Schools closed until February? (part 3)

Thats me wrote: »

They tends to not survive if thing turns to be hard. Every 1 of 9 5-14 yrs old patients requires ICU admission if hospitalised. For comparison for 15-24 yrs age group it is ~ 1 of 20, for 25-34 yrs age group - 1 of 15. You can check this out on p.8 of this document.

BTW, at which level of mortality ratio you would start worrying about your own child?

Firstly those figures are only for positive cases.
The figures are much lower when you take the unknown of asymptomatic cases into it.

One study had the mortality rate at .0009 when widespread testing was included which had high levels of asymptomatic cases associated.
The mortality rate for flu was just over 4% for that same age group.

So you decide what mortality rate your happy to close schools at? Because if it’s good enough for 4% then it’s good enough for .0009%

khalessi wrote: »

Correction some lives go on


As pointed out before, kids get it and most are not affected, some are, but they can and do pass on to those who are vunerable such as family friends, and staff in schools.

And as I pointed out before those vulnerable people should be isolated.

wirelessdude01 wrote:

That has to be a family decision.

Please be aware that according to the guidelines as dictated by the department that these children are not entitled to any support in any way.

This is more horrific decision making by the clowns in the government, HSE and department of education.

wirelessdude01 wrote:

Just this week a school in Kerry was ordered to stop facilitating the provision of such support.

Unbelievable. How is our country so bad?

eagle eye wrote: »

She should be assisted by those in charge. There should be provisions in place for people like that.

But as it stands there isn't so once again the lady in question has a choice to make.

Question, are the children currently attending school?

appledrop wrote:

Tusla have FAQ on their website + unless its the child that's very high risk according to them child must attend school. Doesnt matter to them if family member is very high risk.

Andvm this is why I'm saying we clowns in government, the department of education and the HSE.

jrosen wrote:

No way has she a right to that answer. Could you imagine? the school tell her its safe and her child catches covid, or they tell her its not and she's looking for her child to have on line support/home learning when the teacher is on site teaching already. its a loose loose for the school.

We have to protect all our citizens.

Thats me wrote: »

You completely missing a point. Of course this is positive cases only, and not simply positive case - and this was highlighed in bold - it is cases when the children were admitted to hospital.




You are missing a point again. In the document which i have referred - number of deaths in this age group is zero. You think if child didn't die - all is fine? ICU means severe damage to the body, probably unrecoverable.



I strongly believe schools should be closed at Level 5. But not because of mortality rate. Just because going to L5 having schools open is a nonsense.

Closing the schools for an illness that doesn’t kill anyone (it does, but only a tiny amount) is the only nonsense I can see, when you are never closing the schools for any of the illnesses that do actually results in deaths.

lawrencesummers wrote:

Closing the schools for an illness that doesn’t kill anyone (it does, but only a tiny amount) is the only nonsense I can see, when you are never closing the schools for any of the illnesses that do actually results in deaths.

What about those, many asymptomatics, who suffer from long covid? Roughly about the same amount as deaths.
Should our government be responsible for those people?

wirelessdude01 wrote:

Not brushing over anything.

You are staying fact s that I already know. I'm discussing the mismanagement of the situation.

Thats me wrote: »

You completely missing a point. Of course this is positive cases only, and not simply positive case - and this was highlighed in bold - it is cases when the children were admitted to hospital.




You are missing a point again. In the document which i have referred - number of deaths in this age group is zero. You think if child didn't die - all is fine? ICU means severe damage to the body, probably unrecoverable.



I strongly believe schools should be closed at Level 5. But not because of mortality rate. Just because going to L5 having schools open is a nonsense.

That would mean closing schools for 6 weeks. Then in the new year close them again. That is not sustainable.
Plenty of European countries have incidence higher than ours and schools are still open.
Of course there is a risk, but it is small.
Education, in a school setting, is essential for vast majority of our kids. Online/hybrid teaching may work for short term fixes but not in the longer term. We can't depend on a vaccine so long term situation has to be planned for.
Robust contact tracing is required with localised closures if needed. More transparency as well. Schools are risky so govt needs to be honest.

Maybe more could be for vulnerable children/families but I feel the overall education system should be kept functioning.

irishblessing wrote: »

None of those other illnesses overwhelm health systems.

Stop talking sense

eagle eye wrote: »

What about those, many asymptomatics, who suffer from long covid? Roughly about the same amount as deaths.
Should our government be responsible for those people?

If it is roughly the same number as deaths then it’s minuscule, which if you want to advocate for a closure at that level the don’t be a hypocrite and advocate for a closure during the flu season.

eagle eye wrote: »

Our government are responsible for protecting all citizens.

So where does personal responsibility come into anything?

irishblessing wrote: »

1. I can't read that article, its paywalled. Maybe quote it further and then explain your point?

2. I'll go with the fact that countries all around the world are grappling with this virus have either already had their health systems overwhelmed at one point, and/or are struggling to prevent it from happening. Health care workers all over the world have been getting sick, dying, and living with exhaustion. Give over.
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I am not interested in *lawrencesummers on boards* definition of overwhelmed.
:rolleyes:

When over 600 people are on trolleys the health system is overwhelmed.
It’s an annual occurrence during January because of flu.