Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

end of the road · 20-10-2020 02:47AM

completedit wrote: »

When are they going to actually come out and say it is not a deadly virus! It can of course cause deaths but a couple of thousand deaths in a year is not the hallmarks of a deadly virus in the way we understood it may be back in February. I get it, we took measures to curb the spread and thus, possibly reduced deaths. I'm not calling for us to do nothing. Sure, a deadly virus, is by definition one that causes deaths. But a deadly virus that would(and this point, has) alter our society for the worst, is not one that picks off people who are on the other side of 80. Is that cold, unemotional and detached? Maybe. It's certainty not palpable fo a lot of people, understandably too, but facts are facts. We expect people to pass away at a certain point. It just is how it is. When the dust is settled on covid, why can't we lock down society for other things? Impending climate catastrophe? Let's lock down to reduce our emissions so we hit the Paris Agreement targets. A bit far-fetched but it just how's how misguided human perception of risk is. One is a relatively mild disease; the other could potentially cause the most negative social outcomes we have ever known.

I wish they would just be honest and open. If they said something like we just don't have the capacity to risk it, we've been caught out, we thought something would materialize and it didn't. This is where we are and the actions are taken with much regret. Honestly, I'd be onside but it's such doublespeak. We go into a level 5 restriction after 8 MONTHS and on the same night, ZERO deaths are announced.

uncontroled covid is deadly via the fact that it would overwhelm the hospitals such that they could not function, not to mention the other effects it would cause such as greater economic damage, us being restricted from travel to almost every other country etc.
that is why it is deadly and why we have to suppress it, keeping the death rates as low as we can is just 1 of the many issues that have to be dealt with.
people pass away yes, but as i said before we generally try and prevent it when and where we can, because we can and there is no good reason not to do so, as after all we would all want such to be done for us, which is reasonable.
there are lots of issues around covid and that is why we have to take the approach we are as we have to balance all of the issues as much as we can to keep the country functioning some bit, because trying to prioritize 1 issue would be doomed to failure.
remember as well that there was no ability to reherse for this, all countries had to essentially learn on the job and all of us are an experiment in how to try and deal with this. it's rubbish but it's what it is unfortunately.

end of the road · 20-10-2020 02:50AM

uli84 wrote: »

6 f*cking weeks, total madness, tens of countries more affected than us and this level of panic and unreasonable restrictions of basic human rights is nowhere else to be seen

nope, some basic luxuries are being restricted.
if you have evidence that human rights are being restricted then you must report that to the UN for their consideration.

uli84 · 20-10-2020 02:56AM

end of the road wrote: »

nope, some basic luxuries are being restricted.
if you have evidence that human rights are being restricted then you must report that to the UN for their consideration.

Waste of time most likely, they will hide behind the “pandemic”

[url] https://www.privacyfoundation.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/The-lockdown-a-human-rights-perspective.pdf[/url]

Strumms · 20-10-2020 03:08AM

uli84 wrote: »

6 f*cking weeks, total madness, tens of countries more affected than us and this level of panic and unreasonable restrictions of basic human rights is nowhere else to be seen

In WW2 in London, there were restrictions, about when people could be out and about, their behaviors, things like blackout curtains, curfews, rations etc".

This is a health war, people are dying.

Like in any war, or time of unprecedented difficulty, people are as individuals and as a collective, being expected to do the right thing. People have as a result of the situation we find ourselves in been delegated responsibilities and had to endure restrictions. They need to suck it up, quit their needy, greedy, fûcking asswipe ‘all about me’ whining and behave. DO their part. Not too much for six weeks, in the middle of a deadly pandemic to ask and expect behavior suitable to the situation we find ourselves .

uli84 · 20-10-2020 03:12AM

Strumms wrote: »

In WW2 in London, there were restrictions, about when people could be out and about, their behaviors, things like blackout curtains, curfews, rations etc".

This is a health war, people are dying.

Like in any war, or time of unprecedented difficulty, people are as individuals and as a collective, being expected to do the right thing. People have as a result of the situation we find ourselves in been delegated responsibilities and had to endure restrictions. They need to suck it up, quit their needy, greedy, fûcking asswipe ‘all about me’ whining and behave. DO their part. Not too much for six weeks, in the middle of a deadly pandemic to ask and expect behavior suitable to the situation we find ourselves .

All correct with the exception of deadly

Strumms · 20-10-2020 03:18AM

uli84 wrote: »

All correct with the exception of deadly

Ehhhh, I think you’ve been smoking a lot of erm, stuff, or missed a lot of school....

Deadly : https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/deadly_1

“Able or likely to kill people”.

Penfailed · 20-10-2020 06:30AM

acequion wrote: »

Somebody said they're doing the same in England!

On this thread? I must've missed it.

