Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

seamus · 21-10-2020 09:24AM

j@utis wrote: »

I want to remind you that schools are somewhat childcare facilities for many parents that have no other option but to go to work [essential workers]. Are you free to mind my children if that happens? For free of course, because we pay upfront for afterschool care and that's non-refundable, and we're not paying twice for the same thing.
I hate them for closing the gyms too, btw.

If schools close, everything closes.
Simple fact of the matter.

If schools and other childcare are closed, but people still have to go to work, then parents will have no other choice except to draft in grandparents and other households to take on childcare while they work.

This will result in much greater spread of the virus, especially among the more vulnerable cohort (grandparents).

If schools are closed, provision needs to be made which allows a large portion of the workforce (up to 400,000 people) take a paid leave of absence from work while they're closed. The was a certain amount of "let's just do this" applied in the first lockdown, but it didn't really work. Children didn't get educated, they spent all day watching screens. Parents didn't get any work done.

growleaves · 21-10-2020 09:26AM

I will also ask customers to provide a photo ID showing that they reside within the 5km limit, if they do not I will ask managers not to serve them.

There are no photo IDs which show that someone resides with a 5km limit.

Your Passport doesn't say "4km from Rathkeale"

Plumbthedepths · 21-10-2020 09:27AM

s1ippy wrote: »

If he's not you, he's definitely Funsterdelux's dark alter ego.

The school my nephew goes to keeps comprehensive lists of children, their close contacts and everyone who passes through the school of a given day like the delivery people etc, they all have to sign in (granted using shared and sanitised pens, which struck me as neolithic... I bring my own).

I'm pretty sure most schools have this simple system of logging visits, but how are they supposed to get teenagers to think about everywhere they've been and everyone they've been in contact with?

An unparalleled task. I wonder if meat plants have it as difficult.

Nope just one account and I definitely don't do satire. Ah yes Funster, intelligent observation dressed up in humour.

billybonkers · 21-10-2020 09:29AM

23,000 calls over last week contract tracing did.

That's is 137 calls every hour of every day.

I wonder how many people are on the tracing team? why did they not just hire 500 or so people to do it? The call went out months ago for people available on contract basis!!

If they had 500 doing it, it would be around 2 calls per day working 8 hours!!

Jinglejangle69 · 21-10-2020 09:30AM

billybonkers wrote: »

23,000 calls a day last week contract tracing did.

That's is 137 calls every hour of every day.

I wonder how many people are on the tracing team? why did they not just hire 500 or so people to do it? The call went out months ago for people available on contract basis!!

If they had 500 doing it, it would be around 2 calls per day working 8 hours!!

Think they have 450.

billybonkers · 21-10-2020 09:30AM

growleaves wrote: »

There are no photo IDs which show that someone resides with a 5km limit.

Your Passport doesn't say "4km from Rathkeale"

Your drivers license has your address on it. Can't think of any others that do though

Boggles · 21-10-2020 09:31AM

seamus wrote: »

If schools and other childcare are closed, but people still have to go to work, then parents will have no other choice except to draft in grandparents and other households to take on childcare while they work.

All that is currently happening. Add to that multiple pickups by family, neighbors, friends, etc.

So you have to ask yourself the question.

Is a child that spends 6 hours a day with potentially 100s of contacts more of a risk to grandparents when they mind them or less of risk without those 100s of contacts?

We will park that nonsense that schools are Covid free zones, but once the child leaves the school yard they become a super vector that will kill granny.

billybonkers · 21-10-2020 09:31AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Think they have 450.

Well then that is beyond a joke.

2.43 calls per day over 8 working hours. How is that not sufficient.

Mind boggles

nthclare · 21-10-2020 09:31AM

I know this threads busy, but what's wrong with a single middle aged,young or elderly man or woman living alone, just getting into their car for a spin out to a headland and getting sea air, going fishing or foraging, a swim.

Especially people who are lonely and suffer from depression or have social anxiety.

Some people need their routine and this could save them from the tipping point, they're harming no one.

growleaves · 21-10-2020 09:32AM

billybonkers wrote: »

Your drivers license has your address on it. Can't think of any others that do though

What if you're staying somewhere else and haven't updated it though?

