Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

TonyMaloney · 20-10-2020 01:20PM

niallo27 wrote: »

OK so the thursday before level 5 was advised over 2 weeks ago when nphet said no counties needed to move from level 2, did these models not show the same problems. What data did they get in 2 days, and the only variable they are using is the r value, its not some complex algorithm believe me.

hahaha, no thank you

Glynn was under significant pressure from politicians and media to open pubs and keep the level low.
He wrote a letter to the gov where he outlined many of his concerns, but seemed to somewhat bottle the recommendation.

20-10-2020 01:21PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Twenty years ago there’d be no lockdown and masks would be optional. The internet has a lot to answer for.

Yep it's given conspiracy theorists and other people as thick as a plank the ability to post stuff to more people as thick as they are.

mohawk · 20-10-2020 01:21PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Who is to say what is non essential or not? What the hell is wrong with click and collect? We need to give business every chance to survive.

I am not disagreeing with you. I am fully behind everyone doing their bit to support business. Basically click and collect is allowed which I support fully. Yet shopping is not listed as essential. They are bringing in fines for going beyond 5km from your home therefore I think it should be clear what we can go beyond the 5km for. The Guards won’t fine me for grocery shopping but I wonder if they can fine me if journey isn’t for going to pick something up from a bookstore or another shop not deemed to be essential. Those that don’t stick to the rules will just lie about where they are going anyway. Those that do stick to the rules won’t avail of click and collect if there is uncertainty around it. The last thing any business needs is uncertainty especially right now.

eagle eye · 20-10-2020 01:21PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Daily operations report from last night before it was deleted from site

Why was it deleted?

Away With The Fairies · 20-10-2020 01:22PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Nature publishing study on reinfection. Seems UK are also getting people prepared for the likelihood.

https://twitter.com/alinouriphd/status/1318299845287923713?s=21

https://twitter.com/alinouriphd/status/1318299847775092743?s=21

So these re-infections aren't outliers. But we live in Ireland so that's an exception.

CoronaBlocker · 20-10-2020 01:22PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Government could have suggested an alternative too. Reality is we have to have these rolling lockdowns because underinvestment and poor management of resources in health system and because government have decided zero covid not feasible. Doesn't leave many options left.

Underinvestment was never the issue. It was all on the mismanagement/waste side of things. Scan budgets going back 20 years if you need to.

niallo27 · 20-10-2020 01:23PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

hahaha, no thank you

Glynn was under significant pressure from politicians and media to open pubs and keep the level low.
He wrote a letter to the gov where he outlined many of his concerns, but seemed to somewhat bottle the recommendation.

Did you quote the wrong person

pjohnson · 20-10-2020 01:24PM

polesheep wrote: »

I doubt they would pay for a flight and go to all the trouble associated with air travel just to make a point about masks. The situation we find ourselves in is pushing some people over the edge. It's to be expected.

There was a good few in the relaxation thread saying they would. And discussing "tactics" to avoid it. I think they agreed nursing a glass of water was "the best" way to "win".

Golfman64 · 20-10-2020 01:25PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Anyone know if the golf courses are to close?

Not confirmed yet but I would imagine likely to be closed. There would be too much resentment from those who can't play other sports or live outside 5K. Ridiculous but given the sledgehammer approach being taken in general to restrictions and the head in the sand attitude to mental and physical health aside from Covid, I can't see it being allowed.

JimToken · 20-10-2020 01:27PM

CoronaBlocker wrote: »

Underinvestment was never the issue. It was all on the mismanagement/waste side of things. Scan budgets going back 20 years if you need to.

I said it before

There should have been a cheaper spec ICU designed for the Covid crisis

The space and beds should be ready and Existing and new staff should be ready and trained to man them

20-10-2020 01:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think Tony H has broken the people in the relaxation thread. Wonder will the next step to be to blame immigration in some way for the lockdowns?

Kermit isn’t banned from that thread so he is stirring it up nicely

growleaves · 20-10-2020 01:28PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Not confirmed yet but I would imagine likely to be closed. There would be too much resentment from those who can't play other sports or live outside 5K. Ridiculous but given the sledgehammer approach being taken in general to restrictions and the head in the sand attitude to mental and physical health aside from Covid, I can't see it being allowed.

Theres even less danger from tennis since you're on your own side of the net but tennis courts were closed last time around.

Stheno · 20-10-2020 01:31PM

JimToken wrote: »

I said it before

There should have been a cheaper spec ICU designed for the Covid crisis

The space and beds should be ready and Existing and new staff should be ready and trained to man them

A cheaper spec ICU?

