Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

So I calculate that public funding at RTÉ will be up by at least 20m in 2021 from 2018.

In budget 2019 TG4 share of the license fee was given back to RTÉ it was worth 4.5m in 2018
At the end of 2019 after presure from RTÉ the government gave them €10m for 2020.
In 2021 the NSO moves to the NCH worth about 7m in expenditure.

that 20 to 22m in public funding RTÉ will be up, I doubt anyone will be talking about this.

rdwight wrote: »

Can anyone tell me why I see "Programme Resumes Shortly"/"Fann Linn" during commercial breaks when streaming RTE/TG4 programmes rather than revenue earning ads?

Many of those who would normally advertise don't have any major revenue coming in.
So they can't pay for adverts since.

RTE can't air adverts if they don't have em.

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Many of those who would normally advertise don't have any major revenue coming in.
So they can't pay for adverts since.

RTE can't air adverts if they don't have em.

Thanks. But this issue pre-dates Covid ad crisis. It has been true as long as I've been streaming. I've never been able to understand it. I believe a significant percentage of RTE viewers access content by streaming so should be attractive option for advertisers (when they have revenue themselves).

fritzelly wrote: »

They pay for advertising on broadcast tv and they pay for advertising on streaming - simples

Are you say that because ads on streamed content are paid for separately then RTE sell less of them? Why would that be the case? There might be advantages to advertising on streamed content (e.g. better targetting) Anyway, if advertisers aren't as keen surely RTE could adjust pricing models to attract ads.

I think scrapping TG4 would be awful. And let's see these orchestras put to better use.

Elmo wrote: »

I assume you are talking about live tv schedules.

So for example if I decide to set up my monitor to watch RTÉ ONE, 2, VM ONE, VM TWO, VM THREE and TG4 live the ads during live broadcast get the following screens.

I think VM seem to be adding Player ads separate to the programmes, but the question remains why can't their live broadcast ads play?

I heard it was down to clearance issues.

Thanks Elmo. I'm pretty sure I get the same Fann Linn type screen on both live and player streams

I'm not sure what you mean by clearance issues. Do you mean licensing?


I'm still mystified (and, given RTE's constant warnings about revenue, annoyed) by this. At first I assumed it was some technical issue to do with the settings on my devices, but this doesn't seem to be the case.

What makes it more mystifying is that I watch Channel4 quite a bit and they manage to deliver ads (for Irish goods and services).

It doesn't seem to be technical problem (Channel4 gets around whatever ad-blocking etc I have on my devices)

It can hardly be licensing issue (ditto re Channel4)

It surely can't be a sales issue. If I still ran a business I'd be on like a shot to RTE advertising department to see if I could buy time to sell to the very large audience that strewam RTE programmes.

Any answers please?

Elmo wrote: »

I don't think I have watch C4 live stream online (I don't think its available on the Irish Version of All4). In any case it could be similar to Virgin Media were the block of broadcast TV ads are replaced by online ads, I'd watch Virgin Media TV again for you but... I just can't sorry, sitting in front of 5 ads before the live version of muck TV comes on would kill me.

Both RTÉ and TG4 don't swap out the ads instead they put that screen up, however if you stream a show from either you will get a few ads mid-stream but not the FAN LINN/HOLDER SCREEN screen as posted above.

At least I have never seen it on anything I have stream on either player, except for live broadcast streams.

And I believe the reason is copyright!

Thanks Elmo.

I stream Channel4 both live using UK ip and in "player" mode using ROI ip.
There are ads on both and they are aimed at ROI audience when I use ROI ip.

I can't for the like of me see why RTE can't manage the same. Why aren't RTE selling advertising time to the advertisers who are buying ROI advertising time from Channel4?

I don't understand what copyright issue are invvovled. Programme content is more likely to be subject to copyright than advertisements surely?

Slightly off topic but I recently watched an episode of Seinfeld on all4. The picture was perfect, or as perfect as it could be for something that was made in the 90s. Then I watched the next episode on RTE player (Same device. Same TV) and I'd say it was in 480i. There were pixels everywhere. You might get away with it on a tablet or phone but it was a disgrace on a 43in TV.

As for the ads I never look at them. Let the dog out, Make tea or find something else to do while they're on.

fritzelly wrote: »

Could be and very likely the music - licenced for broadcast on tv but not the web

As for the advertising time - maybe the advertisers are targetting the C4 demographic (we all know what the RTE demographic is...)

Thanks fitz

Why wouldn't music (in ads you mean presumably) be a copyright problem for Channel 4 as well as RTE?

If the demographic was a problem then surely RTE could price their ad time to outweigh that. The number of people streaming RTE in ROI would be much larger than those streaming Channel 4

I can't see why lack of willing advertisers should be a problem. If you have trouble selling a product you price it accordingly. From a revenue point of view, getting a pittance from the local butcher for advertising space is better than a Fann Linn board.

sligojoek wrote: »

Slightly off topic but I recently watched an episode of Seinfeld on all4. The picture was perfect, or as perfect as it could be for something that was made in the 90s. Then I watched the next episode on RTE player (Same device. Same TV) and I'd say it was in 480i. There were pixels everywhere. You might get away with it on a tablet or phone but it was a disgrace on a 43in TV.

As for the ads I never look at them. Let the dog out, Make tea or find something else to do while they're on.

Oddly enough, it's the lack of ads I'm exercised by. It's not that I want to watch ads but seeing the Fann Linn screen while Dee Forbes plays an béal bocht is bad for my blood pressure.

I'm still mystified.

rdwight wrote: »

Oddly enough, it's the lack of ads I'm exercised by. It's not that I want to watch ads but seeing the Fann Linn screen while Dee Forbes plays an béal bocht is bad for my blood pressure.

I'm still mystified.

Sorry just to point out that TG4 are a separate entity, and that screen is a strange one I agree. Anyone want to email info@rte.ie to see if they will reply for answer on that

I was watching the live stream of RTÉ ONE the other night and noticed it didn't carry ads during the programmes is their a reason for this?

I would but I is in their bad books lol

rdwight wrote: »

Asking RTE directly is a good idea that I've never really thought of because I assumed I wouldn't get a sensible answer.

This is what will happen

1. They won't reply :rolleyes:
2. They'll tell you its because of copy-right reasons.

Deleted User wrote: »

Ensemble forecasting

Maybe we should all email our guesses for upcoming weather and we could have Big Data Forcecasting


Actually I don't like to be too critical of Met Eireann because they do a good job.
As do RTE in the main (big salaries, canteen recruiting of guests etc excepted).

Deleted User wrote: »

FWIW, I think Met Éireann do a good job too.

Ensemble forecasting is actually a real thing, btw

One lives and one learns. Ta.