Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Away With The Fairies · 23-10-2020 01:33PM

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

I think the whole thing is a farce. I don't mind wearing masks etc but there's no consistency.
I just don't believe them. I suspect half the Covid related deaths were not down to Covid but some other condition.
I've also seen first hand the carry on of folks ringing in to work with self diagnosed Covid symptoms so as to doss off for 2 weeks
Back in March when we first shut down we didn't know what we were dealing with, it could have been the next plague instead its not but yet they are treating the whole thing as if it was the Walking Dead virus.
Young people now are being treated so badly its shame-full and we should be embarrassed by it.
Forcing small Cafes, pubs hairdressers off-licences etc to close yet go into any of the big Supermarkets and there's no social distancing. Till workers behind some magic Perspex screen!! like wtf is that supposed to protect them from??
Its pure Bollsh!t.
We are going to destroy the Economy which will cause far more deaths than any Virus

How do you know people are self diagnosing themselves with covid symptoms? How dare they protect others around them.

Will Yam · 23-10-2020 01:34PM

seamus wrote: »

Decent hospital numbers so far today., 37 in ICU, 311 in hospital.

ICU numbers have only increased 20% in the last 14 days.

Some faint signs that they're stabilising; which would match the stabilisation in cases. But it could just be random correlation. We could easily see another leap in hospital numbers next week.

I think there is an element here of lies, damn lies and statistics.

You can spin stats either way.

For example, RTE reported as a headline last evening that cases per 100,000 had reached 300+ over last 14 days (TRUE).

But cases declined by 8% two days ago, and by a further 8% yesterday. Yesterday’s figures were 16% lower than 2 days ago with drops of over 100 each day. (Dublin was also down yesterday by 7%).

So if I want to disseminate bad news, i say cases have reached 300+.

If i want to disseminate good news i say there are encouraging signs emerging recently, with drops of 8% each day.

And in todays I Times we are told that cutting cases by 100 a day will save 20 lives per month. That implies 20 deaths per 3000 cases. But over the last fortnight we have had 14,420 cases, and 50 deaths. That’s 10 deaths per 3000 cases. So where is the 20 coming from?

Strumms · 23-10-2020 01:36PM

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

Young people now are being treated so badly its shame-full and we should be embarrassed by it.
Forcing small Cafes, pubs hairdressers off-licences etc to close yet go into any of the big Supermarkets and there's no social distancing. Till workers behind some magic Perspex screen!! like wtf is that supposed to protect them from??
Its pure Bollsh!t.
We are going to destroy the Economy which will cause far more deaths than any Virus

Young people are being treated the same as everyone else.

Under no definition are they being treated badly. By that logic the laws of the country should be amended so they are not responsible in many instances for the breach of laws.

Young people are only being asked and instructed to behave in a legal and safe manner, the SAME as everyone else...

The recession here didn’t kill 2000 people, covid almost has.

Funsterdelux · 23-10-2020 01:37PM

SPDUB wrote: »

Dr Cillian De Gascun just said on the News at One it is because one of their 2 teams get Covid and so they are isolating .

Over worked, it was only a matter of time before one of them licked a positive swab

AlmightyCushion · 23-10-2020 01:41PM

Will Yam wrote: »

I think there is an element here of lies, damn lies and statistics.

You can spin stats either way.

For example, RTE reported as a headline last evening that cases per 100,000 had reached 300+ over last 14 days (TRUE).

But cases declined by 8% two days ago, and by a further 8% yesterday. Yesterday’s figures were 16% lower than 2 days ago with drops of over 100 each day. (Dublin was also down yesterday by 7%).

So if I want to disseminate bad news, i say cases have reached 300+.

If i want to disseminate good news i say there are encouraging signs emerging recently, with drops of 8% each day.

And in todays I Times we are told that cutting cases by 100 a day will save 20 lives per month. That implies 20 deaths per 3000 cases. But over the last fortnight we have had 14,420 cases, and 50 deaths. That’s 10 deaths per 3000 cases. So where is the 20 coming from?

Some of the 14,000 cases that will die have either not died yet or if they have, the death may not have been reported yet. Deaths always lag cases and reporting of the deaths can lag the time of death by months.

seamus · 23-10-2020 01:42PM

Swab numbers in early today.

