Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

lawrencesummers · 21-10-2020 07:38AM

It’s a pity our PR fee collecting media doesn’t have the balls to call out the failure and falling apart of contact Tracing for what it actually is.

A broken healthcare system.

Just plain broken.

Ironic that one of the worst health ministers in the history of the state is now the Taoiseach presiding over this.

rob316 · 21-10-2020 07:48AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It’s a pity our PR fee collecting media doesn’t have the balls to call out the failure and falling apart of contact Tracing for what it actually is.

A broken healthcare system.

Just plain broken.

Ironic that one of the worst health ministers in the history of the state is now the Taoiseach presiding over this.

But but he brought in the smoking ban. He has built his career off that.

rob316 · 21-10-2020 07:51AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Just after watching PT
Is McConkey a real doctor or did he get it from an online course - every time someone asks a question of him (that other doctor tonight who speaks very well) he just pulls a furrowed brow face like he has no idea what was just asked

Some clown college gave him something anyway. The most outlandish predictions he comes up with and absolute doomsdayer.

iamwhoiam · 21-10-2020 07:57AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Contact Tracing sat on a wall, Contact Tracing had a great fall; All the government's ministers and all the HSE's men, couldn't put Contact Tracing back together again.

And that in a eggshell is why were are in lockdown for 6 weeks now .

Funsterdelux · 21-10-2020 07:59AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Contact Tracing sat on a wall, Contact Tracing had a great fall; All the government's ministers and all the HSE's men, couldn't put Contact Tracing back together again.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

And that in a eggshell is why were are in lockdown for 6 weeks now .

Ye crack me up

weldoninhio · 21-10-2020 08:00AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Yeah, they were the poster boys and girls first wave.

They brought in masks early on.

Deaths similar trend

Once they get the masks back on, their figures should fall off a cliff within a week/10 days? Since masks are so effective?

iamwhoiam · 21-10-2020 08:03AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Ye crack me up

Would be hilarious if it wasnt so sad and true unfortunetly .

Funsterdelux · 21-10-2020 08:04AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Once they get the masks back on, their figures should fall off a cliff within a week/10 days? Since masks are so effective?

Sure, why not?

Wear them at home and in bed.

Busi_Girl08 · 21-10-2020 08:06AM

Department of Education instructs principal to reopen school he closed because of covid.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/department-of-education-instructs-principal-to-re-open-school-he-closed-because-of-covid-39647433.html

The principal closed the school after 7 cases were confirmed across students of 500. The DOE told him to reopen.

Have to feel bad for the principal here. He's trying his best to keep his students and staff safe and this happens. Not sure what difference a few days before the mid term break would make bit the DOE seem to want to safe face.

Funsterdelux · 21-10-2020 08:26AM

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

Department of Education instructs principal to reopen school he closed because of covid.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/department-of-education-instructs-principal-to-re-open-school-he-closed-because-of-covid-39647433.html

The principal closed the school after 7 cases were confirmed across students of 500. The DOE told him to reopen.

Have to feel bad for the principal here. He's trying his best to keep his students and staff safe and this happens. Not sure what difference a few days before the mid term break would make bit the DOE seem to want to safe face.

A principal with principles

Plumbthedepths · 21-10-2020 08:28AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Remember when the nursing homes took restrictions into their own hands and were told off for it back at the start of this?

Anyone remember how that turned out?

Ssh you're not supposed to mention them. I believe Tony said not to blame anyone, not surprised he said that either. As I remember Tony asked nursing homes not to act unilaterally like we had no idea last March who were the most vulnerable. The news about Italy was fake.

Boggles · 21-10-2020 08:29AM

Fúcking Omnishambles!

FlubberJones · 21-10-2020 08:33AM

To be honest I hope to see cases skyrocket in schools, they closed everything else without any intelligence but left them open. Why state that kids are better off in school, there are plenty of adults that are better off going to the gym, yet they closed them. IDIOTS.

21-10-2020 08:34AM

EDit wrote: »

What an utter clusterfcuk! We now have to rely on people to do their own contact tracing... I can see that working well

What do we think contact tracing really is?

Can you tell me who you were in close contact within 48 hours of getting symptom?
Can you give me their contact details?

That's essentially it, and any reasonable individual should have contacted anyone they interacted with once they got the result (or even when they were going for a test to give them the heads up).

Trouble is many of us are not reasonable people, and many people have this misplaced sense of shame or embarrassment at relating that information to others, and the expectation that its not my responsibility, its governments job.

If more people took some personal responsibility, we would not be near the current levels. Contact tracing should also have been better resourced, and that is a government failing.

manniot2 · 21-10-2020 08:36AM

Its a farce beyond all comprehension, but "what else can we do"

Busi_Girl08 · 21-10-2020 08:37AM

FlubberJones wrote: »

To be honest I hope to see cases skyrocket in schools, they closed everything else without any intelligence but left them open. Why state that kids are better off in school, there are plenty of adults that are better off going to the gym, yet they closed them. IDIOTS.

I'd like to see more egg on the DOE and DOH's face like anyone, but I'd also like be able to see my family in Limerick this Christmas.

21-10-2020 08:38AM

FlubberJones wrote: »

To be honest I hope to see cases skyrocket in schools, they closed everything else without any intelligence but left them open. Why state that kids are better off in school, there are plenty of adults that are better off going to the gym, yet they closed them. IDIOTS.

Nice guy

The White Wolf · 21-10-2020 08:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What do we think contact tracing really is?

