Des Bishop falls foul of the Traveller lobby

Floppybits · 22-10-2020 4:31pm

dd973 wrote: »

Fancy fighting one then....:D

Have done, made my life hell in school so I had to stand up to him to try put an end to it. Once I did that it was the end of it, got the usual crap "Ah I was only having a laugh", "don't take it so hard", never had any trouble after that.

Played against Traveler teams in GAA, anyone in Dublin will know the team, was always a great to play, it was hard tough match but fair and any fighting that was done was between themselves.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 22-10-2020 4:32pm

A traveler thread lasting longer than a day on boards.

Mods are sliipping.

tayto lover · 22-10-2020 4:35pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Travellers are all gob, facebook and youtube. They are afraid of the dark and box like big girls. They just wallop each other they have no style or form, can be seen on any feud fight. Then they bring out the lead pipes and the billhooks.

I’ve seen this first hand too.
All shouting and roaring but very little fighting skill.
Anyone half decent at defending himself would come out on top in a one to one. But then the whole lot jump in and weapons are used.
They’re better at the call-out videos than they are at the fighting.

Thelonious Monk · 22-10-2020 4:44pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Again using the Graham Dwyer example!e It must mean all middle class settled people commit murder by the logic of some. I am not annoyed I just feel sorry for you. Because if you start viewing the world in terms of 'them' and 'us' your world becomes narrower, there is no nuance and people fail to see people as people. Taking people as they are whoever they are is replaced by use definitive terms such as 'all' instead of 'some' for example.It speaks volumes of an individuals mindset. If I use the same logic as the resentful and bigoted I would hate my own settled people because they robbed me and stole from me. But no traveller has ever done any harm to me. The opposite in fact. Kind and courteous.
But I am not naive and bigoted to say that all travellers or settled people behave in the same way. Even on boards.ie some people might never break the 'don't be a dick' rule, some might break it the odd time, some most of the time. But I would not view ALL boards posters as dicks!

In fairness some cultures in middle class white men have been called out in the last few years. Look at the #metoo movement in Hollywood. Some of these people abusing their power and were rightly called out for it and some even prosecuted.
I mean why aren't feminists in uproar because traveller women are taken out of school at 15 and married to their cousins and kept at home as baby machines? Something like 85% of them suffer domestic abuse I saw in the Irish times. Yet no one wants to talk about this.
They are only human like the rest of us but their very culture and way of life is toxic and leads to women living in Taliban like situations and men killing themselves and dying really young all the time.

Does anyone remember the email forwards that used to go around pre-911 sometime about how women were treated by the Taliban, and we'd all gasp in disgust and horror?

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 5:00pm

dd973 wrote: »

Fancy fighting one then....:D

Shure I would in my prime. I am a bit old for fighting but I would have done Karate and Tae-kwon-do in my youth. I wouldnt back down from one then and I wouldnt back down from one now.

Cashel Mc · 22-10-2020 5:01pm

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

Shocking statement, how very Trump of you. If you said that about any other ethnic group you’d be banned.

Well , too many bad experiences with travellers and my property and work place.
Apologies for causing offence to anyone, but if anyone wants advice, the best thing ever invented is big f off electric gates , seems to stop them now boss.

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 5:03pm

Cashel Mc wrote: »

............ but if anyone wants advice, the best thing ever invented is big f off electric gates , seems to stop them now boss.

and dogs, especially Dobermans and German shepherds

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 5:04pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

A traveler thread lasting longer than a day on boards.

Its hard to silence the truth. Either that or a few mods have been relieved of the belongings

ThewhiteJesus · 22-10-2020 5:07pm

It really amazes me how threads like this are absolutely allowed bash travellers and call them every name under the sun.
But go in any other thread and have a different opinion to the sheep and you get banned.

OscarMIlde · 22-10-2020 5:08pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

if you want to know the real farce regarding tusla and allowances look no further than foster payments.
And let me tell you, travellers are far, far from the worst offenders of the fraud going on in this area.

I'm not saying they are engaged in fraud. However, there are ample statistics that traveller children miss more school days on average than settled children. If there this had knock on consequences on benefits than, then there is a financial incentive to ensure this doesn't happen. Childrens allowance is for the benefit of children, and ensuring equal access to education is one of the most substantial benefits that can be given a child.

