Nursing Home Scandal Coming Again

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:32am #1

https://twitter.com/DrMartinDaly/status/1319199973104373760?s=19

This Govt need stopped before they ruin us for good.

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:38am

Gervais08 wrote: »

You have no clue what you are taking about.

Yes I do, Stephen Donnelly as Minister for Health, a lead role in the Govt should have been on top of this after what happened at the start of the pandemic. They failed the nation again

Chances are if they are still in power, once this pandemic is over they will try hide all the files

SEPT 23 1989 · 22-10-2020 10:42am

When this is all over there should be trials not tribunals

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:43am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

When this is all over there should be trials not tribunals

Please God

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 10:45am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Yes I do, Stephen Donnelly as Minister for Health, a lead role in the Govt should have been on top of this after what happened at the start of the pandemic. They failed the nation again

Chances are if they are still in power, once this pandemic is over they will try hide all the files

If it's a public home it's the HSE, it's if private it's HIQA. How did the care home not notice until now what a huge problem they had?

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 10:46am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

When this is all over there should be trials not tribunals

Witch trials, like?

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:46am

is_that_so wrote: »

If it's a public home it's the HSE, it's if private it's HIQA. How did the care home not notice until now what a huge problem they had?

They did and contacted the HSE. HSE has no help available for them

The Govt promised this would not happen

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 10:49am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

They did and contacted the HSE. HSE has no help available for them

The Govt promised this would not happen

According to a tweet by a GP. HSE Live closes at 8 anyway. Didn't they have any other numbers? I know someone who's been on call since April for nursing home issues and I doubt they are alone.

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:55am

is_that_so wrote: »

According to a tweet by a GP. HSE Live closes at 8 anyway. Didn't they have any other numbers? I know someone who's been on call since April for nursing home issues and I doubt they are alone.

Defend the Govt at all angles, I admire your stance

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 10:58am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Defend the Govt at all angles, I admire your stance

It's the HSE or HIQA if you're looking to blame someone. They approve and oversee care homes.

ohnonotgmail · 22-10-2020 10:59am

is_that_so wrote: »

It's the HSE or HIQA if you're looking to blame someone. They approve and oversee care homes.

remind me who is responsible for the HSE?

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:59am

is_that_so wrote: »

It's the HSE or HIQA if you're looking to blame someone. They approve and oversee care homes.

Minister Donnelly as Minister for Health should be on top of this, again he hasn't a clue

The Govt promised they had a plan and this would not happen again, it's happened

Govt at fault as well as HSE or HIQA

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 11:02am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Defend the Govt at all angles, I admire your stance

Amazing to see a Sinn Fein follower defending the interests of private sector organisations who have destroyed lives and whose incompetence has resulted in the deaths of so many people.

The HSE didn't bring the virus into the nursing home, the staff or visitors did, and they did so under whatever protocols the owner and management put in place. The HSE didn't sit on their hands until 26 of the 28 residents were infected and then run crying for help to the outside.

It really looks like a situation where the owners, management and staff thought they could keep it hidden and under control and have now panicked when they lost control.

Blaming the HSE and the government is just a silly cheap shot on your part.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 11:03am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

remind me who is responsible for the HSE?

The CEO! Dail committees can haul him in to explain. Kind of hard to blame the MoH for an event he didn't actually cause much as people love to get on that ultimate responsibility bandwagon.

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 11:04am

blanch152 wrote: »

Amazing to see a Sinn Fein follower defending the interests of private sector organisations who have destroyed lives and whose incompetence has resulted in the deaths of so many people.

The HSE didn't bring the virus into the nursing home, the staff or visitors did, and they did so under whatever protocols the owner and management put in place. The HSE didn't sit on their hands until 26 of the 28 residents were infected and then run crying for help to the outside.

It really looks like a situation where the owners, management and staff thought they could keep it hidden and under control and have now panicked when they lost control.

Blaming the HSE and the government is just a silly cheap shot on your part.

