Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

B.A._Baracus · 22-10-2020 10:24AM

Maxpfizer wrote: »

The biggest problem is that we are relying on people to behave in a sensible fashion when there are just too many out there who either just don't care or a too damn stupid to use a bit of common sense.

Last week a relative of mine was posting on whatsapp about having a fever and a chesty cough etc. Did she get tested? Nope. Did she go to church while she had these symptoms? Yes, she did.

Now, she may have been lying and seeking attention but at the end of the day there will be many like her out there.

You can pretty much guarantee that in the final rush to get stuff done yesterday, before things close, you'd have a few hundred people out there who know they have symptoms but are willing to take the chance because they want to get stuff before the lockdown starts.

The truth is we need people to be smart and responsible and careful at a time like this. Hahaha. It's laughable when you actually think about it. Like you just know thats too much to ask from some of these absolute morons.

Totally agree.
That's why a part of me agrees that we need lockdown. It's like you're dealing with children. Idiots or a-holes who just don't care. The only way to deal with them is restrict things. Problem is you're also effect people who are taking things seriously.

Ahh... All I know is this whole Corona virus has made me realise how people are a-holes. Lol. Not everyone but there's a lot walking the streets out there.

Those who think Corona doesn't exist....
Those who think it was made by the "new world order" as a way of "control"
... 5g.
... Those who want to get it up for others by not wearing a mask.

This world is a mad

mountgomery burns · 22-10-2020 10:25AM

Whether you agree or not with the decision this week, should at least be accountable for misleading the public

https://www.buzz.ie/amp/news/tony-holohan-says-full-lockdown-wont-be-necessary-if-second-covid-19-wave-hits-ireland-373680?__twitter_impression=true

wadacrack · 22-10-2020 10:26AM

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1318614894657286146

TonyMaloney · 22-10-2020 10:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Signs of stability - green shoots but not an established trend.

Thanks Raind.

Are you basing the first on notified cases?

Icyseanfitz · 22-10-2020 10:27AM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1318614894657286146

Didn't they completely shut their schools down? Be interesting to see our method with schools open in comparison.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 10:27AM

Gruffalux wrote: »

26 elderly with Covid in a home with only 1 nurse and 1 carer available to mind them for past 72 hours - maybe he wants for them to get help rather than simply to provoke ''outrage''?

How did a nursing home with 2 carers stay open? If it's public that's a HSE problem, if it's private it's HIQA so why didn't they or he go through the proper channels?

polesheep · 22-10-2020 10:27AM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Ah yes. Realism is just awful.
Of course.

Putting checkpoints up when people are going to work and school is realism now?

The HorsesMouth · 22-10-2020 10:28AM

Jim o Callaghan one of the first politicians coming out to say that we need to accept people are going to die in a trade off for the economy not collapsing. On Claire Byrne now

Maxpfizer · 22-10-2020 10:29AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Actually the biggest problem is its asymptomatic nature, which means that lad could have affected many many more by just sitting on a plane unawares.

That makes it almost impossible to trace

I understand that but there is a level of personal responsibility involved and people need to step up.

If we take masks, for example. Nobody can force people to wear one and that's fine. I don't really think the government should be able to force people to wear one or tell people that they can't have visitors etc. However, I do want to take personal responsibility for myself and others so I see what's going on, I see the guidelines and I do what I can.

Too many are just taking the attitude of thinking they won't be told what to do and not giving a damn about other people.

We could have easily cut the case numbers right down if everyone was playing their part. Not zero obviously but we could have kept the numbers down and kept the rate of increase down too.

Now we look forward to another round of job losses etc because people are incapable of doing the right thing.

Thierry12 · 22-10-2020 10:31AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I can see Dr Daly being "resigned" fairly soon for letting that cat out of the bag.

Yeah poor man is ****ed now

Like the young Doctor in Adare who treated his patients with Vit D, antibiotics etc instead of sending them to clog up hospitals, his quote of masks dont help was taken out of context and he was fired

Even if he made a mistake joining mask protest, he meant well and done good for his patients

Lockdown is a complete joke

Expirementing with kids in Schools and letting residents in Nursing homes to die and closing every SME in the country and letting GAA go on

I am out of this lockdown, going 80km to Killarney today to walk Torc waterfall on my day off

Closed my mask wearing gym for no reason

polesheep · 22-10-2020 10:32AM

Gruffalux wrote: »

26 elderly with Covid in a home with only 1 nurse and 1 carer available to mind them for past 72 hours - maybe he wants for them to get help rather than simply to provoke ''outrage''?

One nurse and one carer for 72 hours? That's simply not possible, no one could stay on their feet for 72 hours, never mind work. There is a lot more to this story.

Allinall · 22-10-2020 10:33AM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Whether you agree or not with the decision this week, should at least be accountable for misleading the public

https://www.buzz.ie/amp/news/tony-holohan-says-full-lockdown-wont-be-necessary-if-second-covid-19-wave-hits-ireland-373680?__twitter_impression=true

What's misleading?

This lockdown is nothing like the first one.

Schools open.
Construction open.
Hardware and DIY shops open.
Inter-county GAA going ahead.
Various health services which were stopped in March
5k exercise limit instead of 2k.

seamus · 22-10-2020 10:34AM

polesheep wrote: »

One nurse and one carer for 72 hours? That's simply not possible, no one could stay on their feet for 72 hours, never mind work. There is a lot more to this story.

The residents do sleep.

It is possible, they would sleep when the residents sleep.

You'd be utterly shagged though.

ednwireland · 22-10-2020 10:34AM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1318614894657286146

differential effect across subpopulations from isreal hmmmmmm

that statement would have me worried

Kivaro · 22-10-2020 10:34AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Surely this can't be proper procedure, they must be able to source staff from somewhere.

