Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

dominatinMC · 20-10-2020 03:01PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1318543412107399169

Interesting, but then again this is probably Leo leaking that as usual. "Senior government sources"

If that transpires as it's alleged in that tweet, it will be a devastating step too far. I expect every hospitality group/representative body will be lobbying the government hard on this issue - and with legitimate grounds to do so. If the government attempt to keep the hospitality sector closed over Christmas, there will not be one there in the new year. Ridicilous over the top, nanny-statism at it's finest worst.

MOH · 20-10-2020 03:06PM

Bizarrely, according to level 5 as it's currently written:

- Pubs outside Dublin can do takeaway or delivery (drink)
- Pubs in Dublin are closed
-Restaurants and food pubs (everywhere) can do "Take away food or delivery only." So a restaurant or pub that serves food can not do take away drink, with or without food.

Great coherent planning there

IAMAMORON · 20-10-2020 03:17PM

Unless you live across the road or upstairs this concept of take away pubs is complete nonsense. A lot less hassle to buy a few cans.

Santy2015 · 20-10-2020 04:07PM

No Christmas Eve pints this year or a few pints watching the early premier league games on st Stephen’s day!

mikekerry · 20-10-2020 04:43PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

No Christmas Eve pints this year or a few pints watching the early premier league games on st Stephen’s day!

you've got to wonder how many of them will reopen after this or when they will actually get the go-ahead to open again.
This is the death knell for some many.
And why is ireland the only country where many pubs have been closed since march.
Serious questions should be asked.

stephenjmcd · 20-10-2020 04:48PM

mikekerry wrote: »

you've got to wonder how many of them will reopen after this or when they will actually get the go-ahead to open again.
This is the death knell for some many.
And why is ireland the only country where many pubs have been closed since march.
Serious questions should be asked.

Quite simply put unless they were doing a decent turnover before lockdown its doubtful they'll reopen, even at that some of the bigger ones will probably struggle.

Huge amount won't reopen

El_Duderino 09 · 20-10-2020 04:56PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Quite simply put unless they were doing a decent turnover before lockdown its doubtful they'll reopen, even at that some of the bigger ones will probably struggle.

Huge amount won't reopen

Yes. I think we all know some businesses will suffer during covid and some won't survive it. I'd support government help for people who llse their jobs and businesses during covid. Grants to help people retrain, start new businesses, employment support and so on. It will all be funded through tax at some point or another but that's the way of it.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 20-10-2020 05:06PM

mikekerry wrote: »

you've got to wonder how many of them will reopen after this or when they will actually get the go-ahead to open again.
This is the death knell for some many.
And why is ireland the only country where many pubs have been closed since march.
Serious questions should be asked.

I understand why the gov are doing it but absolutely winds me up is the gobshïtes saying “if we only obeyed the rules”... the finger has to be pointed squarely at this gov and previous for not doing one solitary thing to help the health service. Continually throwing money at it hasn’t done a thing but make consultants richer. Where are all the extra ICU beds since March? They still haven’t done shït apart from buying PPE.

Santy2015 · 20-10-2020 05:10PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Quite simply put unless they were doing a decent turnover before lockdown its doubtful they'll reopen, even at that some of the bigger ones will probably struggle.

Huge amount won't reopen

The amount that won’t reopen will have severe knock on affects on other businesses as well. It’s an absolute **** show. Last night MM should’ve had the end game spelled out to all of us at least then you don’t see ****e being leaked and pessimistic Leo and Paschal saying level 3 for Xmas. That isn’t good enough. Every citizen deserves a hell of a lot more and fûck Christmas is where we all come together for the craic, food and drink. Let us have it!!

MrStuffins · 20-10-2020 05:14PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Every citizen deserves a hell of a lot more and fûck Christmas is where we all come together for the craic, food and drink. Let us have it!!

While every citizen deserves it, it's those who have been having their craic at the expense of everyone else who have been contributing to the high numbers we're seeing at the moment.

They'll probably still be having their gaff parties at Christmas and not giving a rats while the rest of us suffer. Sad really!

Santy2015 · 20-10-2020 05:19PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

While every citizen deserves it, it's those who have been having their craic at the expense of everyone else who have been contributing to the high numbers we're seeing at the moment.

They'll probably still be having their gaff parties at Christmas and not giving a rats while the rest of us suffer. Sad really!

It is the house parties that have caused the majority of this and work placed clusters!! It’s just shows what the government and public health think of the hospitality industry. Willing to let it drown!

PTH2009 · 20-10-2020 05:20PM

any chance the EU could jump in and help ?