The Govt promised us they wouldn't allow something like this to happen again. They failed

I'd say FG will stay quiet on this and let Donnelly get ripped apart. Can't see him lasting another week

ohnonotgmail · 22-10-2020 11:04am

is_that_so wrote: »

The CEO! Dail committees can haul him in to explain. Kind of hard to blame the MoH for an event he didn't actually cause much as people love to get on that ultimate responsibility bandwagon.

very easy to blame the MOH. he promised help for nursing homes and none has been forthcoming.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 11:05am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Minister Donnelly as Minister for Health should be on top of this, again he hasn't a clue

The Govt promised they had a plan and this would not happen again, it's happened

Govt at fault as well as HSE or HIQA

Now I agree on Donnelly but the HSE and HIQA run their own things. The Dail and Dail committees are the ones who judge them. MoH just hires and fires people and writes the cheques.

timmyntc · 22-10-2020 11:06am

blanch152 wrote: »

Amazing to see a Sinn Fein follower defending the interests of private sector organisations who have destroyed lives and whose incompetence has resulted in the deaths of so many people.

The HSE didn't bring the virus into the nursing home, the staff or visitors did, and they did so under whatever protocols the owner and management put in place. The HSE didn't sit on their hands until 26 of the 28 residents were infected and then run crying for help to the outside.

It really looks like a situation where the owners, management and staff thought they could keep it hidden and under control and have now panicked when they lost control.

Blaming the HSE and the government is just a silly cheap shot on your part.

Do we know that it's a private nursing home?

Also, what likely happened is infections started in the home, staff got it and couldnt work, now they are understaffed and have a massive number of sick people inside in the home. HSE or Dept of Health should have had some contingencies in place for when this happens - some staff to be redeployed to help covid stricken nursing homes at least

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 11:08am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

very easy to blame the MOH. he promised help for nursing homes and none has been forthcoming.

I was promised things by Santa and I don't blame him for not delivering them!
One can blame politicians for making large sweeping promises but they are not the ones who'll actually implement them.

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 11:08am

timmyntc wrote: »

Do we know that it's a private nursing home?

Also, what likely happened is infections started in the home, staff got it and couldnt work, now they are understaffed and have a massive number of sick people inside in the home. HSE or Dept of Health should have had some contingencies in place for when this happens - some staff to be redeployed to help covid stricken nursing homes at least

Not only should they have had, they promised us they would have contingencies in place

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 11:09am

is_that_so wrote: »

I was promised things by Santa and I don't blame him for not delivering them!
One can blame politicians for making large sweeping promises but they are not the ones who'll actually implement them.

Wow making jokes of it now, that's the FF/FG way

ohnonotgmail · 22-10-2020 11:09am

is_that_so wrote: »

I was promised things by Santa and I don't blame him for not delivering them!
One can blame politicians for making large sweeping promises but they are not the ones who'll actually implement them.

so the person with the authority makes promises but should not be blamed when those promises are not fulfilled? what a world we live in.

suicide_circus · 22-10-2020 11:12am

Modern medicine is a wonderful thing and it keeps us alive long after we're capable of looking after ourselves.There was always going to be some negative consequences for sticking our old people into institutions en masse. Covid in nursing homes is not unique to Ireland.

average_runner · 22-10-2020 11:13am

Down home where one of my parents are in a nursing home, the staff are tested every week. Its a private nursing home.
Did the staff not show any symptoms? What protocols were broken for this to happen?

ohnonotgmail · 22-10-2020 11:14am

suicide_circus wrote: »

Modern medicine is a wonderful thing and it keeps us alive long after we're capable of looking after ourselves.There was always going to be some negative consequences for sticking our old people into institutions en masse. Covid in nursing homes is not unique to Ireland.

it certainly isn't. the danger is well known. which makes it even worse that the HSE have no contingencies in place for it.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 11:16am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so the person with the authority makes promises but should not be blamed when those promises are not fulfilled? what a world we live in.

