Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

spookwoman · 22-10-2020 11:12PM

Hospital bed info for confirmed and Suspected Critical Care cases missing from the HSE operations report night. https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-22-october-2020.pdf

lawred2 · 22-10-2020 11:14PM

harr wrote: »

Really can’t see schools returning from midterm as planned. A lot of cases in a lot of schools the last week that’s going by the parents alert page on Facebook.
Both the schools my kids go to have hinted strongly that they could be closing for an extended period.
All school books being sent home tomorrow and log in details for on line resources .
Yes it could only be precautionary but it looks like a strong possibility at this stage .

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Atlantic Dawn · 22-10-2020 11:16PM

Dud hand sanitiser closes schools...

Tests by the Department show that some of the sanitiser on sale does not comply with regulations "governing the content and efficacy of such products".

"Some of the product contains methanol rather than ethanol. Prolonged use of such sanitiser may cause dermatitis, eye irritation, upper respiratory system irritation and headaches," the Department of Agriculture said.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1022/1173344-school-hand-sanitiser/

majcos · 22-10-2020 11:18PM

Roger_007 wrote: »

The government supported by NPHET seem determined to keep the schools open no matter what. I can understand why they want to do that and I personally have no problem with keeping them open.
What they should not be doing is denying that there is any significant transmission within schools and most cases that do occur in children are are happening in their homes. It is completely illogical to claim that children can be infected in their homes but not in their schools.
In children, Covid should be regarded as just another bug that kids get and shake off without too much bother. To claim that they don’t get it and transmit it in school is just implausible.

Positivity rate in school children 2-3% versus positivity rate in general population of about 7%.

Percentage of Covid cases in school aged children before schools reopened was 14.3% and since schools reopened is 14.1%.

They are not getting it at any higher rate in the schools than they were without schools. Positivity rate is still lower in school children than it is in general population so increase in cases in schools is because of increase in rates overall not because schools have increased it.

bfa1509 · 22-10-2020 11:18PM

Kivaro wrote: »

That's RTE for you.
I can guarantee that your mental health will radically improve if you stop watching RTE. You can easily catch up on the news online without the need to watch the purveyors of doom at RTE.
Life is too short to spend it hooked watching and listening to the constant stream of negativity from our national broadcaster. They are doing our country a major disservice.

RTE must have read your post. For the first time in the 9 months of coronavirus they had a man with a dissenting opinion that didn't fall in line with RTE and, more specifically, George Lee's apocalyptic agenda they have been peddling relentlessly. (a side note on this, George Lee is a complete and utter poison. I hope one day the history books will expose him for the vile, unscientific fear-monger he has been throughout his career, especially in the last 5 years on the "climate crisis" and Covid19)

I reluctantly give RTE some credit here for finally having a somewhat diverse, constructive and frank debate about the topic this evening. Hopefully it continues. For anyone who didn't see, here's a very interesting snippet from Professor John Lee, a retired consultant pathologist from Sheffield and the NHS who explains the futility of a lockdown:

Cluedo Monopoly · 22-10-2020 11:19PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I was thinking, as much of a hames our officials have made of things, I'm sure as hell glad we don't live in Belgium, France, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovakia or Spain right now, where things are going south. Hopefully we can go into winter months with limited damage.

To be fair to front line health workers, every winter is a bit of a nightmare at work. People are more concerned about it this winter because it will go from bad to worse. The nurses and doctors deserved better long before Covid came along.

November 2019....

https://www.inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13549

2019 has seen the highest number of patients on trolleys in any year since records began – despite it still being November.

As of today, 108,364 people have gone without beds in 2019 so far – breaking 2018’s record high of 108,227, with a full month left to go in the year.

INMO General Secretary, Phil Ní Sheaghdha, said:

“Winter has only just begun and the record is already broken. These statistics are the hallmark of a wildly bureaucratic health service, which is failing staff and patients alike.

“We take no pleasure in having to record these figures for a decade and a half. We know the problem, but we also know the solutions: extra beds in hospitals, safe staffing levels, and more step-down and community care outside of the hospital.

“No other developed country faces anything close to this trolley problem. It can be solved, but a strong political agenda to drive change is needed.

“The INMO has written to the health and safety authorities this week to try force a change from the employers. Hospitals should be a place of safety and care – not danger.”

The decades of FF & FG ignoring the problem will cost us dearly.

spookwoman · 22-10-2020 11:21PM

School in County Roscommon closing because no one from HSE called them back when they reported a case.
https://roscommonherald.ie/2020/10/22/county-roscommon-primary-school-to-close-tomorrow-after-covid-case/

majcos · 22-10-2020 11:23PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Hospital bed info for confirmed and Suspected Critical Care cases missing from the HSE operations report night. https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-22-october-2020.pdf

Yes. The individual hospital ICU numbers for confirmed and suspected Covid cases not included but total ICU figures show 37 confirmed Covid cases with 21 of those ventilated. 14 suspected Covid cases with 5 of those ventilated.

spookwoman · 22-10-2020 11:24PM

majcos wrote: »

Yes. The individual hospital ICU numbers for confirmed and suspected Covid cases not included but total ICU figures show 37 confirmed Covid cases with 21 of those ventilated. 14 suspected Covid cases with 5 of those ventilated.

