Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

US2 · 18-10-2020 05:15PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

How about this Christmas - don't buy so much stuff!! Radical idea, I know. When my kids were small the other kids they knew used to get so much expensive stuff for Christmas it was actually obscene. I used to get a designated amount of presents that I could afford and nothing too expensive and then we would have a good time going for walks and having bonfires and watching movies and eating too much. As I come from a huge family and so does himself we decided decades ago to not buy each other presents. Guess what - no-one's freaking head has ever fallen off. And everyone still loves each other.

This Christmas more than ever I'm going to spoil my kids after the miserable year they put up with. No Patrick's day, no Easter egg hunts. No birthday party's, no Halloween.
These might sound silly but these are kids

Stheno · 18-10-2020 05:15PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Some people do when they are out.

Electives it seems

For 2 years

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hse-proposes-taking-over-40-of-activity-in-private-hospitals-1.4382820

18-10-2020 05:15PM

maebee wrote: »

Covid doesn't prefer a "main route". It's quite happy to spread itself through our noses. No point in making it easy by not covering the nose.

They’re outside as well, ffs

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 05:16PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Will it be used this time for elective procedures rather than sitting idle.

Electives it appears

Jizique · 18-10-2020 05:16PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Will they actually ****ing use them this time?

Will they pay another €27m to Tetrarch for CityWest?

Happydays2020 · 18-10-2020 05:17PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Some people do when they are out.

Agree. They are shopping and find it easier for when they are in the shops. I wear mine if going from one shop to the next.

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 05:17PM

Stheno wrote: »

Electives it seems

For 2 years

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hse-proposes-taking-over-40-of-activity-in-private-hospitals-1.4382820

Odd post to reply to but thanks for update! Good to see the health system continue.

Acosta · 18-10-2020 05:20PM

US2 wrote: »

This Christmas more than ever I'm going to spoil my kids after the miserable year they put up with. No Patrick's day, no Easter egg hunts. No birthday party's, no Halloween.
These might sound silly but these are kids

When I was a kid I would have given all that up and more for an extra 3 or 4 months off school.

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 05:20PM

Not a huge fan of Staines but at least he's being honest ; 8-10 weeks by his reckoning.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/public-will-accept-severe-covid-19-restrictions-if-given-clear-exit-strategy-says-expert-1.4384222

manniot2 · 18-10-2020 05:21PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Other EU states will be imposing severe restrictions in the weeks ahead out of necessity given the current trend in figures. I suspect we won't be viewed all that differently down the line, other than having acted earlier to safeguard the health system and wider economy.

Wider economy saved by lockdown. Right.

manniot2 · 18-10-2020 05:22PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not a huge fan of Staines but at least he's being honest ; 8-10 weeks by his reckoning.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/public-will-accept-severe-covid-19-restrictions-if-given-clear-exit-strategy-says-expert-1.4384222

10 weeks. Ffs throw us all in the Liffey to fook.

Plumbthedepths · 18-10-2020 05:23PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Other EU states will be imposing severe restrictions in the weeks ahead out of necessity given the current trend in figures. I suspect we won't be viewed all that differently down the line, other than having acted earlier to safeguard the health system and wider economy.

I hope you're right, but I suspect you won't be.

niallo27 · 18-10-2020 05:24PM

About 6000 cases in the last week or more and icu numbers still exact same, bit of a positive anyway in all this gloom, I'm sure someone will spin it into bad news soon enough anyway.

Chopper Dave · 18-10-2020 05:24PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The last few sentences are interesting, Ireland becoming an outlier which may cause the markets ( lenders) to view us differently.

I think that view already exists. We had the slowest reopening - and never reached the level of freedoms that nearly every other European country had. Our cases per100k are mid-level in a European context and we are about to head back into a series of measures that are significantly harsher than elsewhere.

Maybe other European countries will catch up in a few weeks but we do seem to be continually out of kilter without either having a particularly better or worse performance.

Gael23 · 18-10-2020 05:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not a huge fan of Staines but at least he's being honest ; 8-10 weeks by his reckoning.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/public-will-accept-severe-covid-19-restrictions-if-given-clear-exit-strategy-says-expert-1.4384222

Not at Christmas

Stheno · 18-10-2020 05:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not a huge fan of Staines but at least he's being honest ; 8-10 weeks by his reckoning.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/public-will-accept-severe-covid-19-restrictions-if-given-clear-exit-strategy-says-expert-1.4384222

We are lacking that honesty from our government

If 2 weeks is the cycle time for the virus restrictions would need at least 6, 2 weeks to get the currently infected but not symptomatic, 2 weeks to stop spread and 2 further weeks to confirm a drop

That brings us to around Dec. 5th

manniot2 · 18-10-2020 05:25PM

niallo27 wrote: »

About 6000 cases in the last week or more and icu numbers still exact same, bit of a positive anyway in all this gloom, I'm sure someone will spin it into bad news soon enough anyway.

Any day now the queues will form outside the Icu

BobbyMalone · 18-10-2020 05:25PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

They agreed to an 'all-Ireland' approach when animal health was threatened with the Foot & Mouth virus... and that was when the most rabid of Unionists, Dr Ian Paisley' was in charge of the DUP.