Can you tell me who you were in close contact within 48 hours of getting symptom?
Can you give me their contact details?

That's essentially it, and any reasonable individual should have contacted anyone they interacted with once they got the result (or even when they were going for a test to give them the heads up).

Trouble is many of us are not reasonable people, and many people have this misplaced sense of shame or embarrassment at relating that information to others, and the expectation that its not my responsibility, its governments job.

If more people took some personal responsibility, we would not be near the current levels. Contact tracing should also have been better resourced, and that is a government failing.

I would like to think duty to others would first over misplaced shame. Concealing it from others who could end up losing someone because of it..... that burden should weigh way heavier than someone's embarrassment.

Words fail me at the thought someone can't see this tbh.

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 08:42AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

A principal with principles

A principal doing a solo run, just talking to his board and making public health calls about his region was going to end one way.

Doctors room ghost · 21-10-2020 08:42AM

FlubberJones wrote: »

To be honest I hope to see cases skyrocket in schools, they closed everything else without any intelligence but left them open. Why state that kids are better off in school, there are plenty of adults that are better off going to the gym, yet they closed them. IDIOTS.

The only idiot here is you.you should be ashamed of yourself wishing to “see cases Skyrocket” in schools.
What a horrible thing to say.
You’d wonder where humanity is going when you see posts like that.

Softshoulder · 21-10-2020 08:43AM

This is barely a lockdown. So many businesses are going to be open.

You'd have a shorter list of businesses closing than opening:

- Pubs
- Restaurants
- Barbers
- Clothes shops
- Retailers
- Gyms

Phone shops staying open, car dealers staying open, electrical outlets staying open, opticians staying open, banks staying open, landrettes and drycleaners staying open.

Doctors room ghost · 21-10-2020 08:45AM

FlubberJones wrote: »

To be honest I hope to see cases skyrocket in schools, they closed everything else without any intelligence but left them open. Why state that kids are better off in school, there are plenty of adults that are better off going to the gym, yet they closed them. IDIOTS.

Can the mods pull this horrible post and ban this nasty ignoramus

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 08:46AM

FlubberJones wrote: »

To be honest I hope to see cases skyrocket in schools, they closed everything else without any intelligence but left them open. Why state that kids are better off in school, there are plenty of adults that are better off going to the gym, yet they closed them. IDIOTS.

Is this an angry teenager alert or just roid rage?! Do you yearn for people you dislike to be infected with horrible diseases? Either way you might want to do some reflection on what you are actually contributing to society!

j@utis · 21-10-2020 08:46AM

FlubberJones wrote: »

To be honest I hope to see cases skyrocket in schools, they closed everything else without any intelligence but left them open. Why state that kids are better off in school, there are plenty of adults that are better off going to the gym, yet they closed them. IDIOTS.

I want to remind you that schools are somewhat childcare facilities for many parents that have no other option but to go to work [essential workers]. Are you free to mind my children if that happens? For free of course, because we pay upfront for afterschool care and that's non-refundable, and we're not paying twice for the same thing.
I hate them for closing the gyms too, btw.

statesaver · 21-10-2020 08:49AM

So, we are where we are with this six weeks lockdown because contact tracing broke down and the Government couldn't be bothered increasing ICU beds over the last 8 months. Jesus wept.

Boggles · 21-10-2020 08:49AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That's essentially it, and any reasonable individual should have contacted anyone they interacted with once they got the result (or even when they were going for a test to give them the heads up).

Indeed.

The problem with that is in regards to schools the parents and principle were expressly forbidden from doing this.

Add to that fact that DOE policy dictates that if parents of students decide themselves they are close contacts and choose to stay at home and self isolate, those kids were not to be given any home resources in terms of education.

So yeah a reasonable individual may do a lot of things, a system that is unreasonable will try and make sure they don't.

Boggles · 21-10-2020 08:50AM

is_that_so wrote: »

A principal doing a solo run, just talking to his board and making public health calls about his region was going to end one way.

DIY public health calls is policy now, did you miss the memo?

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 08:53AM

Boggles wrote: »

Indeed.

The problem with that is in regards to schools the parents and principle were expressly forbidden from doing this.

Add to that fact that DOE policy dictates that if parents of students decide themselves they are close contacts and choose to stay at home and self isolate, those kids were not to be given any home resources in terms of education.

So yeah a reasonable individual may do a lot of things, a system that is unreasonable will try and make sure they don't.

They are declaring themselves unavailable for school or work and in normal circumstance wouldn't get any support anyway.

21-10-2020 08:54AM

Boggles wrote: »

Indeed.

The problem with that is in regards to schools the parents and principle were expressly forbidden from doing this.

Add to that fact that DOE policy dictates that if parents of students decide themselves they are close contacts and choose to stay at home and self isolate, those kids were not to be given any home resources in terms of education.

So yeah a reasonable individual may do a lot of things, a system that is unreasonable will try and make sure they don't.

Thats why close contact protocols for workplaces , schools and other organised facilities where people gather should be clear, with minimum ambiguity and managed at a local level. It is a mistake to take contact tracing in schools out of the hands of principals or a designated covid officer within the location

is_that_so · 21-10-2020 08:55AM

statesaver wrote: »

So, we are where we are with this six weeks lockdown because contact tracing broke down and the Government couldn't be bothered increasing ICU beds over the last 8 months. Jesus wept.

Contact tracing is breaking down because of the sheer numbers of cases and their respective contacts.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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