Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

MOH wrote: »

This is just nuts. It's very possible I'm misreading this, but the SI they published today appears to say, in relation to licensed premises:
- in general, only allowed on the premises to order/collect takeaway food or non-alcoholic drink (11.3.b)
- in Dublin, no alcohol consumption on the premises without a substantial meal (11.3.d)
- in Dublin, record the details of the substantial meals ordered by each person in a group (12.1.c)
- in general, don't serve food or drink to anyone unless they're sitting at a table (12.1.d)

So combined: you can't get anything in any licensed premises except takeaway or non-alcoholic drink, you have to eat a substantial meal with your alcohol if you're in Dublin, and you can't get served any of it anywhere unless you're sitting at a table.

I can only assume I'm misreading it as otherwise it's totally self-contradictory.

Haven't read the full thing but they were definitely told last night takeaway only including "wet pubs". But I do think its still as you were so no wet pubs doing takeaway in Dublin, i think.

IAMAMORON wrote: »

The entire reason for their closure is purely political.

The gov do not want to be seen to being negligent. I was speaking to pals in Germany last Friday, all of them back from the pub.

A German court overturned a government ruling last week closing bars from 11pm on the grounds there was no evidence it would help curb coronavirus:

Ruling on a case brought by 11 restaurant owners, the administrative court noted that new infections in Germany currently stem from private gatherings of family and friends, at community facilities, meat-processing plants, religious gatherings or in connection with travel.

But obviously it's a completely different scenario since none of those other sources of infection have ever applied here.

I don't get this whining. Non stop.
Would you like us to rub your back for you, or tell you that we are sorry you had to go through this, God love you.

some older folk won't get the chance to have there few Christmas drinks.

Yes they will. They just mightn't be able to have them in a pub, but I would imagine the way that people are acting in the pubs, most of them probably wouldn't want to.

I am guessing here, but if restrictions are eased before Christmas, they will just be lowered to level 3. That means idiots can have their pints, and everyone else can also have a drink knowing that they are a little bit safer.
I don't know anyone that doesn't know of at least one pub that didn't flout the restrictions. I also don't know anyone that doesn't know where there have been some parties, where there are people who 'don't give a shit about covid' and/or where there have been people ignoring lockdown restrictions and for example, crossing borders.

If people cannot have a drink at Christmas, I know exactly who I believe is to blame for the restrictions preventing them.

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Everyone completely ignoring the fact that lockdowns don't work.

So the plan is to get cases down, shut the country down for 6 weeks grand.

Then what, open up again and cases go up again. This is absolutely pointless.

I think it's geared towards us having a kinda half-decent Christmas. The idea is if we get cases down enough we can ease restrictions enough to enable us to visit each other's houses over the festive period.

In lieu of a vaccine, I'm not sure there are too many realistic options to keep cases down whilst also allowing us to spend time with family this Christmas

MrStuffins wrote: »

I think it's geared towards us having a kinda half-decent Christmas. The idea is if we get cases down enough we can ease restrictions enough to enable us to visit each other's houses over the festive period.

In lieu of a vaccine, I'm not sure there are too many realistic options to keep cases down whilst also allowing us to spend time with family this Christmas

I just can't see it though... 6 weeks brings up til the start of December, typically the busiest times for retail and pubs etc, I can just see the gov turning around and saying "January lads"... and that will be that. At this stage I'm not even overly fussed with the pubs opening, just to get back to some sort of normality would be nice. I just can't see it happening in 2020.

i honestly cant see it happening in 2021 either , i really think we will still be under level2/3 this time next year

The March lockdown was always destined to fail because of open border/airports. Was chatting to a buddy in New Zealand this evening and he was saying how seriously they treated people flying into the country, two week stay in a special hotel that cost 3k... that stopped a tonne of people coming in and if they did just stopped the virus dead while we had feck all. It was pointless, as is this sham lockdown.

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I just can't see it though... 6 weeks brings up til the start of December, typically the busiest times for retail and pubs etc, I can just see the gov turning around and saying "January lads"... and that will be that. At this stage I'm not even overly fussed with the pubs opening, just to get back to some sort of normality would be nice. I just can't see it happening in 2020.

If that's what happens, then a whole extra demographic of people across the nation are just gonna say 'fxck this' and go to house parties for the month. The same people who have been abiding by the rules and guidelines will say what's the point anymore.

