Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Paddygreen · 22-10-2020 10:51AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Out of curiosity what do you think would be the health outcome for people in a collapsed economy, healthier?

Prince Charles said it would be grand. The WEF “Great Reset” he heavily promotes will fix everything including racism and climate change. Nothing to worry about guys.

eagle eye · 22-10-2020 10:52AM

is_that_so wrote:

He's a GP, who got a call from someone. This may not be untrue but it does make you wonder where he's going with it, apart from outrage.

Well I know the man personally. An absolute gentleman and very popular as he works with the Roscommon county football team. If you ever see a match on tv you'll see him on the field dealing with injured players. He's based in Ballygar which is in Galway on the Roscommon border sinus guess this care home is near there, I could be totally wrong about that though.
It's not like him to do something like this so I'd imagine he's been trying to prevent it from happening and is at his wit's end and gotten no help from the HSE.

OwenM · 22-10-2020 10:52AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You actually need to read proper research not a 4 page opinion piece with no review.

Asking people in general to wade through tortuous academic linguistics and ignore the media isn't realistic.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/covid-vaccine-immunisation-protection

A vaccine isn't going to fix nearly as much as we think it will, there are a lot of 'if's' and the principle one is efficacy, approval will be granted if, among other things, it displays >=50% efficacy. That's not going to solve much.

Away With The Fairies · 22-10-2020 10:52AM

Qiaonasen wrote: »

In Germany they take the phone and contact details of everyone in the restaurant. They will contact them also. Additionally if you both have the covid app installed you would both get notified.

Doesn't some countries trace the bank card records as well?

22-10-2020 10:53AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I can see Dr Daly being "resigned" fairly soon for letting that cat out of the bag.

How can you "resign" an GP working in a private capacity? Need to lay off the deep state conspiracy theories, dude.

22-10-2020 10:54AM

polesheep wrote: »

I don't advocate at all. I will decide for myself whether or not I should take it. Everyone else can decide for themselves.

So if vaccine got HPRA, MHRA and EMA approval? Would you take it?

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 10:54AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I know the man personally. An absolute gentleman and very popular as he works with the Roscommon county football team. If you ever see a match on tv you'll see him on the field dealing with injured players. He's based in Ballygar which is in Galway on the Roscommon border sinus guess this care home is near there, I could be totally wrong about that though.
It's not like him to do something like this so I'd imagine he's been trying to prevent it from happening and is at his wit's end and gotten no help from the HSE.

As I said elsewhere there are others you can call apart from HSELive. My questions are about the care home itself.

Funsterdelux · 22-10-2020 10:54AM

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Why did they leave cavan out?

Because if you keep adding counties youd end up with this

22-10-2020 10:55AM

I posted something similar on this thread the last day.

Best case scenario:

The number of infections drop rapidly and the country can open up in 6 weeks, except for the pubs which may have to wait until next year. Many retailers are saved from going under.

The UK avoids a no deal Brexit which will mean Ireland avoids the major impact this will have on its economy.

Trump does not get re-elected, so the plan to 'Make America Great Again' doesn't involve US tech companies relocating to the US from Ireland.

22-10-2020 10:57AM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It is odd that golf courses are closed. A golfer has a huge open space and I never see golfers gathering in groups to hit the ball. Very strange.

Maybe there are not enough golfers in the Dail.

They are more into the GAA and horse racing?

stephenjmcd · 22-10-2020 10:57AM

OwenM wrote: »

Asking people in general to wade through tortuous academic linguistics and ignore the media isn't realistic.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/oct/21/covid-vaccine-immunisation-protection

A vaccine isn't going to fix nearly as much as we think it will, there are a lot of 'if's' and the principle one is efficacy, approval will be granted if, among other things, it displays >=50% efficacy. That's not going to solve much.

I've read the guardian yesterday, another opinion piece, lots of ifs and created situations. A vaccine doesn't stop virus circulation in this case, so I'm not sure why people think this finishes it off, the virus is there, its the impact that gets limited.

Well if people want actual good vaccine and data they'll have to go look for it as it doesn't get any coverage through RTE for example.

There's a full vaccine thread on all of this where there's informed posts.

A vaccine is a way to get back to normal by reducing illness. Efficiency data is due in the next few weeks.
Not sure why people keep throwing out 50% efficiency as that's not been mentioned in any data yet.

The more people vaccinated the less restictions required as there's less pressure on health services.

Anyway I digress like I said full thread on vaccine development and data.

weldoninhio · 22-10-2020 10:58AM

Deleted User wrote: »

How can you "resign" an GP working in a private capacity? Need to lay off the deep state conspiracy theories, dude.

Ask my GP. Or is he a deep state "actor"?

The HorsesMouth · 22-10-2020 10:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I posted something similar on this thread the last day.

Best case scenario:

The number of infections drop rapidly and the country can open up in 6 weeks, except for the pubs which may have to wait until next year. Many retailers are saved from going under.

The UK avoids a no deal Brexit which will mean Ireland avoids the major impact this will have on its economy.

Trump does not get re-elected, so the plan to 'Make America Great Again' doesn't involve US tech companies relocating to the US from Ireland.

I would think this is probable case scenario...only media are so doom and gloom they would lead us to believe this is all hugely optimistic.
With the exception of Brexit however because that is in the hands of Boris while the rest is in the hands of the public.

