Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Oranage2 · 20-10-2020 03:31PM

Softshoulder wrote: »

I think this "lockdown" will be way way different to the last one.

- There's way less restrictions.
- GAA and schools allowed open.
- Construction open. FFS work being done in a home is allowed.

Last lockdown everyone was inside. This one there's going to be loads more activity. The kids will be out and about after school too.

And this is why it won't be effective, this plan is pointless, we'll be in and out of lockdowns for the foreseeable future. Just do it properly or come up with an alternative plan. This one will be pointless otherwise

Plumbthedepths · 20-10-2020 03:33PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Fergal Bowers, as usual, offering some sensible thoughts.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1020/1172731-fergal-bowers-covid-19/

He's dour but his comments are well thought out and devoid of hyperbole.

stephenjmcd · 20-10-2020 03:33PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

They have an estimate of the number of cases missed. Serelogical studies in june give an idea of true case numbers prior to then.

It really doesn't, that study was fairly flawed to be honest. 5k invited and 5k didn't take part. Sample set in the end was absolutely tiny.

nimrod86 · 20-10-2020 03:34PM

manniot2 wrote: »

What I dont understand is why we are trying to achieve this level of cases (which bring a miniscule death % attached) when it comes with such a cost. Surely any simple person capable of doing a cost benefit analysis can see that.

Maybe because there are those of us who don't fancy taking our chances of being a part of that "miniscule death %", or the still fairly unknown long term effects of the virus?

is_that_so · 20-10-2020 03:35PM

ednwireland wrote: »

add the impossible targets R number below .5 and cases below 100 no way will this lockdown be lifted after 6 weeks
https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/ireland-restrictions-tony-holohan-reveals-19135457

theres no honesty at all form this government about what they want to achieve. at 100 cases a day we will be in lockdown in 4 weeks after opening up

Well, it's not their number it's NPHET's and even that is contingent. That the government ducked and dived on their to this juncture shows they aren't doing it willingly. If it is still going sideways or "not going the right way" in 3-4 weeks that is the time to honestly admit that Christmas is off.

quokula · 20-10-2020 03:36PM

manniot2 wrote: »

What I dont understand is why we are trying to achieve this level of cases (which bring a miniscule death % attached) when it comes with such a cost. Surely any simple person capable of doing a cost benefit analysis can see that.

Pretty much every government in Europe is on the road to implementing similar restrictions, and they're all being advised by people who are well capable of doing a cost benefit analysis and who have full access to the data. Which suggests you're incorrect.

I'm still amazed by how many people have such short memories that they can't remember the mass graves and the utter catastrophes that befell hospitals in places that didn't get the virus under control in time last time. The virus hasn't changed. We know what happens if we don't get it under control. Let's not let it get there.

is_that_so · 20-10-2020 03:37PM

nimrod86 wrote: »

Maybe because there are those of us who don't fancy taking our chances of being a part of that "miniscule death %", or the still fairly unknown long term effects of the virus?

For very many of us getting hit by a dozen buses is a much bigger possibility!

nthclare · 20-10-2020 03:38PM

quokula wrote: »

Pretty much every government in Europe is on the road to implementing similar restrictions, and they're all being advised by people who are well capable of doing a cost benefit analysis and who have full access to the data. Which suggests you're incorrect.

I'm still amazed by how many people have such short memories that they can't remember the mass graves and the utter catastrophes that befell hospitals in places that didn't get the virus under control in time last time. The virus hasn't changed. We know what happens if we don't get it under control. Let's not let it get there.

What mass graves ?

JDD · 20-10-2020 03:38PM

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-17-october-2020.pdf

Can anyone tell me how we had between 300-350 available general hospital beds in the first half of last week, raising to approx 370 on Friday, and then rising massively to 625 available beds on Saturday?

Where did all the bed occupiers go? Are they cancelling "elective" procedures again or god help us, moving old people back into nursing homes?

You can look for comparison purposes at all the data for last week here. https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/coronavirus-daily-operations-updates.html

The number I am talking about is on Page 9.

Oranage2 · 20-10-2020 03:40PM

manniot2 wrote: »

What I dont understand is why we are trying to achieve this level of cases (which bring a miniscule death % attached) when it comes with such a cost. Surely any simple person capable of doing a cost benefit analysis can see that.

Government is a popularity contest and single healthy people with no dependents are in the minority.

froog · 20-10-2020 03:40PM

manniot2 wrote: »

What I dont understand is why we are trying to achieve this level of cases (which bring a miniscule death % attached) when it comes with such a cost. Surely any simple person capable of doing a cost benefit analysis can see that.

Hang on, I'll just get my human life cost calculator there and run the numbers real quick. Simple.

quokula · 20-10-2020 03:40PM

nthclare wrote: »

What mass graves ?

The ones in New York, Brazil and Iran are the ones I know of.

is_that_so · 20-10-2020 03:41PM

nthclare wrote: »

What mass graves ?

Brazil had them mostly and in Italy it was the army trucks. It's a logic device that is supposed to persuade us of something.