PommieBast · 20-10-2020 05:22PM

mikekerry wrote: »

you've got to wonder how many of them will reopen after this or when they will actually get the go-ahead to open again.
This is the death knell for some many.

My view is that only around 25% will reopen under the same management.

MrStuffins · 20-10-2020 05:22PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

any chance the EU could jump in and help ?

Don't think the EU will be concerned with closing down house parties in Clondalkin, but if you want to ask fire away!

Open the Pubs · 20-10-2020 05:31PM

I think the Vintners have not served their members well in some ways. They should not be talking about closing off licenses or off licensing closing times.

To most people that looks utterly cynical, and it is not their remit. It just looks like an attempt to take down offies with them. I am far more of a pub man than cans but other people aren't, why do Vintners even get involved in that discussion? Leave it to politicians

Open the Pubs · 20-10-2020 05:35PM

Also I read an article today about Vintners on about sheebens and home bars, and how they want more Gardai enforcement and how there are hundreds now around the country.

That is nothing to do with Vintners how does that help struggling publicans?

dominatinMC · 20-10-2020 05:39PM

PommieBast wrote: »

My view is that only around 25% will reopen under the same management.

A bit on the pessimistic side! It's not as if the market has disappeared overnight, people still want to frequent pubs - there was plenty of evidence of that for the few weeks that they were actually allowed open. I think it's the uncertainty of the whole situation (not knowing when you can reopen, buy stock, etc.) that's going to result in people calling it a day.
The only remaining chink of light on the horizon is a vaccine, and if the government can provide an end date for restrictions, you'd hope that publicans will persist until then.

20-10-2020 05:41PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Unless you live across the road or upstairs this concept of take away pubs is complete nonsense. A lot less hassle to buy a few cans.

Why not give a publican a few bob too though?

The White Wolf · 20-10-2020 05:41PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Unless you live across the road or upstairs this concept of take away pubs is complete nonsense. A lot less hassle to buy a few cans.

I think people just do it more for patronage than anything else. People know they're not getting value and that's not the point of it.

Wouldn't be for me personally either. It's sad seeing pubs reduced to it through no fault of their own.

Maxpfizer · 20-10-2020 05:46PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

So the young and the old are more likely to do their bit for society and get the vaccine. The middle aged more likely to be anti vaxers (by whatever name they call themselves).

Like I said earlier, the anti vaxers will all have terribly clever reasons why they won't get the vaccine. They're far too clever to be vaccinated - but don't call them anti-vaxers for their anti-covid vaccination stance.

How did folk who are skeptical about a vaccination, developed in under 12 months and for a virus that they may not present a significant danger to them personally, get bundled in with eejit parents who don't want their kid to get an MMR vaccination because they think it causes Autism?

For years "anti-vaxxer" was used to refer to these people specifically and, since many of them appear to be raving loons, is kind of an insult term in a lot of ways.

You are doing nothing more than attempting to apply that baggage and the connotations that come with the label to people who have genuine concerns.

Hey you know that virus we just found out about a year ago?
You know how vaccines usually take a decade to develop?
Well, guess what!? Medicine Corp has spent billions making this new vaccine and will make many more billions selling it! Isn't that great?
The Miracle Cure is here and the best people worked on it. Just the best. You'll be bigly cured in no time!

What's that? You're not convinced? ANTI-VAXXER!

PTH2009 · 20-10-2020 05:46PM

Are the Government trying to prove how good they are to the other EU nations for not allowing pubs open ??

Pubs all over Europe were open months before us and even in places who had very high covid numbers ??

mikekerry · 20-10-2020 05:50PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Are the Government trying to prove how good they are to the other EU nations for not allowing pubs open ??

Pubs all over Europe were open months before us and even in places who had very high covid numbers ??

And for Varadkar to come out today to say they wouldn't be open for Xmas after informing us about the lockdown lady night is just so blasse. No information on an end game or reopening time frame. Jyat 'they won't be open for xmad:. It's sickening

MrStuffins · 20-10-2020 05:51PM

Maxpfizer wrote: »

How did folk who are skeptical about a vaccination, developed in under 12 months and for a virus that they may not present a significant danger to them personally, get bundled in with eejit parents who don't want their kid to get an MMR vaccination because they think it causes Autism?

I agree with this. I'm very much pro vaccines. I've taken many vaccines in my life.

Vaccines don't cause Autism and they're not making the frogs gay.

However, I won't be top of the queue for this one. I'm not in the at-risk group so i'll be waiting to see what the effects might be before I have it stuck in my arm.