Private hospitals also removed from the list the last few days.

Icyseanfitz · 22-10-2020 11:25PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Dud hand sanitiser closes schools...

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1022/1173344-school-hand-sanitiser/

:mad: methanol poisoning is really serious **** :mad: how did this pass for use for our children ffs.

Richard Hillman · 22-10-2020 11:26PM

spookwoman wrote: »

School in County Roscommon closing because no one from HSE called them back when they reported a case.
https://roscommonherald.ie/2020/10/22/county-roscommon-primary-school-to-close-tomorrow-after-covid-case/

I honestly think they are trying to artificially quell the school cases. My friends child was in a pod with a Covid child, they all were supposed to get tested along with the families but have been ignored for about a week now.

MOR316 · 22-10-2020 11:29PM

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1319400403088400385

WoollyRedHat · 22-10-2020 11:30PM

Can someone clarify, are we doing prospective or retrospective tracing currently?

majcos · 22-10-2020 11:30PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I honestly think they are trying to artificially quell the school cases. My friends child was in a pod with a Covid child, they all were supposed to get tested along with the families but have been ignored for about a week now.

If that was the case, the positivity rate would be higher in school age groups than the general population and not the other way round.

Away With The Fairies · 22-10-2020 11:31PM

harr wrote: »

Really can’t see schools returning from midterm as planned. A lot of cases in a lot of schools the last week that’s going by the parents alert page on Facebook.
Both the schools my kids go to have hinted strongly that they could be closing for an extended period.
All school books being sent home tomorrow and log in details for on line resources .
Yes it could only be precautionary but it looks like a strong possibility at this stage .

It's so sad that they really haven't a clue and nobody has a clue what way it will go. They had the summer to prepare for a blended approach but they would rather cram in students into classrooms and say everything is ok when it clearly isn't.

HeyV · 22-10-2020 11:33PM

MOR316 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/franmcnulty/status/1319400403088400385

Anyone have an image of what this looks like? I’m useless for remembering names but a visual, I can remember

22-10-2020 11:33PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

:mad: methanol poisoning is really serious **** :mad: how did this pass for use for our children ffs.

guys in our gym have had spray all over the weights for weeks.
I read the back and it states clearly, on contact with skin...wash immediately.

Sure look into Quaternary ammonium compounds if you really have time..that will be worse than anything, we'll all end up with asthma!

majcos · 22-10-2020 11:38PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Can someone clarify, are we doing prospective or retrospective tracing currently?

Is all tracing not retrospective from the index case?

Cases that had not been contact traced up to two days ago are being left to alert contacts themselves. The system was ‘reset’ so that HSE tracers are dealing with more recent cases. Terrible that they had fallen behind but the idea of a reset is logical.

If they kept trying to deal with backlog and did not catch up with recent cases, the tracers would be spending time with people whose contacts if positive had already exposed their contacts. If catch and trace more recent cases, then there is opportunity to limit the exposure of the contacts to others before that exposure occurs or if positive, while they are still less likely to be infectious.

awec · 22-10-2020 11:42PM

It seems every day we get some tweet about some place having x number of cases, which is the highest ever number or since the first wave, or yer one talking about it being 100 times more likely you'll catch it now.

Surely, given that testing was a total shambles during wave 1 (remember when you had to display multiple symptoms to even be considered for a test) the real numbers were a lot higher, so comparing case numbers between then and now is impossible? The only thing we can reliably compare is hospitalisations, and even that is a bit dodgy cause at the very start anyone who had it was hospitalised irrespective of how serious they were.

whisky_galore · 22-10-2020 11:46PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

The hour change of the clock should be cancelled.

That's the least of our worries.

MelbourneMan · 22-10-2020 11:46PM

awec wrote: »

It seems every day we get some tweet about some place having x number of cases, which is the highest ever number or since the first wave, or yer one talking about it being 100 times more likely you'll catch it now.

Surely, given that testing was a total shambles during wave 1 (remember when you had to display multiple symptoms to even be considered for a test) the real numbers were a lot higher, so comparing case numbers between then and now is impossible? The only thing we can reliably compare is hospitalisations, and even that is a bit dodgy cause at the very start anyone who had it was hospitalised irrespective of how serious they were.

