Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

eagle eye · 22-10-2020 11:37AM

harr wrote:

The problem with golf is not walking around the course on your own it the groups of normally lads who would get together and play and probably car pool to drive to the course I would presume club house would need to be open as well .. same goes for swimming pool , most have have an hourâ€™s session at a time so it would mean a lot of people using changing rooms at same time.

You share a ball in tennis even outdoors.
No need for a clubhouse to be open for golf. No need to car pool either. I'm struggling to find an issue with playing golf.
Swimming pools in Ireland are indoors so there's a problem.

22-10-2020 11:37AM

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Why did they leave Cavan out?

They didn't do anything. I didn't include Cavan. I included notional and Dublin originally. Added Donegal by request, Cork by request and Galway because I live there. I can add Cavan, but in a few days Cavan will be falling and somewhere else rising. Including all counties would be a bit of an eye chart.

Thierry12 · 22-10-2020 11:40AM

rafi bomb wrote: »

The more I think of it the more I think this lockdown wont do much. So much still open.

I was very militant during the last lockdown and I am considering still visiting my partner who is about 10KM away so if I am considering that the people who were less likely to comply the first time must not even consider sticking to it this time

They can easily make it work

PCR Tests are at a sensitivity of close to 40 now I believe

Drop that to low 30's you'd catch 4-5 times less positives

Don't put anything past this to Government to not be proved wrong ;-)

copeyhagen · 22-10-2020 11:41AM

Maxpfizer wrote: »

To say Grafton Street was dead is a flat out lie and if that video was shot down the bottom end of Grafton then it is probably legit. It was getting busy down there just after 7pm for sure.

my uncle owns a shop on grafton st, shut it at 6pm as grafton st was dead, as I said before.

so whos lying

JimToken · 22-10-2020 11:41AM

manniot2 wrote: »

Donnelly boasting about us "leading the way in Europe". Is he fooking mental or just stupid.

'Leading the way'

It's one of those phrases advertisers use

It can never be proven you're not doing it

Eod100 · 22-10-2020 11:41AM

Guess it's easier to extend and roll back if needed than constantly extend it but still seems like we're in this for the long haul

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1319226660286320641

quokula · 22-10-2020 11:41AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I was also very strict with everything up until now i suppose, being told to continue working in school with 700 close contacts and in the same breath telling me i cant travel outside 5km to go mountain biking in the woods by myself is not sitting too well. Its the whole mixed message that they are sending out, this thing is okay but this is not even though it should be.

Depriving you of mountain biking in the woods isn't depriving the entire nation's children of their education though. And if they allow mountain biking in the woods and nothing else, then those woods are going to get very crowded. So they better allow other things in other places. And next thing you know there's no point in the lockdown at all.

Turtwig · 22-10-2020 11:42AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did didn't do anything. I didn't include Cavan. I included notional and Dublin originally. Added Donegal by request, Cork by request and Galway because I live there. I can add Cavan, but in a few days Cavan will be falling and somewhere else rising. Including all counties would be a bit of an eye chart.

Out of curiosity with Cavans rate being so high how long do you think it would have taken for their cases to flatten due to lack of available uninfected hosts?

rafi bomb · 22-10-2020 11:43AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

I was also very strict with everything up until now i suppose, being told to continue working in school with 700 close contacts and in the same breath telling me i cant travel outside 5km to go mountain biking in the woods by myself is not sitting too well. Its the whole mixed message that they are sending out, this thing is okay but this is not even though it should be.

That is another thing. Schools still open and work still on ( as it seems everywhere has classed themselves as essential apart from pubs, gyms and clothes shops) but you cant see 1 other person.

You would get more buy in if you could do the a household bubble with one other household

CIARAN_BOYLE · 22-10-2020 11:44AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

my uncle owns a shop on grafton st, shut it at 6pm as grafton st was dead, as I said before.

so whos lying

Who knows. Maybe you are looking at the wrong times. Maybe things picked up after your uncle shut up shop.

One person is talking about a packed grafton street at 7PM. You say your uncle saw a quiet grafton street at 6PM. Both of those could be true without any lying.

quokula · 22-10-2020 11:45AM

eagle eye wrote: »

You share a ball in tennis even outdoors.
No need for a clubhouse to be open for golf. No need to car pool either. I'm struggling to find an issue with playing golf.
Swimming pools in Ireland are indoors so there's a problem.

If the government closed everything but Golf the populist parties would have a field day.

KrustyUCC · 22-10-2020 11:46AM

manniot2 wrote: »

Donnelly boasting about us "leading the way in Europe". Is he fooking mental or just stupid.

Best boys in the class again woohoo

First to go for a second national lockdown of over a month

Probably the slowest country to ease restrictions in Europe the first time around

Expect the same if not worse this time

Icyseanfitz · 22-10-2020 11:47AM

quokula wrote: »

Depriving you of mountain biking in the woods isn't depriving the entire nation's children of their education though. And if they allow mountain biking in the woods and nothing else, then those woods are going to get very crowded. So they better allow other things in other places. And next thing you know there's no point in the lockdown at all.

getting out by myself on a bike for 2 hours is literally the only thing keeping me sane going into work in school at the moment, i live in a rural part of ireland so my sport doesnt draw huge crowds.

quokula · 22-10-2020 11:48AM

Turtwig wrote: »

Out of curiosity with Cavans rate being so high how long do you think it would have taken for their cases to flatten due to lack of available uninfected hosts?

It's extremely high, but there's still 99 uninfected for every infected.