PTH2009 · 20-10-2020 05:52PM

you can be sure the Government and NPHET will have a christmas piss up in the private dail bar :mad::mad:

MOH · 20-10-2020 05:54PM

This is just nuts. It's very possible I'm misreading this, but the SI they published today appears to say, in relation to licensed premises:
- in general, only allowed on the premises to order/collect takeaway food or non-alcoholic drink (11.3.b)
- in Dublin, no alcohol consumption on the premises without a substantial meal (11.3.d)
- in Dublin, record the details of the substantial meals ordered by each person in a group (12.1.c)
- in general, don't serve food or drink to anyone unless they're sitting at a table (12.1.d)

So combined: you can't get anything in any licensed premises except takeaway or non-alcoholic drink, you have to eat a substantial meal with your alcohol if you're in Dublin, and you can't get served any of it anywhere unless you're sitting at a table.

I can only assume I'm misreading it as otherwise it's totally self-contradictory.

hynesie08 · 20-10-2020 05:55PM

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Unless you live across the road or upstairs this concept of take away pubs is complete nonsense. A lot less hassle to buy a few cans.

I like craft beer and supporting local lads tryna make a few Bob, rather walk 15 minutes and buy 4 cans for 13 than walk 5 and give tesco a tenner..... Growlers are ****ing delicious as well.

IAMAMORON · 20-10-2020 05:58PM

The White Wolf wrote: »

I think people just do it more for patronage than anything else. People know they're not getting value and that's not the point of it.

Wouldn't be for me personally either. It's sad seeing pubs reduced to it through no fault of their own.

It is a total gimmick.

Cold Guinness out of a can tastes the same as draught Guinness in a plastic glass.

The off licenses are making a small fortune, they will never have seen sales like it.

The biggie for the brewers is what they do about their supply chain? I mean they are used to producing X amount of kegs per month. What are they doing since the lockdown began? Surely there is a completely different process around filling kegs as opposed to cans?

Some flutes posting around here harping on about social distancing and house parties, they don't get the half of it. Think about the delivery drivers out of work. Lab technicians. Quality Control. Bar staff. Waiting staff. Hotel staff. None of these people will get the luxury of working from home behind a laptop and a camera. These people are now looking at being on the scratch since last March, potentially a year without work and a total loss of their livelihoods. It is a disaster.

PommieBast · 20-10-2020 06:09PM

dominatinMC wrote: »

A bit on the pessimistic side! It's not as if the market has disappeared overnight, people still want to frequent pubs - there was plenty of evidence of that for the few weeks that they were actually allowed open. I think it's the uncertainty of the whole situation (not knowing when you can reopen, buy stock, etc.) that's going to result in people calling it a day.

I expect most pubs will reopen, but with a year of unpaid rent/bill coupled with publicans who are simply fed up, a lot of them will be under new management.

mikekerry · 20-10-2020 06:14PM

PommieBast wrote: »

I expect most pubs will reopen, but with a year of unpaid rent/bill coupled with publicans who are simply fed up, a lot of them will be under new management.

And is there a bunch of people lining up just to take over these, places? I doubt that somehow.
The country is going to be a wasteland after this.
The main plus about living in Ireland was the crack.
That's now gone

20-10-2020 06:24PM

Maxpfizer wrote: »

How did folk who are skeptical about a vaccination, developed in under 12 months and for a virus that they may not present a significant danger to them personally, get bundled in with eejit parents who don't want their kid to get an MMR vaccination because they think it causes Autism?

For years "anti-vaxxer" was used to refer to these people specifically and, since many of them appear to be raving loons, is kind of an insult term in a lot of ways.

You are doing nothing more than attempting to apply that baggage and the connotations that come with the label to people who have genuine concerns.

Hey you know that virus we just found out about a year ago?
You know how vaccines usually take a decade to develop?
Well, guess what!? Medicine Corp has spent billions making this new vaccine and will make many more billions selling it! Isn't that great?
The Miracle Cure is here and the best people worked on it. Just the best. You'll be bigly cured in no time!

What's that? You're not convinced? ANTI-VAXXER!

Exactly. It's the usual tactic of trying to apply silly labels to people, in hope they will 'give in' and go along with what said person desires. I personally couldn't care less about such labels, and I don't see why anyone else would. In fact, I genuinely only became of aware of the term 'anti-vaxxer' very recently, so it doesn't mean anything to me.
Like, if a friend offers me a cocktail of mixed spirits he's just created himself, and I politely decline, am I suddenly "anti-drink"? Nah, I'm just sensible :pac:

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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