In any case a shop assistant isn't a Guard and people shouldn't go along with this request.

wirelessdude01 · 21-10-2020 09:33AM

billybonkers wrote: »

23,000 calls a day last week contract tracing did.

That's is 137 calls every hour of every day.

I wonder how many people are on the tracing team? why did they not just hire 500 or so people to do it? The call went out months ago for people available on contract basis!!

If they had 500 doing it, it would be around 2 calls per day working 8 hours!!

It came out in the wash few weeks back that they were only offering short term zero hour contracts.No sick pay.

Should have been secure 6/12 month long.

Also I read somewhere that training takes between 4 and 6 weeks to complete. All this should have been comp,even during the summer when things were relatively quiet.

Drumpot · 21-10-2020 09:33AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Think they have 450.

Is contact tracing really that difficult a job to learn? There’s no way we could of trained up a lot more people in the last 6 months?

Bet if we were at war there would be no shortage of people to do jobs they’d never done in their lives and have absolutely no qualifications to do, they’d learn very quickly.

ixoy · 21-10-2020 09:34AM

How does a contact trace even work? They still need the names from the person who tested positive and the phone numbers from them (the team are unlikely to have access). So are they just ringing those people up? Do they ring up the workplace, if any, as well? Shops visited? And, previously, restaurants/pubs?

If someone doesn't have a phone number, say for a neighbour they were chatting to, is there anything done there?

seamus · 21-10-2020 09:35AM

billybonkers wrote: »

23,000 calls a day last week contract tracing did.

That's is 137 calls every hour of every day.

I wonder how many people are on the tracing team? why did they not just hire 500 or so people to do it? The call went out months ago for people available on contract basis!!

If they had 500 doing it, it would be around 2 calls per day working 8 hours!!

23,000 calls a day = 161,000 calls a week. 500 tracers working a 40 hour week = 20,000 working hours.

Which means that each tracer would need to make 8 calls an hour in order to keep up. Which is 7.5 minutes per call to make the call and to do all of the admin work that arises out of it. If they ring someone to get a list of their close contacts and that person has 30 names, then you're going to go way over your 7.5 minutes.

And that assumes that none of your contact tracers are out sick, or on annual leave, etc.

We had 1,500 army personnell drafted in to do it in April, I wonder why the same hasn't happened again.

Boggles · 21-10-2020 09:35AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

It came out in the wash few weeks back that they were only offering short term zero hour contracts.No sick pay.

Should have been secure 6/12 month long.

Also I read somewhere that training takes between 4 and 6 weeks to complete. All this should have been comp,even during the summer when things were relatively quiet.

We do it a little differently here.

the HSE is using Revenue Commissioners officials in Limerick and Dublin, along with the Army band, to make calls to newly confirmed cases of Covid-19 to trace their contacts

Musicians and accountants.

froog · 21-10-2020 09:35AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Anyone noticed that cases in 5-14year olds are finally rising as a proportion of all cases, and are now almost back to pre-school reopening levels. This of course came in the couple of weeks after cases spiked in their parents age groups. Who got it from whom?

We get it, you want the schools open at all costs. Do you really need to post the same thing several times every single day about it?

CoronaBlocker · 21-10-2020 09:37AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Contact tracing is breaking down because of the sheer numbers of cases and their respective contacts.

You mean the second wave that nobody has been talking about for 6 months?

seamus · 21-10-2020 09:40AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

It came out in the wash few weeks back that they were only offering short term zero hour contracts.No sick pay.

Should have been secure 6/12 month long.

Also I read somewhere that training takes between 4 and 6 weeks to complete. All this should have been comp,even during the summer when things were relatively quiet.

Drumpot wrote: »

Is contact tracing really that difficult a job to learn? There’s no way we could of trained up a lot more people in the last 6 months?

Bet if we were at war there would be no shortage of people to do jobs they’d never done in their lives and have absolutely no qualifications to do, they’d learn very quickly.

It's very obvious at this stage that HSE management made a bet that we were already through the worst of it and that fortifying our resources would be a waste because we would never see the likes of it again.

The HSE are far and away the most incompetent group in the entire public sector. County Council planning departments look like well-oiled machines in comparison.

8k71ps · 21-10-2020 09:40AM

seamus wrote: »

If schools close, everything closes.
Simple fact of the matter.

