Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

ACitizenErased · 21-10-2020 12:52PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I wouldn't really have much faith in the testing numbers at the moment considering the enormous difficulties being encountered by contact tracing over the last number of days. Many close contacts simply aren't being contacted let alone tested.

Testing numbers are at a record high.

Qiaonasen · 21-10-2020 12:53PM

I don't want to be alarmist or hysterical or anything but the first vaccine for smallpox was created in 1796 and the disease was finally eradicated in 1980.
Just would like to put vaccines in some context. Yes many different factors at play but a vaccine will not end this mess for years. We should demand reparations from China.

ACitizenErased · 21-10-2020 12:54PM

Qiaonasen wrote: »

I don't want to be alarmist or hysterical or anything but the first vaccine for smallpox was created in 1796 and the disease was finally eradicated in 1980.
Just would like to put vaccines in some context. Yes many different factors at play but a vaccine will not end this mess for years. We should demand reparations from China.

Thanks for that Donald.

froog · 21-10-2020 12:54PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Swabs today will be very interesting

If we below 900 it’d be good progress

Nolan said next two weeks could be bad.

BringBackMick · 21-10-2020 12:55PM

Today is like a mix between Christmas Eve and the day of a wake before funeral tomorrow

Gael23 · 21-10-2020 12:55PM

I think the government will want to have retail open in the lead up to Christmas ewhatever the situation on December 1st

eagle eye · 21-10-2020 12:56PM

manniot2 wrote:

"NPHET trying to find a balance" by putting us into the most restrictive lockdown in Europe. You can only laugh at the BS at this stage.

The January lockdown will be the one that finishes us off, it might even begin to tickle those in the comfort of the public sector.

Do you want the hospitals to get overrun?
If you want to compare our lockdown the other countries then go find one with a health service as bad as ours and see how that works out for you.

Hector Savage · 21-10-2020 12:56PM

Softshoulder wrote: »

My job involves some work with Chinese people from time to time and when I said I hope a vaccine comes soon they said they already have one in China and they're rolling it out to the priority groups already.

It's amazing how Europe and USA is seemingly always the first with the technology. It's never China or Russia, no, they could never do it before the US or Europe.

In fairness the Chinese wouldn't be safety priority , if there is some side effects they will accept it ...

21-10-2020 12:57PM

Softshoulder wrote: »

My job involves some work with Chinese people from time to time and when I said I hope a vaccine comes soon they said they already have one in China and they're rolling it out to the priority groups already.

It's amazing how Europe and USA is seemingly always the first with the technology. It's never China or Russia, no, they could never do it before the US or Europe.

Have you ever heard of Thalidomide? There is a reason why proper testing is needed.

Eod100 · 21-10-2020 12:57PM

manniot2 wrote: »

"NPHET trying to find a balance" by putting us into the most restrictive lockdown in Europe. You can only laugh at the BS at this stage.

The January lockdown will be the one that finishes us off, it might even begin to tickle those in the comfort of the public sector.

Give over with this public sector bashing rubbish. It's as lazy as it is nonsense. The payscales are online and anyone and everyone is free to apply if they think it's a cushy number.

Liberalbrehon · 21-10-2020 12:57PM

manniot2 wrote: »

"NPHET trying to find a balance" by putting us into the most restrictive lockdown in Europe. You can only laugh at the BS at this stage.

The January lockdown will be the one that finishes us off, it might even begin to tickle those in the comfort of the public sector.

Lockdowns will end when the money markets say "enough is enough" or vaccines work >80%. I think the former before the latter.

Limpy · 21-10-2020 12:58PM

quartz1 wrote: »

The GAA seem to have become our new Catholic Church such is their power and reach . Senior Inter County Championship been run I could accept because they can take some precautions and it will provide entertainment to a lot of people who are restricted but all other under age games are a joke. ....those games and training sessions will create unnecessary contact between households at a time the rest of us are confined to our homes. It's not right to restrict funerals while allowing the GAA do what they wish.

The underage groups in other sports are mixing. I See it in soccer too every week. Im all for keeping things open,.i dont understand why its half hearted tho. Close people's lively hoods but leave schools open, make no sense.

batman75 · 21-10-2020 12:58PM

Hard not to see another lockdown after Christmas most likely in January. Michael Martin might have finally achieved his life’s ambitions but I wouldn’t like to be in his shoes. It must be a nightmare.

shmeee · 21-10-2020 12:58PM

shmeee wrote: »

Alright lad, who pissed in your cornflakes?

They are awaiting clarification on the matter. There is games fixed for tonight.

I'm a GAA supporter and I'm surprised ANY GAA is still going ahead given the current circumstances.

It's all about money at the end of the day.....

Minor and U20 "paused" until further notice.

https://twitter.com/officialgaa/status/1318882952965652481?s=20

Hector Savage · 21-10-2020 12:59PM

Qiaonasen wrote: »

I don't want to be alarmist or hysterical or anything but the first vaccine for smallpox was created in 1796 and the disease was finally eradicated in 1980.
Just would like to put vaccines in some context. Yes many different factors at play but a vaccine will not end this mess for years. We should demand reparations from China.

100%, I don;t know why these protestors outside the dail aren't marching on the Chinese embassy...

Qiaonasen · 21-10-2020 01:01PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

In fairness the Chinese wouldn't be safety priority , if there is some side effects they will accept it ...