Hello Ian. Broadly you are correct. For Ireland, the figures indicate that reported cases in the spring were approximately one third of the actual number. I have not studied the equivalent ratio for Ulster, but without quoting me, I feel it is probably similar.

s1ippy · 22-10-2020 11:50PM

As well as sealing the mother and baby home documents, the government also voted today that the eviction ban won't be extended until after the lockdown. So if you're kicked out the day after, you're still gone.

As someone who was evicted recently, the rental market is absolutely shocking right now. It's no joke trying to find somewhere. Where we're living now is falling apart really but we had no choice.

majcos · 22-10-2020 11:52PM

HeyV wrote: »

Anyone have an image of what this looks like? I’m useless for remembering names but a visual, I can remember

This brand in a variety of sizes.

Curious_Case · 22-10-2020 11:54PM

awec wrote: »

It seems every day we get some tweet about some place having x number of cases, which is the highest ever number or since the first wave, or yer one talking about it being 100 times more likely you'll catch it now.

Surely, given that testing was a total shambles during wave 1 (remember when you had to display multiple symptoms to even be considered for a test) the real numbers were a lot higher, so comparing case numbers between then and now is impossible? The only thing we can reliably compare is hospitalisations, and even that is a bit dodgy cause at the very start anyone who had it was hospitalised irrespective of how serious they were.

Exactly, it's like saying "ever since I got my new glasses the windows have been dirtier"

Funsterdelux · 22-10-2020 11:56PM

awec wrote: »

It seems every day we get some tweet about some place having x number of cases, which is the highest ever number or since the first wave, or yer one talking about it being 100 times more likely you'll catch it now.

Surely, given that testing was a total shambles during wave 1 (remember when you had to display multiple symptoms to even be considered for a test) the real numbers were a lot higher, so comparing case numbers between then and now is impossible? The only thing we can reliably compare is hospitalisations, and even that is a bit dodgy cause at the very start anyone who had it was hospitalised irrespective of how serious they were.

The 100 times more likely to catch it was comparing June to now.

Antares35 · 23-10-2020 12:00AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

It's being widened significantly from tomorrow.

In terms of the geographical area it applies to? I think it was just the greater region of Paris to start with alright. OHs family there. His mother is living alone and has underlying conditions. She hasn't met our baby yet either. This while thing is so wearing at times too

Happydays2020 · 23-10-2020 12:00AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a safe and reliable sanitizer. Jesus things are bad enough without having to worry about dodgy sanitizer and methanol poisoning.

I've been using this

https://www.google.com/search?q=Hydropur+Gel+Mains+60ml+Spray&sxsrf=ALeKk03OkN68E_ndw5suWI_uH51lP23kdA:1603407380078&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj698b6pcnsAhVmURUIHSecBYcQ_AUoAXoECAsQAw&biw=1366&bih=657#imgrc=Z-qPC3YG84NsZM

Handmade soap company. https://thehandmadesoapcompany.ie/products/hand-sanitiser-lemongrass-cedarwood-100ml?variant=31941804130367&currency=EUR&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIxJXR6abJ7AIVmpntCh3BRAYAEAQYAiABEgIIp_D_BwE

majcos · 23-10-2020 12:02AM

awec wrote: »

It seems every day we get some tweet about some place having x number of cases, which is the highest ever number or since the first wave, or yer one talking about it being 100 times more likely you'll catch it now.

Surely, given that testing was a total shambles during wave 1 (remember when you had to display multiple symptoms to even be considered for a test) the real numbers were a lot higher, so comparing case numbers between then and now is impossible? The only thing we can reliably compare is hospitalisations, and even that is a bit dodgy cause at the very start anyone who had it was hospitalised irrespective of how serious they were.

Yes. You are right. Comparisons of overall cases numbers are flawed when criteria used to decide who is tested is different. One thousand cases now is probably the equivalent of a few thousand cases in April. But comparison of being 100 times more likely to catch it now was made based on June figures when testing was more widely available versus now.

Hospitalizations are a better comparison but also there are still some differences. It was only for a very short period that everyone was hospitalized. That was quickly stopped as numbers rapidly climbed. Relatively sicker people are discharged now with home monitoring so the relative number of hospitalisations now should be lower.

Probably the most accurate comparison is ICU admissions. Differences in this cohort are much less. Anyone admitted to ICU even in April was tested. Broadly the same criteria will lead to someone being in ICU now as it did six months ago.

Happydays2020 · 23-10-2020 12:03AM

I saw the Schedule for the late late tomorrow and was actually tempted to watch it - https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/1022/1173287-fridays-late-late-show-line-up-revealed/

Then I saw that Holohan will be in so that is a definite tune out. Not that I don’t believe there is a problem but that I need to turn off at some stage.

awec · 23-10-2020 12:03AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

The 100 times more likely to catch it was comparing June to now.

But in June we were still essentially locked down. Social activities, cafes, restaurants etc didn't come until the very end of June.

Again I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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