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-10-2020 06:36AM

Strumms wrote: »

Ehhhh, I think you’ve been smoking a lot of erm, stuff, or missed a lot of school....

Deadly : https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/deadly_1

“Able or likely to kill people”.

So like many many other illnesses or viruses.

Would you call the flu the deadly virus?

Nonoperational · 20-10-2020 06:46AM

The schadenfreude from both sides of the argument is something to behold. State of what we have become.

zerosugarbuzz · 20-10-2020 07:01AM

I personally can’t see people’s behaviour changing that much from this week to next week and beyond. Everyone will tweak the rules a little to suit themselves and some will simply ignore the changes. Unfortunately there will be a hell of a lot of businesses shutting permanently between now and Christmas, mud sliding down the hillside eventually covers everyone. Watch out folks.

Idbatterim · 20-10-2020 07:14AM

Current thought! Stop feeding the RTE troll lads!

3xh · 20-10-2020 07:30AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I had hoped differently, but 7 months of observation and experience have me now convinced that this stop/start will roll on until we have a vaccine widely available.

So I would guess the current plan is...

Hope to get those daily case numbers down in the next 6 weeks to about half of what they are now...open up enough industries in early December to be able to carve out some kind of Christmas for the kids/political gain...heighten restrictions once again in the first half of January.

Stu, this is exactly the government’s plan. Micháel said it last night in the speech handed to him. Open and close until there’s a vaccine.

Absolutely nuts.

patnor1011 · 20-10-2020 07:32AM

joeguevara wrote: »

Have you just quoted an entire article from Natural News? Just to confirm when you do a media bias check the following comes up flashing in red ‘ Overall, we rate Natural News a Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, as well as extreme right wing bias. This is one of the most discredited sources on the internet.’.

So?
Do you have anything factual to add to counter what they wrote?

Idbatterim · 20-10-2020 07:32AM

Open up for xmas? it will be back to level 3 restrictions, its hardly going to be back to the likes of Xmas 2019 etc, 6 weeks of this bs, then we get a handful of days over xmas, woop de doooo!

christmas is a write off, nearly the entire year has been and next year will be! that is the reality!

Also for all the years FG have been banging on about SF and their magic money tree! FG have found several of them, same as FF with last bust. The irony that the magic tree is a split between the multinationals and most likely FG voters...

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-10-2020 07:39AM

zerosugarbuzz wrote: »

I personally can’t see people’s behaviour changing that much from this week to next week and beyond. Everyone will tweak the rules a little to suit themselves and some will simply ignore the changes. Unfortunately there will be a hell of a lot of businesses shutting permanently between now and Christmas, mud sliding down the hillside eventually covers everyone. Watch out folks.

Agree, those who are following the rules will alter their behaviours. Those we weren't still wont

patnor1011 · 20-10-2020 07:43AM

Even russians are laughing from our lockdown love affair

Ireland to put nation under ‘Europe’s strictest’ quarantine for six weeks amid record daily Covid-19 infections.

https://www.rt.com/news/503955-ireland-hard-lockdown-coronavirus/

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-10-2020 07:44AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Even russians are laughing from our lockdown love affair

Ireland to put nation under ‘Europe’s strictest’ quarantine for six weeks amid record daily Covid-19 infections.

https://www.rt.com/news/503955-ireland-hard-lockdown-coronavirus/

Very little laughing in that article....

facehugger99 · 20-10-2020 08:00AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Problem being that stop/start technology works for engines, it doesn't work for businesses.

I believe the pattern will be stop - start - stop...

Speaking in general terms, the level of ignorance in this country about economics is quite staggering, its frightening actually.

If we spent less time teaching Irish and a bit more on basic economics, we would have a much better political system and society.

Allinall · 20-10-2020 08:04AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Even russians are laughing from our lockdown love affair

Ireland to put nation under ‘Europe’s strictest’ quarantine for six weeks amid record daily Covid-19 infections.

https://www.rt.com/news/503955-ireland-hard-lockdown-coronavirus/

I'm not seeing any laughing in that article?

It's just reporting the facts.

FintanMcluskey · 20-10-2020 08:10AM

Ciara Kelly is a voice of reason.

NPHET not concerned with public health

s1ippy · 20-10-2020 08:10AM

MadYaker wrote: »

We never tried to pursue a zero covid strategy. Nobody in NPHET or government said we were so I don't know where you got that from.

How do you let the virus spread through the healthy portion of society without it getting to the 30% of the population who are either over 60 or have some condition that puts them at higher risk?

Aside from that, two children of schoolgoing age required hospitalisation this week, and one of them ended up being admitted to ICU. So the plan of let it rip might be a lot more traumatic than healthy people getting a bit sick and being fine.

_Kaiser_ · 20-10-2020 08:20AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ciara Kelly is a voice of reason.

NPHET not concerned with public health

O'Brien struggling with her. No easy-chat like Donnelly had with Claire Byrne last night.