The stakes are much higher in China. It's a brutal authoritarian regime with no transparency. If the party starts to lose control it will descend into anarchy very quick. The party have no wiggle room. They have to throw everything at this.
Second point is China are rolling out the vaccine locally without it having passed phase 3 trials. Safely isn't a priority for them.
Lastly, the party know they caused this mess. They want to win the vaccine race at all costs to rebuild China's reputation and carry out vaccine diplomacy.

Do not trust anything about China. Nothing there is as it appears. Look at the news of an Italian journalist in hospital with Covid there currently and documenting his experience. They are giving him medicine and he has no choice. He cannot refuse. That is what you are dealing with. China has no ethics.

Gael23 · 21-10-2020 01:02PM

Only thing is things are looking optimistic on the vaccine front in the very near future

Softshoulder · 21-10-2020 01:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you ever heard of Thalidomide? There is a reason why proper testing is needed.

And only Europe and USA do proper testing eh? The baddies Russia and China never do anything safely?

Somehow Pfizer were planning on having their vaccine ready before the end of the year. So if you would, I'd be really interested to know how a couple of months extra makes all the difference??

petes · 21-10-2020 01:04PM

Softshoulder wrote: »

And only Europe and USA do proper testing eh? The baddies Russia and China never do anything safely?

Somehow Pfizer were planning on having their vaccine ready before the end of the year. So if you would, I'd be really interested to know how a couple of months extra makes all the difference??

Did you even research the tiniest bit on vaccine development before posting?

Boggles · 21-10-2020 01:05PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Swabs today will be very interesting

If we below 900 it’d be good progress

Contact tracing has utterly collapsed.

Swabs today will be a guesstimate of how much disease there is out there.

zinfandel · 21-10-2020 01:07PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

Swabs today will be very interesting

If we below 900 it’d be good progress

would not be too reliant on any figures, my son in city centre and girlfriend unwell, been given a test appointment on outskirts of kildare , which would involve taking 3 buses putting more people at risk if positive, so they declined and will probably never know if positive, obviously isolating in the meantime. .

Limpy · 21-10-2020 01:07PM

Qiaonasen wrote: »

The stakes are much higher in China. It's a brutal authoritarian regime with no transparency. If the party starts to lose control it will descend into anarchy very quick. The party have no wiggle room. They have to throw everything at this.
Second point is China are rolling out the vaccine locally without it having passed phase 3 trials. Safely isn't a priority for them.
Lastly, the party know they caused this mess. They want to win the vaccine race at all costs to rebuild China's reputation and carry out vaccine diplomacy.

Do not trust anything about China. Nothing there is as it appears. Look at the news of an Italian journalist in hospital with Covid there currently and documenting his experience. They are giving him medicine and he has no choice. He cannot refuse. That is what you are dealing with. China has no ethics.

I bet you wrote that on your Chinese phone.

BringBackMick · 21-10-2020 01:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

Contact tracing has utterly collapsed.

Swabs today will be a guesstimate of how much disease there is out there.

We arent doing that bad with testing, some EU countries have positivity rates in the 20s

We always beat ourselves up but we not doing too bad

CIARAN_BOYLE · 21-10-2020 01:08PM

froog wrote: »

Nolan said next two weeks could be bad.

Some people here feel that the benefits of nationwide level 3 will only be seen over the coming days. Grey smoke has been seen in terms of positivity rates in virus tests over the last few days. So there is some hope. Nphet would be suggesting would be minimal.

Eod100 · 21-10-2020 01:09PM

Boggles wrote: »

Contact tracing has utterly collapsed.

Swabs today will be a guesstimate of how much disease there is out there.

Can see know why social distancing and reducing contacts so important. And that's just a weekend's worth of confirmed cases.

I'd say GPs are rightly furious. What the hell were the government at during summer? Off on their holidays sure

Qiaonasen · 21-10-2020 01:09PM

Limpy wrote: »

I bet you wrote that on your Chinese phone.

I didn't. I used my laptop. I don't see what the connection is?

Softshoulder · 21-10-2020 01:09PM

petes wrote: »

Did you even research the tiniest bit on vaccine development before posting?

Don't need to buddy.

Somehow Europe can create a vaccine in about 8 months yet China can't do it in about 11.

Remember China had the virus two months before it came wholly to Europe!

Sardonicat · 21-10-2020 01:09PM

zinfandel wrote: »

would not be too reliant on any figures, my son in city centre and girlfriend unwell, been given a test appointment on outskirts of kildare , which would involve taking 3 buses putting more people at risk if positive, so they declined and will probably never know if positive, obviously isolating in the meantime. .

Why did they not make contact to change how the test is taken? Hope they are OK.

Limpy · 21-10-2020 01:10PM

zinfandel wrote: »

would not be too reliant on any figures, my son in city centre and girlfriend unwell, been given a test appointment on outskirts of kildare , which would involve taking 3 buses putting more people at risk if positive, so they declined and will probably never know if positive, obviously isolating in the meantime. .

Sisters husband tested positive monday. Rest of family told to wait for test, they have no symptoms but nobody has called to test them yet.

Widdensushi · 21-10-2020 01:10PM

Boggles wrote: »

Contact tracing has utterly collapsed.

Swabs today will be a guesstimate of how much disease there is out there.

The % positivity and the amount of tests will speak for themselves, anyone that thinks they might need testing has a responsibility to get tested, they shouldn't need big brother to tell them.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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