Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 04:07PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

We are definitely being prepped for a big bang, well bigger than we suspected given the shenanigans of L3 and L5 and all that.

I do realise that businesses will be severely impacted if they close them, which they shouldn't if shops do what they did back in March and only allow a one in one out system and mandatory masks. I'm talking DIY and the likes. Not sure about nail bars, hairdressers and barbers, gyms etc. Very close contacts there. But then again who knows what the transmission is?

Get it over with. Sharp shock, CLEAR rules, good roadmap and financial supports and I think people will buy in for now anyway. It's the chopping and changing from 5 distinct levels to bits of the last, bits of the present and bits of the next one that is driving people mad.

Curfew should definitely be brought in for two weeks even. 9pm. That'll put manners on some of the pups congregating till all hours. And close the off licenses at 4pm.

Yes I know I will get a hammering for posting this, but am totally fed up now like lots of people, and it's better to just get on with it and try to cope.

Just as long as you're braced for the LONG sharp shock as it will not be 3 weeks nor even 6 weeks. This is till Christmas (and beyond).

Spanish Eyes · 18-10-2020 04:07PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

I am exhausted from it all. But I agree with you.

So are most people. Lance the boil and give us the worst case scenario and use some of the budget money to support people again. There should be no financial distress for workers obliged to stay at home because of a Government decision.

Anyway, am weary like yourself, but the next phase seems inevitable now.

Spanish Eyes · 18-10-2020 04:08PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Just as long as you're braced for the LONG sharp shock as it will not be 3 weeks nor even 6 week one. This is till Christmas.

Possibly, but we have to start tomorrow really. No more pussy footing around anymore it is helping no one.

mountgomery burns · 18-10-2020 04:09PM

Stheno wrote: »

The posters point is that in the space of three days NPHET went from saying that there was no need to add to level three to then advocating level 5

Agreed and bear in mind on the 30th of April the government released a 5 phase plan for opening Ireland.

The rationale behind the length of it, longest phasing out of restrictions in Europe, was to assess the impact of each relaxation to make the reopening more targeted and sustainable.

And yet, with two months to assess that and plan for the release of "Living with Covid", we end up with that farce you described. No clear targets and poor planning has played it's part as much as those that cannot follow the guidance.

Happy4all · 18-10-2020 04:09PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So are most people. Lance the boil and give us the worst case scenario and use some of the budget money to support people again. There should be no financial distress for workers obliged to stay at home because of a Government decision.

Anyway, am weary like yourself, but the next phase seems inevitable now.

I think they will try level 4 rather than go to level 5

Spanish Eyes · 18-10-2020 04:10PM

manniot2 wrote: »

sledgehammer to kill a snail. but ok because youre fed up

What would YOU suggest so?

FintanMcluskey · 18-10-2020 04:10PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

We are definitely being prepped for a big bang, well bigger than we suspected given the shenanigans of L3 and L5 and all that.

I do realise that businesses will be severely impacted if they close them, which they shouldn't if shops do what they did back in March and only allow a one in one out system and mandatory masks. I'm talking DIY and the likes. Not sure about nail bars, hairdressers and barbers, gyms etc. Very close contacts there. But then again who knows what the transmission is?

Get it over with. Sharp shock, CLEAR rules, good roadmap and financial supports and I think people will buy in for now anyway. It's the chopping and changing from 5 distinct levels to bits of the last, bits of the present and bits of the next one that is driving people mad.

Curfew should definitely be brought in for two weeks even. 9pm. That'll put manners on some of the pups congregating till all hours. And close the off licenses at 4pm.

Yes I know I will get a hammering for posting this, but am totally fed up now like lots of people, and it's better to just get on with it and try to cope.

What will it achieve?

What is the quantifiable point that the curfew will be lifted?

I’m just curious, the WHO have taken a different stance it seems towards the value or at least the point of lockdowns it seems.

Martina1991 · 18-10-2020 04:10PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Contract tracing is another big issue.

There is close contacts to confirmed cases out and about spreading it for days as people aren't telling contract tracing who they are as they are too slow.

Have heard of 5 days in one case.

Think of all the spread in that time.

In these instances where contact tracing is struggling, you would hope people inform their contacts themselves asap to prevent further spread.

In turn you would hope people who know they are close contacts restrict their movements until they're tested.

Its incredibly stupid and reckless to go about your business thinking you can do what you want until you get the contact tracing call.

Stheno · 18-10-2020 04:11PM

nimrod86 wrote: »

My workplace has done this, mandatory face masks on site and they are providing single use ones at entrances if you don't want to use reusable ones.

Initially when they brought in the policy there were medical and religious exemptions, but this has since been scrapped. It's now mandatory with no exceptions to wear a mask on site, except in the canteen or if you are in a personal office.

Mines the same if you have to in its temp checking,facemasks at all times, and a few other fairly strict rules

Less than 5% actually have to go in

They have however organised flu vaccinations for us so that will be interesting to go into the office but its a huge open space they will use probably

Itssoeasy · 18-10-2020 04:11PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Just as long as you're braced for the LONG sharp shock as it will not be 3 weeks nor even 6 weeks. This is till Christmas (and beyond).

So why don’t NPHET say that then instead of saying six weeks ? The country as a whole will be goosed because of this and I’m knackered from it. The government and nphet need to as best they can provide some hope for the country. I mean nphet and the TDs aren’t going to be out of pocket financially during this so they probably don’t see it that way.