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 5:10pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I mean why aren't feminists in uproar because traveller women are taken out of school at 15 and married to their cousins and kept at home as baby machines? Something like 85% of them suffer domestic abuse I saw in the Irish times. Yet no one wants to talk about this.
They are only human like the rest of us but their very culture and way of life is toxic and leads to women living in Taliban like situations and men killing themselves and dying really young all the time.

Traveller women dont have many options and less places to go. They are starting out on a poor foot in education and before options become available they are off and married. If they dont they are seen as "shopsoiled" by the age of 20. If they leave and take on the "Buffer" or settled lifestyle they are shunned by their community. I have seen male travellers in school and they dont fit into the system. They cannot get to grasp with the educational system and how fast it moves. So they just become disruptive.

"If I cant make it, then I will break it!".

I am sure someone is going to point out the odd few that do climb the ladder out of it but they are few and far between.

ThewhiteJesus · 22-10-2020 5:12pm

OscarMIlde wrote: »

I'm not saying they are engaged in fraud. However, there are ample statistics that traveller children miss more school days on average than settled children. If there this had knock on consequences on benefits than, then there is a financial incentive to ensure this doesn't happen. Childrens allowance is for the benefit of children, and ensuring equal access to education is one of the most substantial benefits that can be given a child.

The childrens allowance thing is a weak argument to pin on travellers.
I see plenty of non traveller folk cue up outside the post office every week in town, get the cash and then into the off licence for smokes and booze and probably smack by the looks of some of them.
Who's worse ?

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 5:13pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

It really amazes me how threads like this are absolutely allowed bash travellers and call them every name under the sun.
But go in any other thread and have a different opinion to the sheep and you get banned.

All you have to do is point out what I said that is wrong and you will get an apology, I will prostrate myself before your for your amusement.

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 5:14pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

The childrens allowance thing is a weak argument to pin on travellers.
I see plenty of non traveller folk cue up outside the post office every week in town, get the cash and then into the off licence for smokes and booze and probably smack by the looks of some of them.
Who's worse ?

Their kids are at school that is the main difference.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 22-10-2020 5:15pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

It really amazes me how threads like this are absolutely allowed bash travellers and call them every name under the sun.
But go in any other thread and have a different opinion to the sheep and you get banned.

It’ll be locked any minute now.

They always are.

ThewhiteJesus · 22-10-2020 5:16pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

All you have to do is point out what I said that is wrong and you will get an apology, I will prostrate myself before your for your amusement.

you're ok skooter when you've heard one bigot you've heard them all.

Cashel Mc · 22-10-2020 5:16pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

and dogs, especially Dobermans and German shepherds

They sure be hateing on the dogs.
Sometimes wonder are dogs the only living thing with a bit of authority they actually do respect

ThewhiteJesus · 22-10-2020 5:19pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Travellers are all gob, facebook and youtube. They are afraid of the dark and box like big girls. They just wallop each other they have no style or form, can be seen on any feud fight. Then they bring out the lead pipes and the billhooks.

haha so says the ultimate boards keyboard warrior

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 5:22pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

haha so says the ultimate boards keyboard warrior

Look at the haymakers being thrown, there is no style it is simply about how many blows to the head/body you can take. They spend most of the time hugging each other.

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 5:25pm

Cashel Mc wrote: »

Sometimes wonder are dogs the only living thing with a bit of authority they actually do respect

Its hard to argue with a Doberman when he has you pinned in a corner and he is biting chunks out of your cheap cotton track pants and close to touching bone. Tetanus shots for everyone.

StackSteevens · 22-10-2020 6:04pm

OscarMIlde wrote: »

I'm not saying they are engaged in fraud. However, there are ample statistics that traveller children miss more school days on average than settled children. If there this had knock on consequences on benefits than, then there is a financial incentive to ensure this doesn't happen. Childrens allowance is for the benefit of children, and ensuring equal access to education is one of the most substantial benefits that can be given a child.

Denis Naughton tried to push this idea when he was a Cabinet Minister and was almost deafened by the howls of outrage from both the Opposition and a range of taxpayer funded bodied with an interest in so-called human rights!

jmayo · 22-10-2020 6:42pm

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

The
It would be OK if this was said but the clear implication was ALL. to drink and so on. In fact one of the statements Des made used the word ALL in relation to social welfare. Which is wrong by any reasonable persons definition.

No, I am merely saying to judge a person because (a certain cohort associated with them culturally) have behaved badly in the past is wrong. Much as many of your county men who emigrated to the USA and UK and were stereotyped as fighting drunks.