Santy2015 · 20-10-2020 03:43PM

These businesses must be sick with worry! Another 10 weeks at least shut!
How many will emerge....
harrowing! Some amount of jobs and livelihoods down the drain!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40067942.html?fbclid=IwAR2_7fREBAlmcv_VyCDpOHgwuZs_glTC2N3NSOnew8H0eEYXY82mzjyMvtY

zinfandel · 20-10-2020 03:43PM

US2 wrote: »

Anyone know if you can claim PUP without proof of address ?

no, would be very open to fraud

Plumbthedepths · 20-10-2020 03:45PM

quokula wrote: »

The ones in New York, Brazil and Iran are the ones I know of.

A mass grave has existed on Hart's island in New York for centuries. That's where the indigent has always being buried.

nthclare · 20-10-2020 03:45PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Brazil had them mostly and in Italy it was the army trucks. It's a logic device that is supposed to persuade us of something.

I seen no international news about it.

niallo27 · 20-10-2020 03:46PM

quokula wrote: »

Pretty much every government in Europe is on the road to implementing similar restrictions, and they're all being advised by people who are well capable of doing a cost benefit analysis and who have full access to the data. Which suggests you're incorrect.

I'm still amazed by how many people have such short memories that they can't remember the mass graves and the utter catastrophes that befell hospitals in places that didn't get the virus under control in time last time. The virus hasn't changed. We know what happens if we don't get it under control. Let's not let it get there.

What places, I'm presume your talking about Italy which was before we knew anything about this virus. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions.

quokula · 20-10-2020 03:47PM

niallo27 wrote: »

What places, I'm presume your talking about Italy which was before we knew anything about this virus. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions.

Exactly. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions. Yet people are using this as an argument not to bring in restrictions. Can you not see how devoid of logic that is?

SleetAndSnow · 20-10-2020 03:47PM

nthclare wrote: »

I seen no international news about it.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-president-jair-bolsonaro-dismissive-as-overwhelmed-brazilians-dig-mass-graves-11981428

https://www.businessinsider.com/photos-brazil-mass-graves-experts-anticipate-covid-19-deaths-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/30/brazil-manaus-coronavirus-mass-graves

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-italian-army-called-in-to-carry-away-corpses-as-citys-crematorium-is-overwhelmed-11959994

It literally only takes a simple google search, international news a few months back. As the OP said they 'had' them. Unsure of now

Gruffalux · 20-10-2020 03:48PM

niallo27 wrote: »

What places, I'm presume your talking about Italy which was before we knew anything about this virus. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions.

And yet you argue day in day out against them.

Sakana · 20-10-2020 03:49PM

Gemma bullying an old guy on the street into taking his mask off.

How can this not be a Garda matter?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1318234233052237830

Kh1993 · 20-10-2020 03:49PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

These businesses must be sick with worry! Another 10 weeks at least shut!
How many will emerge....
harrowing! Some amount of jobs and livelihoods down the drain!
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40067942.html?fbclid=IwAR2_7fREBAlmcv_VyCDpOHgwuZs_glTC2N3NSOnew8H0eEYXY82mzjyMvtY

To put it bluntly, not many of the lockdown cheerleaders will care. Collateral damage for locking down. Stick them on the €350 and let them watch Netflix.

is_that_so · 20-10-2020 03:50PM

nthclare wrote: »

I seen no international news about it.

Just pictures mostly, the Brazilian ones pop up from time to time.

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 03:51PM

nthclare wrote: »

I seen no international news about it.

Seriously? It was all over the news at the time.

quokula · 20-10-2020 03:51PM

Kh1993 wrote: »

To put it bluntly, not many of the lockdown cheerleaders will care. Collateral damage for locking down. Stick them on the €350 and let them watch Netflix.

Being paid €350 to watch Netflix sounds better than watching your relative's funeral over Skype.

niallo27 · 20-10-2020 03:52PM

quokula wrote: »

Exactly. No country has been overwhelmed since we brought in restrictions. Yet people are using this as an argument not to bring in restrictions. Can you not see how devoid of logic that is?

Gruffalux wrote: »

And yet you argue day in day out against them.

I'm not against restrictions, masks, social distancing, good hygiene, keep pubs closed all should be kept, I'm against having the harshest lockdown in the world, I'm against closing retail and this ridiculous 5k limit.

wirelessdude01 · 20-10-2020 03:53PM

Sakana wrote: »

Gemma bullying an old guy on the street into taking his mask off.

How can this not be a Garda matter?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1318234233052237830

What an utter cow. How does she still have followers?

odyssey06 · 20-10-2020 03:53PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A mass grave has existed on Hart's island in New York for centuries. That's where the indigent has always being buried.

But a lot more indigent were dying...

From Snopes:
New York’s Hart Island has been used as a burial site for unclaimed persons for more than 150 years. In April 2020, additional trenches were dug on the island to accommodate for an increase in unclaimed burials during the COVID-19 pandemic. While it’s unclear how many of the recently deceased died from the disease, the number of burials on Hart Island increased from about 25 a week to 25 a day.

is_that_so · 20-10-2020 03:53PM

quokula wrote: »

Being paid €350 to watch Netflix sounds better than watching your relative's funeral over Skype.

By all accounts people are down to the dregs on Netflix by now!

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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