Now I'm not a medical professional but my understanding is those that get very sick in ICU need huge amounts of supports over and above ventilation so would be getting the most high spec beds available, with huge amounts of equipment required, along with the staff of course

seamus · 20-10-2020 01:31PM

Eamonn Ryan said yesterday that golf courses would have to close, but he's been known to be wrong in the past! Very little golf this time of year anyway, it's usually too wet and windy.

Driving ranges may be allowed to remain open as they'd constitute individual training/practice.

JimToken · 20-10-2020 01:31PM

growleaves wrote: »

Theres even less danger from tennis since you're on your own side of the net but tennis courts were closed last time around.

Restrictions are like car parks

If there's only 1 free car park it'll be jammers

mohawk · 20-10-2020 01:31PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

You can identify who started a cluster through an effective ITTIC programme (investigate, trace, test (including rapid targeted testing) , isolate and control). Using the retrospective tracing method, it's possible to identify who started the chain of transmission. This can only be achieved when cases are at a manageable level and with compliance, impossible currently.

In terms of stats, there is plenty of data to suggest that up to 20% of people are responsible for 80% of infections. Once you break the chain of transmission, the number of cases decreases dramatically as has been achieved in Eastern Countries, such as Taiwan, South Korea Japan

In pharma industry clean rooms there are about 10% of people who can’t work in them because they are Supershredders and will contaminate the product. Based on that I would well believe it’s a minority spreading the majority of cases as they are just leaving more virus after them then others. I recently read something about a Japanese Doctor saying how important it is to track down the superspreaders to get a handle on the numbers... I wish I could remember where I read it.

JimToken · 20-10-2020 01:33PM

Stheno wrote: »

A cheaper spec ICU?

Now I'm not a medical professional but my understanding is those that get very sick in ICU need huge amounts of supports over and above ventilation so would be getting the most high spec beds available, with huge amounts of equipment required, along with the staff of course

Horses for courses

It can be done and needs to be done more cheaply for covid

eagle eye · 20-10-2020 01:33PM

GT89 wrote:

Hospitals are far from overrun

About two weeks at most from being overrun without a lockdown.

Sakana · 20-10-2020 01:34PM

Thinking of starting up an oul' shebeen.

Happydays2020 · 20-10-2020 01:35PM

snotboogie wrote: »

ICU up to 35, those in hospital up to 315

The NPHET has 100 in ICU On Saturday week. Let’s hope it does not come to that.

jam_mac_jam · 20-10-2020 01:35PM

polesheep wrote: »

I doubt they would pay for a flight and go to all the trouble associated with air travel just to make a point about masks. The situation we find ourselves in is pushing some people over the edge. It's to be expected.

And some people are just arseholes.

Fast Twitch · 20-10-2020 01:39PM

Any news of positive swabs today? Suppose it's a bit early.

BringBackMick · 20-10-2020 01:40PM

Fast Twitch wrote: »

Any news of positive swabs today? Suppose it's a bit early.

usually about 3

Fast Twitch · 20-10-2020 01:40PM

I work in the public sector..my boss is telling me with confidence we'll be back in our offices in November. Wonder where she's getting that from? No real review i thought in the 6 weeks..

Cluedo Monopoly · 20-10-2020 01:41PM

All the people that voted FF and FG for decades and accepted the massive waste, inaction and bureaucracy within the HSE cannot have much to complain about at the moment. The chickens have come home to roost.

The 2 permanent power parties didn't even bother increasing ICU capacity over the summer.

BringBackMick · 20-10-2020 01:41PM

Sounds to me like Dobbo has some symptoms

lawred2 · 20-10-2020 01:41PM

ixoy wrote: »

Let's all adopt UTC, save ourselves some hassle.

be great

especially as it would mean next to nothing for us here in Ireland would really change

Happydays2020 · 20-10-2020 01:42PM

Fast Twitch wrote: »

I work in the public sector..my boss is telling me with confidence we'll be back in our offices in November. Wonder where she's getting that from? No real review i thought in the 6 weeks..

November 2021?

Cluedo Monopoly · 20-10-2020 01:42PM

eagle eye wrote: »

About two weeks at most from being overrun without a lockdown.

How do the numbers compare with March/April?

growleaves · 20-10-2020 01:42PM

JimToken wrote: »

Restrictions are like car parks

If there's only 1 free car park it'll be jammers

Yes but (if they ban doubles) it still the case that only two people will fit on a tennis court at one time and those two people will be separated by the net.

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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