Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

Kivaro · 20-10-2020 07:41AM

Reading the main Covid thread, it sounded like there was some sort of orgy of bad news going on at RTE last night when they announced Level 5 restrictions.
Do you know when you hear the warning on Sky Atlantic and other channels about the content of a program e.g. "The following program may contain scenes that some viewers might find distressing". This warning should be compulsory on all RTE news and current affairs going forward, but with the added warning of "exuberant negativity".

As the timer ticked down to the 7 a.m news on RTE's Morning Ireland this morning, the announcer gleefully announced at the start of the news: "Welcome to Level 5 restrictions".
What in the fluck is wrong with these people? "Welcome" to Level 5?
For everyone's mental health in the next 6 weeks, I would advise people to ignore RTE altogether.

ButtersSuki · 20-10-2020 08:29AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Reading the main Covid thread, it sounded like there was some sort of orgy of bad news going on at RTE last night when they announced Level 5 restrictions.
Do you know when you hear the warning on Sky Atlantic and other channels about the content of a program e.g. "The following program may contain scenes that some viewers might find distressing". This warning should be compulsory on all RTE news and current affairs going forward, but with the added warning of "exuberant negativity".

As the timer ticked down to the 7 a.m news on RTE's Morning Ireland this morning, the announcer gleefully announced at the start of the news: "Welcome to Level 5 restrictions".
What in the fluck is wrong with these people? "Welcome" to Level 5?
For everyone's mental health in the next 6 weeks, I would advise people to ignore RTE altogether.

I wouldn’t listen to Liveline then if I were you! Or watch The Late Late Show.

Kivaro · 20-10-2020 08:39AM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I wouldn’t listen to Liveline then if I were you! Or watch The Late Late Show.

Believe you me, I don't.
Not only due to the content of these 2 programs, but due to both hosts being appallingly poor quality and extremely difficult to listen to.

ButtersSuki · 20-10-2020 09:10AM

Kivaro wrote: »

Believe you me, I don't.
Not only due to the content of these 2 programs, but due to both hosts being appallingly poor quality and extremely difficult to listen to.

And both are paid more than the Taoiseach................

Elmo · 20-10-2020 09:33AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They usually have plenty of RTE show promotions they put on during ad slots, is there only so many of them they are allowed show an hour?

Broadcasters can air as many promos as they want in an hour, the are limited to the number of ads they can air.

Muahahaha · 20-10-2020 03:57PM

rdwight wrote: »

The lack of ads was going on long before pandemic.

yep and the dead ad space seems to be filled a lot with that ad telling us paying our tv license is one of the conditions of living in Ireland, the patronising kunts

TomTomTim · 20-10-2020 04:41PM

Kivaro wrote: »

Reading the main Covid thread, it sounded like there was some sort of orgy of bad news going on at RTE last night when they announced Level 5 restrictions.
Do you know when you hear the warning on Sky Atlantic and other channels about the content of a program e.g. "The following program may contain scenes that some viewers might find distressing". This warning should be compulsory on all RTE news and current affairs going forward, but with the added warning of "exuberant negativity".

As the timer ticked down to the 7 a.m news on RTE's Morning Ireland this morning, the announcer gleefully announced at the start of the news: "Welcome to Level 5 restrictions".
What in the fluck is wrong with these people? "Welcome" to Level 5?
For everyone's mental health in the next 6 weeks, I would advise people to ignore RTE altogether.

They constantly remind me of David McSavage's Joe Duffy impression, where he gets great satisfaction from misery. The media class has always loved fear porn, and they simply don't care about the societal impact. There's always a crisis to sell to the masses.

Elmo · 20-10-2020 04:44PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

They constantly remind me of David McSavage's Joe Duffy impression, where he gets great satisfaction from misery. The media class has always loved fear porn, and they simply don't care about the societal impact. There's always a crisis to sell to the masses.

schadenfreuden stockholm syndrome

NIMAN · 20-10-2020 06:27PM

Kivaro wrote: »

Reading the main Covid thread, it sounded like there was some sort of orgy of bad news going on at RTE last night when they announced Level 5 restrictions.
Do you know when you hear the warning on Sky Atlantic and other channels about the content of a program e.g. "The following program may contain scenes that some viewers might find distressing". This warning should be compulsory on all RTE news and current affairs going forward, but with the added warning of "exuberant negativity".

As the timer ticked down to the 7 a.m news on RTE's Morning Ireland this morning, the announcer gleefully announced at the start of the news: "Welcome to Level 5 restrictions".
What in the fluck is wrong with these people? "Welcome" to Level 5?
For everyone's mental health in the next 6 weeks, I would advise people to ignore RTE altogether.

"Warning, this programme contains George Lee" would suffice.

But on a more general note, RTE really need to address their negative attitude to everything. Its not just Covid, but I do think they are loving it, they are going so OTT about it now. They have the cheek to keep going on about mental health and how we can't let it get you down, but they are hammering negativity on every single chance they get.

Sure look at their flagship "entertainment show" every Friday night. Misery, Misery, RTE colleague, someone selling a book, misery, cancer, sick kid. Thats EVERY FECKIN week now for years. They can't push misery enough.