I suspect the standard 60-70% you need for herd immunity is a lot lower in the current world though. For herd immunity it needs 60-70% of people who are either a) frontline workers and in regular contact with the public by necessity or b) people who ignore the rules. Which you'd expect might be closer to 10% of the total population at a wild guess.

quokula · 22-10-2020 11:50AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

getting out by myself on a bike for 2 hours is literally the only thing keeping me sane going into work in school at the moment, i live in a rural part of ireland so my sport doesnt draw huge crowds.

If it was the only thing anyone in the country was allowed to do then the crowds would get pretty big pretty fast. Which means other things would have to open, which means bye bye lockdown, hello health service collapse.

stephenjmcd · 22-10-2020 11:51AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Guess it's easier to extend and roll back if needed than constantly extend it but still seems like we're in this for the long haul

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1319226660286320641

All that does is save a signature every few weeks, lazy really but can easily be rolled back.

There was a period of 24hrs i think in September where they forgot to sign in the continuation of the health act so technically for 24hrs pubs in Dublin for example could have opened and nothing could have been done about it.

All this does is extend out the deadline that was signed previously of 9th November. The level 5 stuff on fines etc remains until 1st December so without the act itself being extended out then everything ceases on the 9th.

castletownman · 22-10-2020 11:53AM

They'll probably blame the GAA for that Grafton St. video as well

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 11:55AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Other countries are managing to switch to online schooling, at least in part. Why can't we? This all or nothing narrative that we need to have schools open as normal or kids are going to be deprived of their education doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

It wouldn't be easy, but nothing about this whole situation is easy.

We don't have one, we don't have the broadband infrastructure and there's little short term possibility of getting either plus it's of no great use for the small ones.

wirelessdude01 · 22-10-2020 11:56AM

See that doctor who tweeted about the care home is now on Claire Byrne. The nurse in the care home has been on duty on her own for 73hrs straight.

The nurse and owner have been intouch with the HSE to get help and have beentold there is none available. No relief staff can be sourced is what they have been told

BringBackMick · 22-10-2020 11:56AM

Horrendous story there on Claire Byrne

Im sure there will be some nurses down this evening though

Turtwig · 22-10-2020 11:56AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

All that does is save a signature every few weeks, lazy really but can easily be rolled back.

There was a period of 24hrs i think in September where they forgot to sign in the continuation of the health act so technically for 24hrs pubs in Dublin for example could have opened and nothing could have been done about it.

I think this is about conditioning the public that's it's going to be the long haul. The language from government has changed considerably in the past few days.

Eod100 · 22-10-2020 11:57AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

All that does is save a signature every few weeks, lazy really but can easily be rolled back.

There was a period of 24hrs i think in September where they forgot to sign in the continuation of the health act so technically for 24hrs pubs in Dublin for example could have opened and nothing could have been done about it.

All this does is extend out the deadline that was signed previously of 9th November. The level 5 stuff on fines etc remains until 1st December so without the act itself being extended out then everything ceases on the 9th.

Yup that's what I thought alright. That said Martin did say virus will be with us for 2021 too. Unless a vaccine gets mass distributed before then or treatment gets developed quickly that seems inevitable.

22-10-2020 11:57AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

See that doctor who tweeted about the care home is now on Claire Byrne. The nurse in the care home has been on duty on her own for 73hrs straight.

The nurse and owner have been intouch with the HSE to get help and have beentold there is none available. No relief staff can be sourced is what they have been told

That is horrendously sad.

Eod100 · 22-10-2020 11:58AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

See that doctor who tweeted about the care home is now on Claire Byrne. The nurse in the care home has been on duty on her own for 73hrs straight.

The nurse and owner have been intouch with the HSE to get help and have beentold there is none available. No relief staff can be sourced is what they have been told

It's horrific. Was promised that this would never happen again and yet it has.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 11:59AM

Turtwig wrote: »

I think this is about conditioning the public that's it's going to be the long haul. The language from government has changed considerably in the past few days.

In that case they also need to come up with a far better plan with metrics, otherwise we'll have have half a dozen more pre-emptive strikes between now and June.

wirelessdude01 · 22-10-2020 12:00PM

Eod100 wrote: »

It's horrific. Was promised that this would never happen again and yet it has.

This is the breaking of the dam. Expect similar stories to start emerging.

SleetAndSnow · 22-10-2020 12:02PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

See that doctor who tweeted about the care home is now on Claire Byrne. The nurse in the care home has been on duty on her own for 73hrs straight.

The nurse and owner have been intouch with the HSE to get help and have beentold there is none available. No relief staff can be sourced is what they have been told

73 hours?? That is disgraceful, the poor nurse. They deserve far far better then that

tobefrank321 · 22-10-2020 12:02PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

See that doctor who tweeted about the care home is now on Claire Byrne. The nurse in the care home has been on duty on her own for 73hrs straight.

The nurse and owner have been intouch with the HSE to get help and have beentold there is none available. No relief staff can be sourced is what they have been told

So much for "on call for Ireland". A big PR con job from government and HSE.

Lions led by donkeys very much comes to mind.

Plumbthedepths · 22-10-2020 12:06PM

Don't worry lads there will be a tribunal of enquiry into the handling and response to the present crisis. I going to hazard a guess at the outcomes ,systematic failures, lessons will be learned and our friends from the King's Inn have their economic recovery fast tracked. Happy days.

Icyseanfitz · 22-10-2020 12:09PM

quokula wrote: »

If it was the only thing anyone in the country was allowed to do then the crowds would get pretty big pretty fast. Which means other things would have to open, which means bye bye lockdown, hello health service collapse.

yet gaa (even intercounty) is perfectly acceptable :mad: they can fcuk off in my opinion, ill find a loophole to let me travel within my county and ill use it. They want their cake and to eat it with us working in schools, throw us completely under the buss with regards to safety and indoor numbers, and then stop us doing anything outside of 5km when we finally get home, i need to exercise or i wont be able to keep working to be honest.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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