That virus could spread for 3 KM... not the few meters that Covid can muster.

A shame that the same approach is not used now, when human health is at stake.

Times have changed between now and 2001, unfortunately. The main thing being Brexit. We may not have quite as toxic a unionist up there as Paisley, but the combination of Foster and the Tories, and what they are trying to achieve regarding Brexit means an all-Ireland approach is less than realistic.

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 05:26PM

manniot2 wrote: »

10 weeks. Ffs throw us all in the Liffey to fook.

TBH we'll get past it once we've punched a few walls and been given an exact date that will not deviate. That will have to be a political call because NHPET will not do that.

Pinch Flat · 18-10-2020 05:26PM

niallo27 wrote: »

About 6000 cases in the last week or more and icu numbers still exact same, bit of a positive anyway in all this gloom, I'm sure someone will spin it into bad news soon enough anyway.

Yeah sure that respiratory consultant on the radio just now saying corks icus are full and they had to ring around seven hospitals for an icu bed is probably just being melodramatic.

Rrrrrr2 · 18-10-2020 05:27PM

manniot2 wrote: »

10 weeks. Ffs throw us all in the Liffey to fook.

What he said is full of contradictions-- "nearly as severe as March"- we didn't have an exit strategy last time and are now back in the same place. I must be missing something but what exactly does he think is going to be different after the next 10 weeks? At least be honest- we are going to be back in the exact place/s

18-10-2020 05:28PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not a huge fan of Staines but at least he's being honest ; 8-10 weeks by his reckoning.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/public-will-accept-severe-covid-19-restrictions-if-given-clear-exit-strategy-says-expert-1.4384222

I don’t disagree with that. I would do 8-10 weeks of L5 IF there was a documented plan for what would be done by government in that 8-10 weeks such that we would then ‘live with it’ thereafter at no worse than L2, no matter what. This would be do-able, even in the absence of an effective vaccine until 2022, if there were good preparations made and 15 minute testing available to all and international travel procedures developed and hospital capacity sorted, and everything else, in that 8-10 weeks

Acosta · 18-10-2020 05:28PM

Has any journalist ever asked the Taoiseach or health minister what they were doing during the summer instead of making sure there was a lot more ICU beds in hospitals?

speckle · 18-10-2020 05:28PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

If rural, how much wear and tear, petrol and tolls depending on where you live and how does it compare to the delivery change?

My favorite shop for woodworking tools is in Naas, it's cheaper to either ring them or order from their site and have the items delivered than for me to drive to and from it.
The only time I do go is when I want to wander around the store and chat to the owner in person or attended a demo/class.

Alot of elders and disabled and high risk people dont drive or use computers well. Not stereotyping as I have alot of elders in family only 2/8 can. And for example clothes boots etc you have the hassle of having to send back if not right. Many Post offices closed down the countryside recently. I will be fine and I am high risk but got very tired last time around having to help so many others who are also high risk around me.
But I get where you are coming from some thing work out cheaper but for example minium income people last time re shopping online... I compared all major stores online and safely visited them in person as I was the lowest high risk of them . On a budget you got better deals visiting in person. I wasn't bad because I sorted myself out in jan and feb. But I fear for other vulnarable high risk people especially down the country this time. people are tired. Also noted nearby 10 houses high risk people who dont drive because of illness/finances another 10 houses nearby with cars only one offer, once to help.

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 05:29PM

Stheno wrote: »

We are lacking that honesty from our government

If 2 weeks is the cycle time for the virus restrictions would need at least 6, 2 weeks to get the currently infected but not symptomatic, 2 weeks to stop spread and 2 further weeks to confirm a drop

That brings us to around Dec. 5th

Yeah, think most people would much rather know how long exactly it's planned.

Eod100 · 18-10-2020 05:29PM

Stheno wrote: »

HSE taking over at least 40% of private hospital capacity according to news on the radio

Wonder how much private hospitals are charging the state for it

niallo27 · 18-10-2020 05:29PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Yeah sure that respiratory consultant on the radio just now saying corks icus are full and they had to ring around seven hospitals for an icu bed is probably just being melodramatic.

Didn't take long.

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 05:30PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Yeah sure that respiratory consultant on the radio just now saying corks icus are full and they had to ring around seven hospitals for an icu bed is probably just being melodramatic.

Multiple posters have said it here before. The cork hosptials cover such a large area.

ICU there are full most of the time, being full now is nothing new.

3 covid patients in ICU between Mercy and CUH, they aren't full due to covid.

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 05:30PM

Acosta wrote: »

Has any journalist ever asked the Taoiseach or health minister what they were doing during the summer instead of making sure there was a lot more ICU beds in hospitals?

That's a HSE remit - the government gives them the money to do things like that.

Infini · 18-10-2020 05:30PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Not at Christmas

Noone wants to talk about losing christmas but the dithering and indecisive leadership has already put it at risk as is. We'd be lucky to see any semblance of a normal christmas.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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