If schools and other childcare are closed, but people still have to go to work, then parents will have no other choice except to draft in grandparents and other households to take on childcare while they work.

This will result in much greater spread of the virus, especially among the more vulnerable cohort (grandparents).

The kid wouldn't be a significant factor if the schools weren't open, there are more grandparents with contact with their covid-positive school age grandchildren currently than there would be if the schools were closed, considering a large portion of people currently. However for the most part there can be a hell of a lot more done about schools if they at least allowed even the 4th-6th years to be at home than what they're doing now.

Drumpot · 21-10-2020 09:40AM

Boggles wrote: »

We do it a little differently here.

Musicians and accountants.

So anybody can be a contact tracer? Thousands of people on PUP and none of them can even ask to do the job if they want? (I’m sure many would put their name forward and volunteer) While they are stuck at home doing nothing ?

So can anybody come up with a devils advocate defence of why there isn’t more infrastructure in place for the contact tracing?

billybonkers · 21-10-2020 09:41AM

seamus wrote: »

23,000 calls a day = 161,000 calls a week. 500 tracers working a 40 hour week = 20,000 working hours.

Which means that each tracer would need to make 8 calls an hour in order to keep up. Which is 7.5 minutes per call to make the call and to do all of the admin work that arises out of it. If they ring someone to get a list of their close contacts and that person has 30 names, then you're going to go way over your 7.5 minutes.

And that assumes that none of your contact tracers are out sick, or on annual leave, etc.

We had 1,500 army personnell drafted in to do it in April, I wonder why the same hasn't happened again.

Its was over the week that was a typo

Boggles · 21-10-2020 09:42AM

Drumpot wrote: »

So anybody can be a contact tracer? Thousands of people on PUP and none of them can even ask to do the job if they want? (I’m sure many would put their name forward and volunteer) While they are stuck at home doing nothing ?

So can anybody come up with a devils advocate defence of why there isn’t more infrastructure in place for the contact tracing?

Complete and utter ineptitude?

It's a type of defence.

21-10-2020 09:42AM

Boggles wrote: »

We do it a little differently here.

Musicians and accountants.

Anyone with a phone who can use excel should be sufficient

Boggles · 21-10-2020 09:43AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Anyone with a phone who can use excel should be sufficient

You don't even need that anymore.

Everyone is a contact tracer now.

Woohoo!

Except for the schools, under no circumstances will they be allowed self trace and inform anyone.

21-10-2020 09:43AM

froog wrote: »

We get it, you want the schools open at all costs. Do you really need to post the same thing several times every single day about it?

Its not something I have previously posted.

sonofenoch · 21-10-2020 09:43AM

nthclare wrote: »

I know this threads busy, but what's wrong with a single middle aged,young or elderly man or woman living alone, just getting into their car for a spin out to a headland and getting sea air, going fishing or foraging, a swim.

Especially people who are lonely and suffer from depression or have social anxiety.

Some people need their routine and this could save them from the tipping point, they're harming no one.

Last time was stopped on the motorbike a few times .....once told to turn round and go back, another said 'you're not allowed out for a spin'

wirelessdude01 · 21-10-2020 09:46AM

Boggles wrote: »

You don't even need that anymore.

Everyone is a contact tracer now.

Woohoo!

Except for the schools, under no circumstances will they be allowed self trace and inform anyone.

We all know why!!

21-10-2020 09:47AM

Does this mean that the airports will be closed?

AlphaDelta1 · 21-10-2020 09:47AM

Im sorry but there is zero excuse for the arse to fall out of the track and trace system, literally none. We have hundreds of thousands of people getting 350 a week for sitting around watching TV or walking their dog out of which hundreds could have been trained up. The sheer and utter incompetence of it all is frightening.

Anyone with even a fraction of intelligence knew a surge was extremely likely and yet they did nothing.

ixoy · 21-10-2020 09:50AM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Im sorry but there is zero excuse for the arse to fall out of the track and trace system, literally none. We have hundreds of thousands of people getting 350 a week for sitting around watching TV or walking their dog out of which hundreds could have been trained up. The sheer and utter incompetence of it all is frightening.

Not to mention there's a number of state employees sitting around as they're public facing so currently not working. They can be re-deployed.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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