17,746 tests, 1038 positive, 5.85% positivity.

7-day positivity rate down to 6.6%.

Kickstart1.3 · 23-10-2020 01:42PM

Strumms wrote: »

Young people are being treated the same as everyone else.

Under no definition are they being treated badly. By that logic the laws of the country should be amended so they are not responsible in many instances for the breach of laws.

Young people are only being asked and instructed to behave in a legal and safe manner, the SAME as everyone else...

The recession here didn’t kill 2000 people, covid almost has.

Pulling figures from your AR£s there. Just like the Health service

Strumms · 23-10-2020 01:47PM

Kickstart1.3 wrote: »

Pulling figures from your AR£s there. Just like the Health service

Hahaha, right... you disagree with the numbers, you post the actual numbers so..go ahead :pac: To contradict what I’m posting post your numbers we are waiting, my numbers are from the HSE yes. But you know better, now where are YOUR numbers to counter what the HSE have said, and your sources for them, let’s have it, come on. !

CoronaBlocker · 23-10-2020 01:49PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Over worked, it was only a matter of time before one of them licked a positive swab

Lol! Teacher's figuring out what happens if they cough on each other now too :cool:

Martina1991 · 23-10-2020 01:49PM

Eod100 wrote: »

System seems to be completely straining now https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1319590819645575169?s=19

E36Ross wrote: »

Swabs NOT being tested this weekend,
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40069895.html?fbclid=IwAR2hFx2Ar8-d3yDAFm3baFj6rSqRLJauiSci5Fi-TVQxTRkRXr0ANUjU69M

Boggles wrote: »

3 days of tests.
40,000 odd.
We will be the fúcking first country who will have to bring in a harsher lockdown than back in March.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Irish Times reporting the NVRL are trying to outsource testing to Enfer in Naas for the next two weekends to make up for the closure.

The reaction to this is completely overblown. Tests will absolutely be processed this weekend 24/7 all over the country as they have been since the beginning. These sensationalist headlines and uninformed reactions on twitter are so frustrating.

The NVRL have been working full throttle since February. They have always been a reference lab. They only ever had an on call service on weekends before Covid.

"Staff shortages" due to much needed annual leave, sick leave, whatever are long overdue for the work they have done.

It just means ENFER or the lab in Germany will pick up the slack.
Capacity will not be greatly effected for a reduced service for 2 weekends.

MerlinSouthDub · 23-10-2020 02:07PM

seamus wrote: »

Swab numbers in early today.

17,746 tests, 1038 positive, 5.85% positivity.

7-day positivity rate down to 6.6%.

Great! Daily + rate reached a peak of 7.9% on 17th October, and now we've been below 6% for 2 days in a row. Looking like exponential decay to me

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 02:09PM

Today we officially crossed 1 million community tests done - that is swabs not including hospitals.

Goldrickssan · 23-10-2020 02:10PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Great! Daily + rate reached a peak of 7.9% on 17th October, and now we've been below 6% for 2 days in a row. Looking like exponential decay to me

Be careful using the exponential word in a positive way. You might upset some very serious mathematicians on here

KrustyUCC · 23-10-2020 02:10PM

seamus wrote: »

Swab numbers in early today.

17,746 tests, 1038 positive, 5.85% positivity.

7-day positivity rate down to 6.6%.

That's hopeful

Goldrickssan · 23-10-2020 02:11PM

If numbers start dropping now does it mean level 3 actually does work to reduce cases when you're not dealing with a place as populated as Dublin where it just seems to slow growth?

polesheep · 23-10-2020 02:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe they are given that message, in that the hope that they behave as if positive, but its not the case that they are counted as positive cases, else there would be a massive discrepancy between positive swabs and confirmed cases

Nevertheless, if what you say is true, telling people that they are positive for Covid without knowing whether they are or not is criminal. To deliberately give someone a false diagnosis! Who knows what affect that could have on people. I sincerely hope that isn't true.

ACitizenErased · 23-10-2020 02:13PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

If numbers start dropping now does it mean level 3 actually does work to reduce cases when you're not dealing with a place as populated as Dublin where it just seems to slow growth?

