, people not social distancing, people wearing masks under their noses or visors, etc are ALL the problem.

Smacruairi · 23-10-2020 04:57PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Schools are not places shown to have transmission of the virus - all the evidence to date points to schools as being lower risk than care homes, hospitals, meat factories, pubs and restaurants, as well as many other locations.

The unmasked mammies are a real problem, but that is not on the school.

https://www.tes.com/news/schools-linked-large-increase-covid-r-number

Yeah no, all the evidence doesn't say what you think. Jesus christ, you need supervision

irishblessing · 23-10-2020 05:00PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Says someone who misrepresents reports and newspaper articles, screams about media cover up and considers Facebook hard news. Trump would be proud.

Misrepresents? Are we back here again? I can repost it if you need a review. I proved that you were in fact wrong yesterday on 2 counts, and after insulting me, and which you refused to apologise for. You talk some sh!te.

"Screams..":rolleyes: You are certainly consistent in your hyperbolic nonsense.

So your position is the FB group with over 114k members which publishes either HSE letters, or texts from them or the school are fake? I peruse it most days to look for my kids school, and underneath every post are loads of comments from the parents or teachers of these schools. Not even once has one person, EVER, said that the post is a fake and it never happened at that school.

treade1 · 23-10-2020 05:02PM

Thats me wrote: »

Only in your age group: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_20201022%20-%20website.pdf

The HSE figures are based on known cases. The reality is that there are a whole bunch of people who were asymptomatic or had a minor cold who never bother getting tested. This brings the IFR down. Here is the link to a WHO document showing IFR is < 0.05 for the under 70's and 0.27% for the entire population.
https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

Queried · 23-10-2020 05:06PM

Woohoo, midterm! We made it. Well done everyone. Was great to be able to celebrate Halloween with the kids today, such a lovely atmosphere and great excitement. I am glad of a week with a bit less worry, I will say. Hope all school staff, pupils and families have a relaxing week off.

treade1 · 23-10-2020 05:06PM

And as Doctor John Lee said on Prime Time last night a positive test is not a case. A CASE is someone who test positive who has serious symptoms which require medical attention. A few kids in school with a tickle in their throat or a slight cough who test positive are not cases. This is the first pandemic in living memory where the symptoms for most people are so mild that you have to get tested to find out whether or not you have the disease!

Thats me · 23-10-2020 05:06PM

treade1 wrote: »

The HSE figures are based on known cases.[/url]

Ahh, sorry. I didn't notice you are coming from unknown cases. :rolleyes: Please go ahead, i will not interrupt you anymore.

eagle eye · 23-10-2020 05:09PM

meeeeh wrote:

Says someone who misrepresents reports and newspaper articles, screams about media cover up and considers Facebook hard news. Trump would be proud.

I think you have more in common with Trump than most here.

wirelessdude01 · 23-10-2020 05:10PM

Queried wrote: »

Woohoo, midterm! We made it. Well done everyone. Was great to be able to celebrate Halloween with the kids today, such a lovely atmosphere and great excitement. I am glad of a week with a bit less worry, I will say. Hope all school staff, pupils and families have a relaxing week off.

Well done.

As I said to my principal today when I was talking to them, really hated having to miss today as it's one of my favourite days of the year in school.

Such a pity we won't be able to do our usual Christmas show.

xhomelezz · 23-10-2020 05:14PM

treade1 wrote: »

And as Doctor John Lee said on Prime Time last night a positive test is not a case. A CASE is someone who test positive who has serious symptoms which require medical attention. A few kids in school with a tickle in their throat or a slight cough who test positive are not cases. This is the first pandemic in living memory where the symptoms for most people are so mild that you have to get tested to find out whether or not you have the disease!

This bs post reminds me March 2020

khalessi · 23-10-2020 05:17PM

Thats me wrote: »

Written confirmation from 2-3 eye witnesses would work better than these pathetic excuses :cool:

|I was thinking video and architect plans with the relevant areas highlighted:D

Schools closed until February? (part 3)

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