And this is one example why the HSE is such a disaster in Ireland. Even with the thousands of middle-management folder-holders in the well-funded organisation, they cannot even figure out how to carry out basic healthcare processes in this country.

Quoting the full tweet from the doctor this morning:

Just received a phone call from Nursing Home . 26 out 28 residents #COVID + . Only one Nurse and Carer available in last 72 hrs as all other staff positive . 1 person has died and another very ill. Nursing Home Say no help available from @HSELive

This is an absolute disgrace, and those on the top should hang their heads in shame. Donnelly should resign, as he has shown that he is not capable to do the job.

Plumbthedepths · 22-10-2020 10:34AM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1318614894657286146

What did the Israeli authorities close?Seeing as you are justifying a lockdown.

forumdedum · 22-10-2020 10:34AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Jim o Callaghan one of the first politicians coming out to say that we need to accept people are going to die in a trade off for the economy not collapsing. On Claire Byrne now

Thanks for this. He will never get my vote in future.

Loafing Oaf · 22-10-2020 10:35AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Actually the biggest problem is its asymptomatic nature, which means that lad could have affected many many more by just sitting on a plane unawares.

That makes it almost impossible to trace

I was thinking about this yesterday. I was eating outside at McDonalds and there were four lads chatting near my table with no masks. If I picked up the virus off one of them, how would that ever be traced? Presumably if I got a positive diagnosis I would tell the contact tracers I was was in McDonalds Castlebar between 1.15 and 1.30 on Wednesday, but what could McDonalds do with that info, beyond informing staff on duty at the time?

Supercell · 22-10-2020 10:36AM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/segal_eran/status/1318614894657286146

That is super promising news, very interesting twitter discussion as to the reasoning around Israel's second lockdown success this time round. Hopefully we will start to see the same in a couple of weeks time or less.
Only real difference with Ireland is they closed the schools the second time as well but we haven't, i guess we will find out soon enough whether they really are an important factor.

Longing · 22-10-2020 10:36AM

seamus wrote: »

The residents do sleep.

It is possible, they would sleep when the residents sleep.

You'd be utterly shagged though.

What dream world you living in. Go back to sleep

polesheep · 22-10-2020 10:38AM

seamus wrote: »

The residents do sleep.

It is possible, they would sleep when the residents sleep.

You'd be utterly shagged though.

No, it's not possible Seamus and wouldn't happen. Residents don't all sleep at the same time plus the tweet stated that almost all of them are Covid positive. There is more to the story.

is_that_so · 22-10-2020 10:40AM

Kivaro wrote: »

And this is one example why the HSE is such a disaster in Ireland. Even with the thousands of middle-management folder-holders in the well-funded organisation, they cannot even figure out how to carry out basic healthcare processes in this country.

Quoting the full tweet from the doctor this morning:
This is an absolute disgrace, and those on the top should hang their heads in shame. Donnelly should resign, as he has shown that he is not capable to do the job.

Well that'll be a shock to him that a care home he's probably never even heard of should make him resign. Some care homes have not been good on infection control and some are just not fit for purpose anyway and should be closed.

Paddygreen · 22-10-2020 10:41AM

is_that_so wrote: »

He is a very self-motivated individual who writes his own press releases!

Stephen is great in all fairness guys but he is no Simon C who had the late great Peter Suds as his mentor, I think Stephen got Barry Cowan. He’s got the look I suppose, FF created a very good replica of Simon but the software was cobbled together in a hurry and just stuffed in there any old way I’d say.

stephenjmcd · 22-10-2020 10:41AM

manniot2 wrote: »

The story on RTE today about the uselessness of these vaccines needs to printed and posted to everyone in this country. We need to wake up quickly, we can ruin the economy/society now for no reason or we can realise that this aint going anywhere and actually live with it!

You actually need to read proper research not a 4 page opinion piece with no review.

Richard Hillman · 22-10-2020 10:44AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Jim o Callaghan one of the first politicians coming out to say that we need to accept people are going to die in a trade off for the economy not collapsing. On Claire Byrne now

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. We are facing economic oblivion that will ruin many many lives for decades.

Plumbthedepths · 22-10-2020 10:44AM

forumdedum wrote: »

Thanks for this. He will never get my vote in future.

Out of curiosity what do you think would be the health outcome for people in a collapsed economy, healthier?

22-10-2020 10:44AM

Allinall wrote: »

What's misleading?

This lockdown is nothing like the first one.

Schools open.
Construction open.
Hardware and DIY shops open.
Inter-county GAA going ahead.
Various health services which were stopped in March
5k exercise limit instead of 2k.

But the golf courses are closed, which seems like a strange decision to me.

Qiaonasen · 22-10-2020 10:49AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I was thinking about this yesterday. I was eating outside at McDonalds and there were four lads chatting near my table with no masks. If I picked up the virus off one of them, how would that ever be traced? Presumably if I got a positive diagnosis I would tell the contact tracers I was was in McDonalds Castlebar between 1.15 and 1.30 on Wednesday, but what could McDonalds do with that info, beyond informing staff on duty at the time?

In Germany they take the phone and contact details of everyone in the restaurant. They will contact them also. Additionally if you both have the covid app installed you would both get notified.

Fuascailteoir · 22-10-2020 10:50AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Signs of stability - green shoots but not an established trend.

Why did they leave cavan out?

Away With The Fairies · 22-10-2020 10:50AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But the golf courses are closed, which seems like a strange decision to me.

It is odd that golf courses are closed. A golfer has a huge open space and I never see golfers gathering in groups to hit the ball. Very strange.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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