Ginger n Lemon · 20-10-2020 08:49AM

OMG. WHAT THE F

Ive tried to stay away from this thread. I thought things will get better. But somehow we went into lockdown when average deaths with covid since July were 1 person a day in a country of 5m.

We were laughing at those tin foil hat conspirator theorists but isnt it becoming obvious that 25% + unemployment when 1 - 2 people a die with covid, who are aged well over life expectancy, is eye brow raising to say the least?

All the suicides. This is truly horrifying.

The only good news is below, now, Irish businesses were stupid enough to follow restrictions back in March/April, but by now I hope it becomes evident that govt has 0 science and backup behind 90% + of "restrictions"

"Berlin had imposed the 11:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. restriction a week ago but a spokesman for the administrative court said: "The curfew has been suspended for the time being as the court considers it disproportionate in view of other measures taken to fight the pandemic."

The ban on selling alcohol after 11:00 p.m. still applies.

The court said there was insufficient evidence that bars and restaurants that stick to the existing rules on mask-wearing and social distancing contribute to increasing infection rates.

The decision to put a temporary halt to the curfew was in response to legal action brought by 11 restaurant owners who contested the restrictive measure."

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-berlin-court-suspends-bar-and-restaurant-curfew/a-55306096

ahh the evidence. I forgot what it looks like, havent been presented with any evidence from RTE since epidemic began :rolleyes:

average_runner · 20-10-2020 08:50AM

Government are trying to bribe people by saying level 2 for xmas and pubs will open.
Ah well, luckily enough people aren't buying into anymore as there is no enforcement, so the government can keep the bloody pubs closed for xmas.

Younger generation didn't give a crap in level 3, now its time for the rest of us not give a crap and keep the pubs closed

funnydoggy · 20-10-2020 08:51AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

OMG. WHAT THE F

Ive tried to stay away from this thread.

I was wondering where you were

hope all's well.

Ginger n Lemon · 20-10-2020 08:53AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

I was wondering where you were hope all's well.

Fantastic. I got a short haircut last week, I knew some hysterical measures will be brought in since deaths have been very low. But i didnt know THAT hysterical of measures ...

average_runner · 20-10-2020 08:54AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

OMG. WHAT THE F

Ive tried to stay away from this thread. I thought things will get better. But somehow we went into lockdown when average deaths with covid since July were 1 person a die in a country of 5m.

We were laughing at those tin foil hat conspirator theorists but isnt it becoming obvious that 25% + unemployment when 1 - 2 people a die with covid, who are aged well over life expectancy, is eye brow raising to say the least?

All the suicides. This is truly horrifying.

The only good news is below, now, Irish businesses were stupid enough to follow restrictions back in March/April, but by now I hope it becomes evident that govt has 0 science and backup behind 90% + of "restrictions"

"Berlin had imposed the 11:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. restriction a week ago but a spokesman for the administrative court said: "The curfew has been suspended for the time being as the court considers it disproportionate in view of other measures taken to fight the pandemic."

The ban on selling alcohol after 11:00 p.m. still applies.

The court said there was insufficient evidence that bars and restaurants that stick to the existing rules on mask-wearing and social distancing contribute to increasing infection rates.

The decision to put a temporary halt to the curfew was in response to legal action brought by 11 restaurant owners who contested the restrictive measure."

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-berlin-court-suspends-bar-and-restaurant-curfew/a-55306096

ahh the evidence. I forgot what it looks like, havent been presented with any evidence from RTE since epidemic began :rolleyes:

But the bars weren't behaving here, look at the pub parties in Meath, Cork Donegal, Dublin, Wexford Weatmeath etc.

Hopefully these licenses will be gone when they try to renew them

3xh · 20-10-2020 08:58AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Aside from that, two children of schoolgoing age required hospitalisation this week, and one of them ended up being admitted to ICU. So the plan of let it rip might be a lot more traumatic than healthy people getting a bit sick and being fine.

That’s interesting. You’d think the government and the media would be telling all who’ll listen about this news, to justify and solidify the support for level 5.

Actually, sorry. I just realised; schools are to stay open under their 6-wk level 5 lockdown. How silly of me.

Captain_Crash · 20-10-2020 08:58AM

average_runner wrote: »

But the bars weren't behaving here, look at the pub parties in Meath, Cork Donegal, Dublin, Wexford Weatmeath etc.

Hopefully these licenses will be gone when they try to renew them

How many cases were linked back to pubs? And how many cases are linked back to schools? Because ones been closed and the other “isn’t a significant factor in the rise of cases”

Regarding licences, Berlin D2 for their licence renewed despite Garda objection!

bodice ripper · 20-10-2020 08:59AM

I am sorry, but am I allowed to drive across the country to visit my grandmother's grave? Am I reading that right?

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