Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

patnor1011 wrote: »

So?
Do you have anything factual to add to counter what they wrote?

Yes I have the following actual facts.

The only part of the article that is vaguely factual is that two vaccine Trials that use aborted fetal cells have been temporarily suspended.

Everything else is poorly researched, understood and dangerous drivel.

I will go through the truth.

At this time, it is not known whether the two individuals (one from each trial) were given the vaccine or the placebo. Your article is completely based on the assertion that it was from the use of aborted cells but without any evidence.

Secondly, Cells derived from elective abortions have been used since the 1960s to manufacture vaccines, including current vaccines against rubella, chickenpox, hepatitis A, and shingles. They have also been used to make approved drugs against diseases including hemophilia, rheumatoid arthritis, and cystic fibrosis. The cells used are decades old and all sides including anti abortion Groups and all senior church leaders including the Vatican have Affirmed and reaffirmed that in the absence of alternatives, Catholics could, in good conscience, receive vaccines made using historical human fetal cell lines.

There is not one shred of evidence that vaccines have any connection with neurological disorders. The article suggests that the named vaccines cause a fatal brain disease only seen in cannibalism. The two patients have a symptoms of spinal information. It is common in trials that incidents like this happen, but to suggest that it is from a well established historical fatal cell line, which is used in so many established vaccines is a lie,

Both pharmaceutical companies temporarily paused the trials to investigate the issue and has not been directed to by a regulator. If there was even a shred of truth of what is described the whole comPanay would be chained and investigated. There has been reports of quality control issues in one plant but no further evidence.

Late-stage trials of the Oxford University’s ChAdOx1 vaccine (also christened AZD1222 and Covishield in India) are taking place in the UK, India, South Africa and Brazil. Trials, however, are on hold in the US. The vaccine candidate may get required clearances by Christmas in the UK, a report in The Times said.

The second trial which halted in September has now resumed, so completely destroys the abhorrent lies in the opinion piece you quoted.

Not one group, religious order or sane person puts forward the dangerous bs your article did, in fact the only basis that they have any issue with is that people should be given the opportunity, if possible to be vaccinated with a vaccine that doesn’t contain feral cells. But if not possible they affirm their agreement.

You copy and pasted an article that is banned as being unsafe and untrue propaganda. The fact that you would try and argue that vaccines are akin to cannibalism is akin to describing someone who floats a witch. Why simply plagiarise a whack job literary diarrhoea and then demand facts to counter it. Seeing as you had no facts yourself and put forward lies is everything that needs to be known.

Captain_Crash wrote: »

How many cases were linked back to pubs? And how many cases are linked back to schools? Because ones been closed and the other “isn’t a significant factor in the rise of cases”

Regarding licences, Berlin D2 for their licence renewed despite Garda objection!

School kids are picking it up from home more than any where?


Cases link to pubs: Over 66 in one county as a result of one party and then guess attended again the following week to celebrate a county final win.


36 from another gaa party where a player played county final while waiting on test result and partied afterwards.

These 2 i know as relations were involved.

average_runner wrote: »

School kids are picking it up from home more than any where?


Cases link to pubs: Over 66 in one county as a result of one party and then guess attended again the following week to celebrate a county final win.


36 from another gaa party where a player played county final while waiting on test result and partied afterwards.

These 2 i know as relations were involved.

Do you have any links to data regarding the school kids picking it up at home! And does the fact that the definition of a close contact in a school being vastly different to a close contact in the street massage these figures at all? Last I read was that schools were a huge factor (prior to contact criteria being changed)

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’ve said from the start that we either keep locking down until there is a vaccine or the money runs out.

The vaccines look like they won’t provide immunity so I don’t believe they’ll end this. Unless the narrative can be spun. For example, removing probable and possible deaths. Not including already dying folk in the deaths.

We are likely waiting on our money to run out and then we will be forced to live with Covid.

Let’s pray the borrowers start refusing us credit!

They did in 2010 fairly pronto. Really does not take much for them to be spooked - we got about 18 months then before we entered an IMF programme

Deleted User wrote: »

I’ve said from the start that we either keep locking down until there is a vaccine or the money runs out.

The vaccines look like they won’t provide immunity so I don’t believe they’ll end this. Unless the narrative can be spun. For example, removing probable and possible deaths. Not including already dying folk in the deaths.

We are likely waiting on our money to run out and then we will be forced to live with Covid.

Let’s pray the borrowers start refusing us credit!

EU will continue to pump the money out, its what America has been doing for the last 20 years

average_runner wrote: »

Its pretty obvious that is the main place. Other wise schools would be riddle by now. Our school had 3 cases, didn't spread, schools nearby had 4-5 cases and didn't spread.



How many primary schools are riddled right now with it?

All the people shouting for schools to close down and yet as you say schools should be riddled by now

I think it was actually one of the better decisions the government made, keeping the schools open. The kids need this stability now and to be honest the teachers whinging is getting a little wearing .

average_runner wrote: »

Its pretty obvious that is the main place. Other wise schools would be riddle by now. Our school had 3 cases, didn't spread, schools nearby had 4-5 cases and didn't spread.

How many primary schools are riddled right now with it?

I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking? has the contact definition resulted in that? It’s an honest question as if schools were not spreading it that data would be plastered everywhere for us to see! But it’s not, we’re just told to believe it and move on!

Cases soared when schools opened, as they did throughout Europe.... a wiseman once said, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... it’s prob a duck

weldoninhio wrote: »

When PressUp gets their day in court, I'd nearly guarantee that the weasel govt will come out with the "guidelines and not rules" spiel that they used for the Ryanair/Aer Lingus court case. I've emailed Revenue multiple times asking what the laws (not guidelines) were regarding closing "my" pub under the "Living with Covid" levels, such as was I liable to any fines if I opened, could I lose my license, what powers the Gardai had to close me down and were these restrictions covered in law, or just guidelines.

They have so far refused to reply.

Would this be what you are looking for https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/act/2020/14/eng/enacted/a1420.pdf Been law for a month and a half,

The month before the Garda had legal power to close for the rest of the day and then up to 30 days if additional Breaches.

It outlines there powers to object to renewals.

Revenue would have no authority or supervision of this area. The legislation and all the debates of the bill were published on oirewchtas website and discussed and cited on most newspapers.

Guest “Have a bath, take a deep breath”

Ryan “ yeah just get the bubbles going, have a glass of wine, I feel better already”

Please cut my ears off and pour hot engine oil into the crevice

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

So like many many other illnesses or viruses.

Would you call the flu the deadly virus?

Call it what you like.

Either way covid has killed over 4 times more people than flu did in the entirety of last year across the world, NOW.

Flu kills approximately 250,000 people every year on earth.

We haven’t reached the end of October and according to the WHO, covid has now killed 1.12 million globally.

Strumms wrote: »

Call it what you like.

Either way covid has killed over 4 times more people than flu did in the entirety of last year across the world, NOW.

Flu kills approximately 250,000 people every year on earth.

We haven’t reached the end of October and according to the WHO, covid has now killed 1.12 million globally.

Adding to what G&L said, you have to also take into account there isn't widespread testing for flu, certainly not to the scale of covid. At the moment, throughout Europe at least, you get tested for covid on admission to hospital. This has never happened for flu, despite the several flu pandemics in recent memory.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ciara Kelly is a voice of reason.

NPHET not concerned with public health

What are they concerned with did she say?