Politicians promise, it's what they do. They may want to see it occur but they can't guarantee it will happen. The person with the authority is Paul Reid. Whether there are failings on the HSE/Govt side is not clear from a irate tweet but that doesn't mean the care home is blameless.

ohnonotgmail · 22-10-2020 11:17am

is_that_so wrote: »

Politicians promise, it's what they do. They may want to see it occur but they can't guarantee it will happen. The person with the authority is Paul Reid. Whether there are failings on the HSE/Govt side is not clear from a irate tweet but that doesn't mean the care home is blameless.

the person with the authority is the minister.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 11:17am

average_runner wrote: »

Down home where one of my parents are in a nursing home, the staff are tested every week. Its a private nursing home.
Did the staff not show any symptoms? What protocols were broken for this to happen?

Yep and public ones are being done every two weeks. There are questions here for the care home itself.

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 11:19am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The Govt promised us they wouldn't allow something like this to happen again. They failed

I'd say FG will stay quiet on this and let Donnelly get ripped apart. Can't see him lasting another week

The Government doesn't control everything that happens in a nursing home.

If there is an incompetent owner and management of a nursing home, while Sinn Fein will defend them, it is not the responsibility of anyone else.

ohnonotgmail · 22-10-2020 11:21am

blanch152 wrote: »

The Government doesn't control everything that happens in a nursing home.

If there is an incompetent owner and management of a nursing home, while Sinn Fein will defend them, it is not the responsibility of anyone else.

the HSE was supposed to have contingencies in place for this scenario. that is in the control of the government.

average_runner · 22-10-2020 11:23am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the HSE was supposed to have contingencies in place for this scenario. that is in the control of the government.

But the HSE can't do 24/7 inspections either. A nursing home is responsible for itself at the end of the day.

Need the full facts to this story, how did it happen and why?

22-10-2020 11:24am

Imagine that, the Minister for Health has no control over what is, or isn't, happening in nursing homes.

What exactly is within his remit as, thus far, he has done the square root of **** all.

ohnonotgmail · 22-10-2020 11:27am

average_runner wrote: »

But the HSE can't do 24/7 inspections either. A nursing home is responsible for itself at the end of the day.

Need the full facts to this story, how did it happen and why?

indeed we do need the full facts. but even if the nursing home mistakes (and it is entirely possible it did ) the HSE is supposed to have contingencies in place to mitigate the situation.

average_runner · 22-10-2020 11:28am

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine that, the Minister for Health has no control over what is, or isn't, happening in nursing homes.

What exactly is within his remit as, thus far, he has done the square root of **** all.

Its like saying the CEO of Tesco Worldwide is responsible if someone breaks protocol in a tesco in Kerry.

timmyntc · 22-10-2020 11:30am

blanch152 wrote: »

The Government doesn't control everything that happens in a nursing home.

If there is an incompetent owner and management of a nursing home, while Sinn Fein will defend them, it is not the responsibility of anyone else.

What has Sinn Fein got to do with this?

If the nursing home is hit hard by covid, the department of Health is supposed to have some supports it can lend to help the residents of that home.

We're told that the home have reached out to HSE for help, and have been ignored. So in your mind that's fair and equitable treatment - because it's an (allegedly) incompetent owner? :rolleyes:

Harry Palmr · 22-10-2020 11:31am

The HSE hasn't boosted the ICU capacity why should we think they'll have done anything significant about old people behind high walls? The entire nursing home system needs bringing under a single body within the Dept of Health but not the HSE.

Whatever the current population is it'll only get bigger in the next 20-30 years.

average_runner · 22-10-2020 11:32am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

indeed we do need the full facts. but even if the nursing home mistakes (and it is entirely possible it did ) the HSE is supposed to have contingencies in place to mitigate the situation.

Contingencies only work if it is reported in time, we need to know what happened here?

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 11:32am

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine that, the Minister for Health has no control over what is, or isn't, happening in nursing homes.

What exactly is within his remit as, thus far, he has done the square root of **** all.