And I will be one of them. I've been to one party since March, which was an outdoor garden party. A small one with people from 5 households, around 10 people. Except for that, I have largely followed all rules and guidelines, wearing a mask before they were compulsory. I'll be going to a lot more house parties, indoors, in December if retail opens and pubs don't. Sick of being cooped up at home for 23 hours a day. I have absolutely zero social interaction with anybody while working from home and all public areas a no-go area now. Even the last 4-6 weeks have felt like level 5.

Dickie10 wrote: »

i honestly cant see it happening in 2021 either , i really think we will still be under level2/3 this time next year

Realistically even an approved vaccine doesn't mean the world takes a magic pill that makes the virus disappear. I think the use of vaccines will conincide with restrictions for awhile.

DeanAustin wrote: »

When you say lock downs are pointless and destined to fail, what do you mean? Are you expecting lock downs to get rid of the virus?

anyone who doesn't recognise that the effects of lock downs are much worse than the gains they make by temporarily bringing cases down for a while needs to do a bit more thinking.
We already had a lockdown.
Martin came out yesterday and said we would be having more lock downs.
There will be no business left to open.
People mental health is going off the cliff.
It's madness.
They are just going to sink the country into a deeper hole.

DeanAustin wrote: »

I’m not a fan of them but it’s not that cut and dry. The lockdown is to keep the numbers down so the health service doesn’t get overwhelmed which could result in a lot more Covid and non Covid deaths. That’s reasonable logic for implementing them. It’s not madness at all. It’s just a logical decision I disagree with.

I err on your side of the argument. I think the negative effects of a lockdown outweigh the benefits. But there are no good choices here. Just a government trying to find a balance between letting an economy die and letting vulnerable people die. A lockdown will never get rid of the virus if that’s people’s expectation. This is probably going to be the cycle until a vaccine is going.

I have my opinions on this but, they’re largely uneducated opinions like most on here. I think we should trust the government and NPHET because I really believe they are doing what they think is right and they are better placed to make those calls than you, me or anyone on here.

Fair points but lockdowns are going to cause a lot more deaths than covid.
Suicides must be going through the roof, depression from jobs losses, domestic abuse, people not getting treatment for non-related covid cases.
There is a tsunami of the above on the way.
I know they have to try and manage the hospitals but a doctor working in cork
this week said they were managing fine.
They only changed the rules last week to stop people calling to other peoples houses give this time to work.
Whats the point jumping from 1 level to a level that doesn't even exist.
Sure cases are high but thats throughout europe and hospitalisations and deaths are no where near now what they were at the start and this is without people being more compliant with hand washing, face masking etc.
From talking to people living in some different countries abroad the panic abroad is nothing like here.
It's a state of fear .

SAMTALK wrote: »

This X 100 ..

The amount of people saying the Government are doing this wrong, NPHET are doing this wrong is unreal.

Yes there are a lot of things I dont agree with but who am I to question them on decisions made for the safety of people.

One of the issues is that a lot of the people "questioning" are the type who have the words "Question Everything" in their Twitter bio. They spend so much time questioning everything that it ends up in them believing 5G is turning the frogs gay and chemtrails are causing Ireland to draw 0-0 in every international match.

Not to mention those who just have a problem with authority. The Govt. are asking me to to something? I'm not doing it!

We have people with no medical conditions making excuses to doctors in order to get out of wearing masks. They think they're too smart for the rest of society.

"Want me to wear a mask? Well here's my doctor's note! Checkmate, supermarket manager who is putting his/her health on the line every day in work. I'm smarter than you"

Suckit wrote: »

I don't get this whining. Non stop.
Would you like us to rub your back for you, or tell you that we are sorry you had to go through this, God love you.

So why do you keep whining? It's tiresome

I don't know anyone that doesn't know of at least one pub that didn't flout the restrictions.
If people cannot have a drink at Christmas, I know exactly who I believe is to blame for the restrictions preventing them.

I know a couple of pubs which were openly flouting the restrictions for months and should have been been closed down and had their license renewal refused. Gardai completely ignored them, no consequences. Anecdotally, a couple of them were visited on Saturday and told to keep the numbers down, but that was it.
I know a greater number of pubs which followed all the rules, didn't try to exploit any food loopholes, kept waiting for the various promised reopening date which never came, and are almost certainly gone for good now.

I know exactly who to blame if people cannot have a drink at Christmas - the incompetent government and health advisors who have repeatedly lied to the public and businesses, and are now flapping at the barn door while all the horses are halfway down the N11.

newuser99999 wrote: »

That would NEVER happen. Even in the HSE you don’t have to get the flu shot.

Not at the moment - however that is being bandied about at the moment. If you don't get it you may not be allowed to work in the clinical areas. Now its just being casually dropped into meetings and I can see the Unions jumping all over it but still!