OwenM · 22-10-2020 10:59AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I've read the guardian yesterday, another opinion piece. Well if people want actual good vaccine and data they'll have to go look for it as it doesn't get any coverage through RTE for example.

There's a full vaccine thread on all of this where there's informed posts.

A vaccine is a way to get back to normal by reducing illness. Efficiency data is due in the next few weeks.
Not sure why people keep throwing out 50% efficiency as that's not been mentioned in any data yet.

The more people vaccinated the less restictions required as there's less pressure on health services.

Anyway I digress like I said full thread on vaccine development and data.

That's the one threshold parameter set by the FDA and EMA

22-10-2020 11:00AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Ask my GP. Or is he a deep state "actor"?

So your GP has been fired by the HSE? Link to new story would be great as that would certainly be newsworthy.

Curious_Case · 22-10-2020 11:00AM

Vizza Vee Stephen Donnelly's use of the phrase --

I'm feeling hungry so I'm going to make a sandwich, as a "pre-emptive strike"

How very modern !!!

eagle eye · 22-10-2020 11:00AM

Plumbthedepths wrote:

Out of curiosity what do you think would be the health outcome for people in a collapsed economy, healthier?

Economic problems are happening whether this lockdown happened or not. I think we need to look at the long term as regards national healrh and the economy.
The longer you let this thing go the worse things are going to get and the longer you'll end up.in a lockdown. If we went into lockdown a month ago it would only have taken four weeks, now it's going to take six weeks at least. Longer you go unchecked with rising numbers the worse it's going to be both for the economy and the national health .

stephenjmcd · 22-10-2020 11:01AM

OwenM wrote: »

That's the one threshold parameter set by the FDA and EMA

Yes but said opinion piece suggests that's the best that can be achieved by a vaccine.

My point is that is unproven, we await efficiency data.

eagle eye · 22-10-2020 11:02AM

is_that_so wrote:

As I said elsewhere there are others you can call apart from HSELive. My questions are about the care home itself.

I'd be pretty confident he has exhausted all avenues before putting that on Twitter.

Curious_Case · 22-10-2020 11:04AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Economic problems are happening whether this lockdown happened or not. I think we need to look at the long term as regards national healrh and the economy.
The longer you let this thing go the worse things are going to get and the longer you'll end up.in a lockdown. If we went into lockdown a month ago it would only have taken four weeks, now it's going to take six weeks at least. Longer you go unchecked with rising numbers the worse it's going to be both for the economy and the national health .

I suspect the almost global, intermittent lockdowns may be having a teensy weensy effect too !!!

weldoninhio · 22-10-2020 11:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So your GP has been fired by the HSE? Link to new story would be great as that would certainly be newsworthy.

No he was "retired" from practice for 1) calling out the initial nursing home fiasco and 2) having an opinion.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gp-to-close-practice-after-threat-of-suspension-over-anti-mask-views-1.4375726

mr zulu · 22-10-2020 11:05AM

I see hospital rate has dropped to 305,no surprise that rte havnt reported that, they are very quick to report when they go up.

22-10-2020 11:06AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Thanks Raind.

Are you basing the first on notified cases?

On the 14 day epidemiological report.

BringBackMick · 22-10-2020 11:06AM

mr zulu wrote: »

I see hospital rate has dropped to 305,no surprise that rte havnt reported that, they are very quick to report when they go up.

That would not suit the agenda

Boggles · 22-10-2020 11:08AM

HSE chief apologises over contact tracing issues

Mr Reid said they will get 70% of decisions right and 30% wrong

#standards

stephenjmcd · 22-10-2020 11:09AM

Boggles wrote: »

HSE chief apologises over contact tracing issues

#standards

Ah yes because in my work if I was wrong 30% of the time and caused a major issue I'd probably be shown the door.
Clown

BringBackMick · 22-10-2020 11:10AM

Boggles wrote: »

HSE chief apologises over contact tracing issues

#standards

Hah is that the level of service they expect!

Most SLA are 95%, perhaps 90% in some places but our HSE has a SLA hit rate expectation of 70%!!!!!!!!! God help us

c montgomery · 22-10-2020 11:10AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So if vaccine got HPRA, MHRA and EMA approval? Would you take it?

After 5 years of it being in use I would consider it

seamus · 22-10-2020 11:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

But the golf courses are closed, which seems like a strange decision to me.

It's a PR decision.

If golf courses were allowed to stay open, the Shinners would be immediately on the attack that sports were being closed for everyone but "the elite".

There's this popular fallacy that only wealthy upper class people play golf. But I can tell you that high-cost, "classy" clubs are enormously popular with drug dealers, and there are plenty of lads in Jobstown who enjoy hitting a few balls on public courses during the week.

22-10-2020 11:13AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

No he was "retired" from practice for 1) calling out the initial nursing home fiasco and 2) having an opinion.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/gp-to-close-practice-after-threat-of-suspension-over-anti-mask-views-1.4375726

That is a fitness to practice issue. If I said the same things without evidence, my regulator (the PSI) would be questioning my fitness to practice. He took the coward's step of resigning rather than standing up for his convictions. If I held so steadfast views, I'd welcome my day in the tribunal.

Also, the medical council is not the HSE.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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