He's following the lead from Simon Harris who refused to even answer emails from the nursing homes

average_runner · 22-10-2020 11:32am

Harry Palmr wrote: »

The HSE hasn't boosted the ICU capacity why should we think they'll have done anything significant about old people behind high walls? The entire nursing home system needs bringing under a single body within the Dept of Health but not the HSE.

Whatever the current population is it'll only get bigger in the next 20-30 years.

And that will change things how? Government depts are useless and only waste money

Harry Palmr · 22-10-2020 11:35am

average_runner wrote: »

And that will change things how? Government depts are useless and only waste money

Well who would you give the oversight to?

ohnonotgmail · 22-10-2020 11:37am

average_runner wrote: »

Contingencies only work if it is reported in time, we need to know what happened here?

there should be contingency no matter when it is reported. according to the nursing home the HSE have not even responded to them

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 11:49am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there should be contingency no matter when it is reported. according to the nursing home the HSE have not even responded to them

According to the tweet of the doctor who said he talked to them!

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 12:00pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

indeed we do need the full facts. but even if the nursing home mistakes (and it is entirely possible it did ) the HSE is supposed to have contingencies in place to mitigate the situation.

If you were a nursing home owner that had infected 26 of your 28 residents with Covid-19, wouldn't you be looking around for someone else to blame?

The OP appears to be foolish enough to fall for it without any question in a giddy rush to find something to blame the government for.

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 12:03pm

blanch152 wrote: »

If you were a nursing home owner that had infected 26 of your 28 residents with Covid-19, wouldn't you be looking around for someone else to blame?

The OP appears to be foolish enough to fall for it without any question in a giddy rush to find something to blame the government for.

Deflect.

sydthebeat · 22-10-2020 12:05pm

HSE management are not fit for purpose and are bumblers. we have seen this year in year out.

why do we expect anything different

McMurphy · 22-10-2020 12:06pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Amazing to see a Sinn Fein follower defending the interests of private sector organisations who have destroyed lives and whose incompetence has resulted in the deaths of so many people.

The HSE didn't bring the virus into the nursing home, the staff or visitors did, and they did so under whatever protocols the owner and management put in place. The HSE didn't sit on their hands until 26 of the 28 residents were infected and then run crying for help to the outside.

It really looks like a situation where the owners, management and staff thought they could keep it hidden and under control and have now panicked when they lost control.

Blaming the HSE and the government is just a silly cheap shot on your part.

Straight in with the.

Sinn Fein Sinn Fein Sinn Fein Sinn Fein Sinn Fein Sinn Fein Sinn Fein

Sinn Fein on the membrane, Sinn Fein on the brain. I'd see someone about that blanch can't be good for your mind.

Sofa King Great · 22-10-2020 12:15pm

This comes down to the state passing the healthcare of our elderly to the private sector.

However, other questions need to be asked - when did the 26 patients test positive? When did the staff test positive?

Presumably there was a lead time between getting a test appointment and getting a diagnosis- was an issue raised then?

What protocols were breached that allowed this to occur?

If the HSE send staff, will the private owner (assuming its a private NH) have to pay for it? Or when this is all over will the owner go back to creaming profits off it again?

ohnonotgmail · 22-10-2020 12:29pm

blanch152 wrote: »

If you were a nursing home owner that had infected 26 of your 28 residents with Covid-19, wouldn't you be looking around for someone else to blame?

The OP appears to be foolish enough to fall for it without any question in a giddy rush to find something to blame the government for.

there is plenty of blame to go around.

Dravokivich · 22-10-2020 12:32pm

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

The Govt promised us they wouldn't allow something like this to happen again. They failed

I'd say FG will stay quiet on this and let Donnelly get ripped apart. Can't see him lasting another week

Are you asking the Government to create an indentured workforce that they can control and place where ever needed?

Beasty · 22-10-2020 12:38pm

Moved from Current Affairs

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 12:45pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

HSE management are not fit for purpose and are bumblers. we have seen this year in year out.

why do we expect anything different

We expected different because the Govts defenders on here have told us they were doing it right and any wrongs would be fixed.

Guess we are the stupid ones for beleving it all

Nursing Home Scandal Coming Again

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