And yes a fair few of them were like that.
But a lot of them put their heads down and worked damn hard to achieve something.
Lots of them achieved legitimate success and wealth, eventually gaining positions of prominence within society.
One of them that emigrated in the early 20th century had a descendant that became US ambassador to Ireland a few years back.
And one of them will have a descendant hopefully in charge in the White House in a month or two.

Not bad for a supposed bunch of fighting drunks, ehhh.

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

For the record I believe it is wrong to stereotype one group on the actions of a few and imply ALL. Similar to saying that ALL the past members of the Mayo football team since 1951 were bottlers. It would be wrong and it is clear it was only some/many who let others down - not all.

Well maybe if we didn't have to face the most professional team with the most financial clout ever in the history of the GAA, then we might have won a few.

You were the one that dragged Mayo GAA into this, just remember that.

AUDI20 · 22-10-2020 7:00pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Tommy Tiernan, now theres a man who could tell a joke about travellers, and get away with it

In fairness Tommy could tell a joke about anyone and get away with it.

Mad_maxx · 22-10-2020 7:07pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness some cultures in middle class white men have been called out in the last few years. Look at the #metoo movement in Hollywood. Some of these people abusing their power and were rightly called out for it and some even prosecuted.
I mean why aren't feminists in uproar because traveller women are taken out of school at 15 and married to their cousins and kept at home as baby machines? Something like 85% of them suffer domestic abuse I saw in the Irish times. Yet no one wants to talk about this.
They are only human like the rest of us but their very culture and way of life is toxic and leads to women living in Taliban like situations and men killing themselves and dying really young all the time.

Does anyone remember the email forwards that used to go around pre-911 sometime about how women were treated by the Taliban, and we'd all gasp in disgust and horror?

because feminists are nearly always to the last woman ( and man ) card carrying PC merchants , this means while they can lambast " white men " till the cows come home , they turned a blind eye to grievous examples of misogyny from the traveller and of course islamic community

Mad_maxx · 22-10-2020 7:11pm

ThewhiteJesus wrote: »

The childrens allowance thing is a weak argument to pin on travellers.
I see plenty of non traveller folk cue up outside the post office every week in town, get the cash and then into the off licence for smokes and booze and probably smack by the looks of some of them.
Who's worse ?

its endemic within " the traveller community "

statistics are horrendous across the board when it comes to them and despite massive amounts of tax payer money having been thrown at them this past three decades , things are worse than ever

they are a professional victim class at this stage with many vested interests earning a very decent living from this grim freak show , not to mention the endlessly fertile ground for virtue signalling , Des Bishop apology is just another weekly example of this rank hypocrasy

jelutong · 22-10-2020 7:30pm

Any hints on how to tell a good traveller from the other type ? It’s just that I need a barn painted and I’d hate to get stung.

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 7:51pm

jelutong wrote: »

Any hints on how to tell a good traveller from the other type ? It’s just that I need a barn painted and I’d hate to get stung.

I am not touching this one.....

lawrencesummers · 22-10-2020 7:52pm

The gas thing about this is that Dea actually lived with travellers for a time, he has first hand knowledge of them and still said what he said.

Unlike most people he actually knows from the inside what he is talking about.

skooterblue2 · 22-10-2020 8:03pm

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The gas thing about this is that Dea actually lived with travellers for a time, he has first hand knowledge of them and still said what he said.

Unlike most people he actually knows from the inside what he is talking about.

We dont need inside experience..... from the outside has been enough.
My wife watches these stupid instagram videos: I am going to slightly modify it
It goes some thing like this:
"Put one finger up if you had a halting site on your land
put one finger up if you have seen a horse skid on the road during a sulkie race
Put one finger up if you have seen a group of traveller robbing in shop
Put one finger up if you have a dog robbed for a fight
put one finger up if you or a friend had their van of tools robbed
Put one finger down if you married your cousin
Put one finger down if you finished school before the junior cert
Put one finger down if you or your fella have been in da 'Joy.
Put one finger down if your first interview was with a guard and it wasnt to join the force.
Put one finger down if your main employer is the department of Social Welfare.

Cashel Mc · 22-10-2020 8:06pm

jelutong wrote: »

Any hints on how to tell a good traveller from the other type ? It’s just that I need a barn painted and I’d hate to get stung.

You can tell by the van
Sign writing on the van with mobile number only - good
Van with hi vis chevrons on the rear and highway maintenance- bad
Actually how come these upstanding business men never have an address on the van , like most tradesmen?

Des Bishop falls foul of the Traveller lobby

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