Listen to Tubs radio show, more often than not the person getting interviewed will be someone with a sad story about death, kids illness or cancer.

Then on to LiveLine.....rinse and repeat.

Then on to Darcy, more misery and delivered by a miserable host.

And just to be pedantic, if Morning Ireland started this morning with "Welcome to Level 5", they were wrong, it doesn't start til tomorrow night. But I suppose they just wanted to start our days off with a touch of negativity.

I have often heard mental health experts say to stay away from negative things and people trying to bring you down....so as someone about said, maybe its time to ditch RTE.

rdwight · 20-10-2020 09:12PM

Second half just starting in streamed Champions League game. Nary an ad except quick sponsor flash and RTE competition during half time. Apart from analysis "Programme Resumes Shortly" displayed all through half time.

wtf, Dee. PSG v. Man Utd not attracting enough viewers to sell advertising?

NIMAN · 20-10-2020 09:34PM

Looks like there will be pay rises at rte in January?

https://m.independent.ie/business/rte-told-to-end-freeze-of-incremental-pay-rises-for-staff-39646964.html

sligojoek · 20-10-2020 09:42PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Looks like there will be pay rises at rte in January?

https://m.independent.ie/business/rte-told-to-end-freeze-of-incremental-pay-rises-for-staff-39646964.html

Topic No1 on Liveline tomorrow.

elperello · 20-10-2020 10:00PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Looks like there will be pay rises at rte in January?

https://m.independent.ie/business/rte-told-to-end-freeze-of-incremental-pay-rises-for-staff-39646964.html

Not pay rises.

Elmo · 20-10-2020 10:05PM

elperello wrote: »

Not pay rises.

No? Increments.

So we see RTÉ have be given an increase in funding for next year as the NSO move to the NCH. What improvements should we expect? rather than looking at the past.

elperello · 20-10-2020 10:14PM

Elmo wrote: »

No? Increments.

So we see RTÉ have be given an increase in funding for next year as the NSO move to the NCH. What improvements should we expect? rather than looking at the past.

Yes Increments.

I think the move to the NCH is a good idea. Should be better for NSO and RTE.

I don't know, do you expect improvements?

As I've said before I would prefer to decide on the overall future of Public Broadcasting before making any major changes.

Elmo · 20-10-2020 10:35PM

elperello wrote: »

Yes Increments.

I think the move to the NCH is a good idea. Should be better for NSO and RTE.

I don't know, do you expect improvements?

As I've said before I would prefer to decide on the overall future of Public Broadcasting before making any major changes.

This is a major change it moves one of RTÉ's brands away from RTÉ. This is part of that over all future. When do you expect a decision on the overall future of public broadcasting/media? in the meantime should RTÉ and TG4 continue on as the are regardless without any improvements?

RabbleRouser2k · 20-10-2020 10:41PM

Vogue talking about Level 5...

This is where your license fee goes... So important they had to put it on the RTE website...

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/1020/1172677-vogue-on-level-5-my-heart-just-sank-for-businesses/

elperello · 20-10-2020 10:45PM

Elmo wrote: »

This is a major change it moves one of RTÉ's brands away from RTÉ. This is part of that over all future. When do you expect a decision on the overall future of public broadcasting/media? in the meantime should RTÉ and TG4 continue on as the are regardless without any improvements?

Not a major change to the core business of broadcasting.

I don't see the point in RTE holding on to the NSO if it can prosper at NCH.

I really don't know at this stage. Would prefer sooner rather than later.

What kind of improvements had you in mind?

Idbatterim · 20-10-2020 10:45PM

Who the fcuk watches the cancer? You cant be here bitching about rte and supportimg them by watching them at the same time! How msny of those gob****es, will take a job loss salary reduction dowm to e203 for a month, the crocodile tears these champagne charlies pretend to shed for the " poor and vulnetable " is nauseating

Bowlardo · 20-10-2020 10:49PM

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Vogue talking about Level 5...

This is where your license fee goes... So important they had to put it on the RTE website...

https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/1020/1172677-vogue-on-level-5-my-heart-just-sank-for-businesses/

Made me think of dave chappelle 9/11 and Ja Rule

Elmo · 20-10-2020 11:08PM

elperello wrote: »

Not a major change to the core business of broadcasting.

I don't see the point in RTE holding on to the NSO if it can prosper at NCH.

I really don't know at this stage. Would prefer sooner rather than later.

What kind of improvements had you in mind?

But Elperello the point is this is 2% of RTÉ overall budget, its 6million in savings, not only that but in 2018 TG4's licence fee funding was return to RTÉ for 2019, 4.5million, and at the end of 2019 RTÉ was given 10m. From 2018 to 2021 RTÉ will have an extra €20m in funding.

Is this not a starting point.

Should RTÉ not attempt to reform their output, things they have control off.

Take RTÉ News Now which they supposedly rebranded, did you notice any difference to RTÉ News Now and RTÉ News other than a name change. There is something simple that RTÉ could reform in the morning. They have the ablity, if you saw budget coverage or business coverage on the 1pm news you'd see that RTÉ can have a simple ticker on the bottom of the screen. This is an improvement it costs nothing.