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 04:12PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Possibly, but we have to start tomorrow really. No more pussy footing around anymore it is helping no one.

It's far closer to definitely, this can't be unwound in the middle of December so people can go mad Christmas shopping. Once it happens, we're back under NPHET's control till January! :eek:

Itssoeasy · 18-10-2020 04:13PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's far closer to definitely, this can't be unwound in the middle of December so people can go mad Christmas shopping. Once it happens, we're back under NPHET's control till January! :eek:

Christ. What a **** winter it’s going to be.

Loafing Oaf · 18-10-2020 04:14PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So why don’t NPHET say that then instead of saying six weeks ?

Isn't it obvious?

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 04:14PM

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

Happydays2020 · 18-10-2020 04:14PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's far closer to definitely, this can't be unwound in the middle of December so people can go mad Christmas shopping. Once it happens, we're back under NPHET's control till January! :eek:

I don't think so. I expect we will be under their control until April/May unless the Government rejects their advice.

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 04:15PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

So why don’t NPHET say that then instead of saying six weeks ? The country as a whole will be goosed because of this and I’m knackered from it. The government and nphet need to as best they can provide some hope for the country. I mean nphet and the TDs aren’t going to be out of pocket financially during this so they probably don’t see it that way.

I agree and like others I've made that point myself. They were fair feisty in the wake of the government rejection so they can be brutally honest about this - that they just don't see any way out of this until after Christmas.

MelbourneMan · 18-10-2020 04:15PM

Stheno wrote: »

The posters point is that in the space of three days NPHET went from saying that there was no need to add to level three to then advocating level 5

Or in the space of 2 weeks, went from being insulted by the government to having the gumption to stand behing their analysis and make the government listen ? The science didnt change.

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 04:16PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

So review in 6 weeks really!:p

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 04:16PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It's far closer to definitely, this can't be unwound in the middle of December so people can go mad Christmas shopping. Once it happens, we're back under NPHET's control till January! :eek:

I dont think so, it'll be almost certainly unwound for retail to open in early December for Christmas, you could bet the house on that. Not a chance government keeps retail closed for Christmas.

Other measures quite possibly yes but there's no chance of them missing out on the Christmas market

iamwhoiam · 18-10-2020 04:16PM

No level will make any difference unless the restrictions are enforced .

Happydays2020 · 18-10-2020 04:17PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

No level will make any difference unless the restrictions are enforced .

If they don't have the people with them, then you are right.

Stheno · 18-10-2020 04:18PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

What are essential services though? Mechanics?opticians?

The one social contact my OH and I have is his son, who lives about 18km away

xhomelezz · 18-10-2020 04:19PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What will it achieve?

What is the quantifiable point that the curfew will be lifted?

I’m just curious, the WHO have taken a different stance it seems towards the value or at least the point of lockdowns it seems.

Yes, what WHO basically says is, if you are fcuked use the lockdown and rethink your future strategies. They don't say do not use lockdowns.

tom1ie · 18-10-2020 04:19PM

Not sure how any of this is going to make a difference to be honest.

The virus continues to spread either because:
A) People have decided they are sick Of restrictions and they are going to socialise anyway no matter what happens, therefore L5 won’t make a difference, it’ll only make the economy worse.

the virus is spreading in schools. The government absolutely won’t shut schools down as politically it will be seen as them rowing back and economically it’ll mean parents not going to work.
Of course the other problem is the poor quality of education kids will receive at home from parents instead of teachers (im mainly talking about primary here) but this could be averted if the department of education planned for hybrid learning.

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 04:19PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I dont think so, it'll be almost certainly unwound for retail to open in early December for Christmas, you could bet the house on that. Not a chance government keeps retail closed for Christmas

I'd like to be wrong but just not as convinced. That sounds like complete bedlam anyway.

Glenomra · 18-10-2020 04:19PM

Apologies if this question has been answered numerous times but I can't find the answer with the plethora of posts. When a person tests positive how many days previous to the test date are checked for close contacts.

Eod100 · 18-10-2020 04:20PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Independent reporting we'll be allowed to form social bubbles. Eviction ban to come in, suggestions of 5k limit but other reports saying government feel that's too harsh.

"Schools along construction sites and manufacturing companies are expected to stay open as will other essential services and shops"

Review in 3/4 weeks

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-social-bubbles-eviction-ban-and-5km-travel-restriction-under-consideration-for-new-covid-19-rules-39638423.html

The Indo and Phillip Ryan have got the scoop on the restrictions all along. They must have a well placed source.

stephenjmcd · 18-10-2020 04:20PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I'd like to be wrong but just not as convinced. That sounds like complete bedlam anyway.

Agree which is why I don't see the point in closing retail when all you do is fuel pent up demand, seems pointless to me.

Much better to leave them open as they have been since June and have demand spread out.

Stheno · 18-10-2020 04:21PM

MelbourneMan wrote: »

Or in the space of 2 weeks, went from being insulted by the government to having the gumption to stand behing their analysis and make the government listen ? The science didnt change.

I don't really care tbh I'm absolutely sick of the cack handed handling of this by the whole lot of them

Stheno · 18-10-2020 04:21PM

Glenomra wrote: »

Apologies if this question has been answered numerous times but I can't find the answer with the plethora of posts. When a person tests positive how many days previous to the test date are checked for close contacts.

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