It's quite clear level 3 had an impact on Donegal. I assume it's more to do with population density etc.

Antares35 · 23-10-2020 02:14PM

Heard a snip of some interview with a HSE rep on rte radio the other day. They asked her why the hospitals weren't better prepared since they've had seven months to get ready for a surge and her answer was "well we didn't expect the surge to be so soon". Bull**** Karen, even if the surge was in December there wouldn't be enough beds. They'd say "oh we had them in October when we expected a surge and then it didn't come". Typical HSE fúckery.

Goldrickssan · 23-10-2020 02:15PM

1252 and 5 deaths in NI

prunudo · 23-10-2020 02:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's quite clear level 3 had an impact on Donegal. I assume it's more to do with population density etc.

And if we had proper enforcement throughout Dublins level 3 we probably wouldn't be where we are now either.

MerlinSouthDub · 23-10-2020 02:20PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

If numbers start dropping now does it mean level 3 actually does work to reduce cases when you're not dealing with a place as populated as Dublin where it just seems to slow growth?

It now look like level 3 nationwide has brought the reproductive rate to about 1. I think the problem with Dublin was the surge in cases in Meath etc. This was always going to impact Dublin.

Goldrickssan · 23-10-2020 02:23PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

It now look like level 3 nationwide has brought the reproductive rate to about 1. I think the problem with Dublin was the surge in cases in Meath etc. This was always going to impact Dublin.

If cases are already (hopefully) starting to slow and maybe drop I'd be hopeful we can put a large dent in the daily rate after 6 weeks.

When we went to lockdown last time cases were still skyrocketing. Seems like we might not be doing too bad right now.

BringBackMick · 23-10-2020 02:24PM

Even if we had 200 cases tomorrow, theyd push this level 5 on us until December and maybe let us down to level 4

That is the problem with the swift move to 5 with NPHET in charge there is no way out.

They are extremely cautious to the detriment of much of society and we will lose again thanks to giving them such power

Benimar · 23-10-2020 02:24PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

It now look like level 3 nationwide has brought the reproductive rate to about 1. I think the problem with Dublin was the surge in cases in Meath etc. This was always going to impact Dublin.

The current estimate of R is 1.3

BringBackMick · 23-10-2020 02:25PM

Antares35 wrote: »

Heard a snip of some interview with a HSE rep on rte radio the other day. They asked her why the hospitals weren't better prepared since they've had seven months to get ready for a surge and her answer was "well we didn't expect the surge to be so soon". Bull**** Karen, even if the surge was in December there wouldn't be enough beds. They'd say "oh we had them in October when we expected a surge and then it didn't come". Typical HSE fúckery.

It's BS, even without COVID the hospitals would be in dire straits this winter, just like they are every winter

Sofa King Great · 23-10-2020 02:26PM

People need to calm down about the NVRL closing - according to De Gascun at lunch they only do 600 tests a day which is 3.3% of today's total.

They split the group in to two teams to avoid the whole lot being exposed to Covid - one group is now self isolating

celt262 · 23-10-2020 02:27PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

It's BS, even without COVID the hospitals would be in dire straits this winter, just like they are every winter

And that's for sure.

Widdensushi · 23-10-2020 02:27PM

At the moment everyone is probably not wrong, three has stabilised the numbers and would probably work with enforcement of the measures, GAA parties etc, the delay in numbers to people getting seriously ill means the hospitals will be under pressure for a few weeks.

seamus · 23-10-2020 02:27PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

It now look like level 3 nationwide has brought the reproductive rate to about 1. I think the problem with Dublin was the surge in cases in Meath etc. This was always going to impact Dublin.

Yeah, it looks like changes in levels do work, but on an isolated-county basis maybe not so much. Any change most likely requires the hotspot plus surrounding counties to be restricted.

So the LOK-down worked because it was 3 counties around a hotspot. If we had moved Wicklow, Kildare, Meath & Louth (at least) to level 3 at the same time as Dublin, we'd have probably seen a more sustained impact.

is_that_so · 23-10-2020 02:29PM

seamus wrote: »

Swab numbers in early today.

17,746 tests, 1038 positive, 5.85% positivity.

7-day positivity rate down to 6.6%.

See that's the instant effect of Level 5 for ya!

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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