And how about the complaint brought up here where advertising on a broadcast channel is cut from their online stream?

Promoting shows RTÉ are a wash will million euro worth of Imports which are barely promoted.

They had an the first showing of The Lodgers (Irish Film) during the summer, put on at 11:30 at night on RTÉ2, no promos for it, but Pretty Woman is promoted and its put on at 9:30 the same night. Irish V content that is on a million times. Neither available on the player. Surely you promo Irish content.

None of that costs a penny. no no but lets wait.

21-10-2020 06:09AM

elperello wrote: »

Not pay rises.

Increment = annual pay rise. So yes, pay rises.

NIMAN · 21-10-2020 07:46AM

elperello wrote: »

Not pay rises.

Will RTE be paying out more money in wages?

Answer is yes, so if it looks like a duck.....

And them looking to save €60,000,000 too.:rolleyes:

sligojoek · 21-10-2020 09:20AM

Either that or less work for the same money.

Maysa07 · 21-10-2020 10:19AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Will RTE be paying out more money in wages?

Answer is yes, so if it looks like a duck.....

And them looking to save €60,000,000 too.:rolleyes:

RTE put a freeze on increments and sneaked a "inability to pay" into some staff contracts without any consultation. It was wrong and they have been found out.
Not all who work in RTE are on massive salaries so this is good news to the ordinary workers ,so to speak.
It just shows how the senior managers at RTE operate and adds to the overall public criticism for how top level executives operate within RTE.

elperello · 21-10-2020 10:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Increment = annual pay rise. So yes, pay rises.

Increments only apply until you reach the top of the pay scale ie. the rate of pay for the job. Therefore no actual pay rises. Ask someone you know who works in the public service to explain it.

NIMAN wrote: »

Will RTE be paying out more money in wages?

Answer is yes, so if it looks like a duck.....

And them looking to save €60,000,000 too.:rolleyes:

Have another look at the link you posted. It is quite clear that the suspension of increments only affected those on relatively lower pay.

21-10-2020 10:24AM

The continued use of increments is out-of-date, lazy and rewards time served, not ability. More realistic is a meritocracy, with periodic reviews based on performance. But, of course, we are talking RTE here. If Noel Kelly is batting for you, the sky’s the limit

elperello · 21-10-2020 10:35AM

Elmo wrote: »

But Elperello the point is this is 2% of RTÉ overall budget, its 6million in savings, not only that but in 2018 TG4's licence fee funding was return to RTÉ for 2019, 4.5million, and at the end of 2019 RTÉ was given 10m. From 2018 to 2021 RTÉ will have an extra €20m in funding.

Is this not a starting point.

Should RTÉ not attempt to reform their output, things they have control off.

Take RTÉ News Now which they supposedly rebranded, did you notice any difference to RTÉ News Now and RTÉ News other than a name change. There is something simple that RTÉ could reform in the morning. They have the ablity, if you saw budget coverage or business coverage on the 1pm news you'd see that RTÉ can have a simple ticker on the bottom of the screen. This is an improvement it costs nothing.

And how about the complaint brought up here where advertising on a broadcast channel is cut from their online stream?

Promoting shows RTÉ are a wash will million euro worth of Imports which are barely promoted.

They had an the first showing of The Lodgers (Irish Film) during the summer, put on at 11:30 at night on RTÉ2, no promos for it, but Pretty Woman is promoted and its put on at 9:30 the same night. Irish V content that is on a million times. Neither available on the player. Surely you promo Irish content.

None of that costs a penny. no no but lets wait.

It doesn't matter which part of the public purse the money comes from it all should be accounted for and the best value achieved.

You outline some interesting suggestions for low outlay improvements. I'm sure we could all come up with good ideas to improve RTE for little or no cost. The problem is getting those ideas implemented.

I have no problem with RTE doing the best they can until we decide on the long term future for Public Broadcasting.

I don't think the "fire someone, cut someone's pay, close something down, sell something" so called solutions are helpful.

Elmo · 21-10-2020 10:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The continued use of increments is out-of-date, lazy and rewards time served, not ability. More realistic is a meritocracy, with periodic reviews based on performance. But, of course, we are talking RTE here. If Noel Kelly is batting for you, the sky’s the limit

Largely increments are away to keep wages down in the Public Service. Instead of starting at the average salary point you are put on to a incremental system were by your starting point is much lower than that of the commercial sector. Over the course of 10 years you should end up just above the commercial sector.

Not saying that is how it is working but that is the idea.

elperello · 21-10-2020 10:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The continued use of increments is out-of-date, lazy and rewards time served, not ability. More realistic is a meritocracy, with periodic reviews based on performance. But, of course, we are talking RTE here. If Noel Kelly is batting for you, the sky’s the limit

That is an interesting suggestion and perhaps a new system of remuneration could be part of any new Public Broadcasting Service in the future. For now the current system applies and should be honoured.

Worth noting that increments don't apply to contractors pay.

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

Comments

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore