Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 01:09PM

titan18 wrote: »

I don't see why government need to explicitly state that Christmas won't be the same.

If someone needs to be told that things like 12 pubs, massive house parties are unacceptable/shouldn't happen, they're an idiot and even if told won't care anyway

It's called talking to the people and the people appreciate it, bad news or not. It's normal stuff that will not be the same, the stupid would be gone anyway.

pjohnson · 18-10-2020 01:09PM

I think Norma Foley also said if it went to level 5 they'd have to "look at" schools so thats why they seem to be planning on 4.75. To save the schools.

Jinglejangle69 · 18-10-2020 01:09PM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

Crazy a minister for higher education is briefing about restrictions. People all weekend have no idea what is going on and when. All the leaks of confidential should be investigated by gaurda. It is playing havoc with people’s mental health with so much uncertainty particularly over a weekend.

I think it's pretty obvious more restrictions are coming.

You don't need Simon Harris to tell you that.

Well I hope not.

440Hertz · 18-10-2020 01:10PM

The one thing we need to get though our rather stupid heads is that this is not curable at present. It’s manageable.

I think far too much of the commentary focused on “yay! The figures are low. We’ve won!” and complacency increased in Ireland and right across Europe.

What we are seeing now is a surge back because of that and because of seasonality.

If we could all just operate on the basis of management of this virus, rather than yo-yo moves from being on lockdown to being way too relaxed about it, then we could probably avoid doing so much economic and social damage.

We also really, really need to stop listening to crazy from the US in particular. It’s not helpful at all. We can’t go on a repeating cycle of this over and over. That’s where we’re headed if we keep doing this.

Also we urgently need airport and port testing and a proper system of controls. That should have been a major priority. Instead we’ve basically managed to simultaneously import cases AND do untold damage to the airline sector, by just using a wonky sledge hammer approach a mix of draconian advice and no practical measures.

There’s also been very weak coordination across Europe. We could have had a pan European lockdown followed by return to normality with strict external border testing. Instead, we all panicked separately and it’s a mess and none of us seem to be able to travel at all now.

jackboy · 18-10-2020 01:10PM

appledrop wrote: »

The dogs on the street know its the schools but that doesn't fit the narrative of government. Doesnt matter what level we go to once schools are still open numbers will stay high.

Dublin in lockdown now for 4 weeks + numbers still growing but can't blame bars + restaurants anymore all closed but surrrrrr no doubt its the millions of houseparties people are having.

Its a joke.

We’ve been here before regarding masks. Eventually all the scientists, politicians etc will claim that there has been ‘new studies’ which show schools are a significant factor.

rob316 · 18-10-2020 01:11PM

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Cases 48,678
Population 4,954,600
Percentages positive to Covid-19
> 0.98%
Percentages not tested positive
> 99.02%

Mortality rate 0.1%

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 01:11PM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

Crazy a minister for higher education is briefing about restrictions. People all weekend have no idea what is going on and when. All the leaks of confidential should be investigated by gaurda. It is playing havoc with people’s mental health with so much uncertainty particularly over a weekend.

How could he be leaking on national TV? He's available and strangely people will pay more attention to him than Donnelly on account of his real experience.

s1ippy · 18-10-2020 01:11PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I think Norma Foley also said if it went to level 5 they'd have to "look at" schools so thats why they seem to be planning on 4.75. To save the schools.

She's a naughty naughty minister
https://www.newstalk.com/news/foley-absolute-determination-keep-schools-open-1091835

Sheepdish1 · 18-10-2020 01:11PM

sterz wrote: »

There really isn’t. Non-essential retail closes under level 4. So it’s as crippling as level 5.

I didn’t realise this until last night. There is no difference between them apart from 5 km restrictions

is_that_so · 18-10-2020 01:14PM

Strumms wrote: »

‘Living with the virus’ was a dumb as fûck buzz phrase thrown out by Leo and others to placate the business community. Grade A fûcking gimp.

You cannot ‘live’ with any semblance of normality with covid out there attempting to kill you or make you sick and transmit like wildfire.

If we try live with it, the health service, hospitals and staff will quite simply collapse in a matter of weeks or months...

If it runs wild and food production could be affected.... what then ?

In the last 8 weeks he has been pushing for more air travel... THIS is what WE are up against...

And that was a party political broadcast on behalf of the plain people of Ireland!

pjohnson · 18-10-2020 01:14PM

s1ippy wrote: »

She's a useless trollop
https://www.newstalk.com/news/foley-absolute-determination-keep-schools-open-1091835

I wouldn't use those words but I think the way the Leaving Cert grading was handled did show how well she is qualified for the job.

rob316 · 18-10-2020 01:15PM

Strumms wrote: »

‘Living with the virus’ was a dumb as fûck buzz phrase thrown out by Leo and others to placate the business community. Grade A fûcking gimp.

You cannot ‘live’ with any semblance of normality with covid out there attempting to kill you or make you sick and transmit like wildfire.

If we try live with it, the health service, hospitals and staff will quite simply collapse in a matter of weeks or months...

If it runs wild and food production could be affected.... what then ?

In the last 8 weeks he has been pushing for more air travel... THIS is what WE are up against...

So the alternative is destroy the rest of society with these restrictions. There is only one exit strategy and that is ride it out until we have a vaccine early next year.

Jim_Hodge · 18-10-2020 01:15PM

Sheepdish1 wrote: »

Crazy a minister for higher education is briefing about restrictions. People all weekend have no idea what is going on and when. All the leaks of confidential should be investigated by gaurda. It is playing havoc with people’s mental health with so much uncertainty particularly over a weekend.

I don't think giving an open image of government thinking on national TV can be considered leaking anything.

You'd complain if we weren't being kept abreast of the decision making process.

And, it's hardly news anyway.

Jinglejangle69 · 18-10-2020 01:16PM

I find the obsession with Leo here bizarre.

Seems people are pinning covid 19 on him.

Sure every other country is doing better than Ireland in handling the virus.

Pablo Escobar · 18-10-2020 01:16PM

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

They have done studies putting it firmly under 1% - looking at worldometers isn’t going to be more accurate than the studies undertaken....

That was my point....

I Am The Law · 18-10-2020 01:17PM

is_that_so wrote: »

How could he be leaking on national TV? He's available and strangely people will pay more attention to him than Donnelly on account of his real experience.

It has more to do with a "managed" announcement, nothing yesterday, a little bit this morning, a bit more tonight or tomorrow.

Typical of modern governments who treat the population as the enemy.

Sheepdish1 · 18-10-2020 01:17PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Dublin is at L3 for 4 weeks now, it hasnt worked.

It hasn’t been enforced.

SusanC10 · 18-10-2020 01:17PM

I think the Levels are redundant at this point. From the very start the Government did not stick to what was contained in them. It is always a certain Level with aspects of a higher Level thrown in as extra. They can call it whatever they want.
So we just need to wait until tomorrow to see what the actual restrictions will be because they won't actually be 4 or 5 as set out.

And the absolute waste of money by printing all this out and sending it to every household in the Country !

Ger Roe · 18-10-2020 01:18PM

rob316 wrote: »

It's called people wanting to live their lives when the virus will have no effect on 99.9% of us.

That statistic, is certainly not true anyway.

JP Liz V1 · 18-10-2020 01:18PM

How did the GAA games still go ahead?

JP Liz V1 · 18-10-2020 01:20PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

I think the Levels are redundant at this point. From the very start the Government did not stick to what was contained in them. It is always a certain Level with aspects of a higher Level thrown in as extra. They can call it whatever they want.
So we just need to wait until tomorrow to see what the actual restrictions will be because they won't actually be 4 or 5 as set out.
And the absolute waste of money by printing all this out and sending it to every household in the Country !

We never received anything in the post

Ger Roe · 18-10-2020 01:21PM

rob316 wrote: »

So the alternative is destroy the rest of society with these restrictions. There is only one exit strategy and that is ride it out until we have a vaccine early next year.

Who are 'the rest of society' that restrictions will destroy? Do you have a preferred subgroup to preserve?

Plumbthedepths · 18-10-2020 01:22PM

Hopefully we can save Christmas lol, what utter b*llix.

s1ippy · 18-10-2020 01:22PM

pjohnson wrote: »

I wouldn't use those words but I think the way the Leaving Cert grading was handled did show how well she is qualified for the job.

Yeah you're right really. Changed to more appropriately describe the carry on.

I still laugh at Boggles (i think it was them...) description of her as Ireland's hide and seek champion and all-around creepy cyborg.

I personally don't think she has the capacity for any sort of emotion, which I feel makes her a bad fit for a position involving children. Look where that got us with the church.

SusanC10 wrote: »

I think the Levels are redundant at this point. From the very start the Government did not stick to what was contained in them. It is always a certain Level with aspects of a higher Level thrown in as extra. They can call it whatever they want.
So we just need to wait until tomorrow to see what the actual restrictions will be because they won't actually be 4 or 5 as set out.

And the absolute waste of money by printing all this out and sending it to every household in the Country !

My boss does stuff like this as well. "Look you had issues with our communication so we're after pulling out all the stops in that department now and you can't complain any more"

Then nobody sees the post it on the notice board that they're fumigating the place and they can't send it via email because of GDPR and four people end up dead, that sort of thing except at a governmental level.

Sheepdish1 · 18-10-2020 01:23PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I don't think giving an open image of government thinking on national TV can be considered leaking anything.

You'd complain if we weren't being kept abreast of the decision making process.

And, it's hardly news anyway.

I was referring the the leaks two weeks ago.

Plumbthedepths · 18-10-2020 01:23PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It only has to be a surprise mole message.
Something like that we are looking to a very bleak future without major changes. There is a danger that Christmas could be a miserable time. We are going for a major lockdown in the hope we can flatten the curve before Christmas.

They need to close the schools as part of this. We need to eliminate all potential avenues of transmission that we can.

You really really want the schools closed don't you ?

LuckyLloyd · 18-10-2020 01:24PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I find the obsession with Leo here bizarre.

Seems people are pinning covid 19 on him.

Sure every other country is doing better than Ireland in handling the virus.

Leo decided to go on Claire Byrne and make out he was smarter than everyone else and only he represented the real concerns of the electorate. His words that evening have aged badly. They were his words, it was all his own choice.

Kh1993 · 18-10-2020 01:24PM

Hopefully NPHET present the data on how dangerous retail is so we can all start wearing hazmats on our weekly shopping trips.

Because it must be so dangerous if we’re considering killing the majority of retail and putting people on the dole.

Strumms · 18-10-2020 01:25PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

who says a 6 week lockdown will work in this season like it did in Spring? Winter is coming and it will be a different ballgame, the only precedent in the northern hemisphere that we have is the police state China who suffered this for winter

It works and is proven to work IF...

1) the is compliance from the majority of the public

2) if the state provides a deterrent by way of penalties to those in breach of restrictions. Fines, four days in jail for second offense whatever. ALL publicized on the news... to ensure compliance.

3) businesses who are NOT essential keep doors shut and play their part.

4) people police themselves. Friends police friends, family police family.

ie. my Dad got himself a heavy head cold. Didn’t pick that up walking to the local church... it manifested itself after he was back telling my mother who he ‘bumped into’ down there :rolleyes:

MelbourneMan · 18-10-2020 01:25PM

appledrop wrote: »

The dogs on the street know its the schools but that doesn't fit the narrative of government. Doesnt matter what level we go to once schools are still open numbers will stay high.

Dublin in lockdown now for 4 weeks + numbers still growing but can't blame bars + restaurants anymore all closed but surrrrrr no doubt its the millions of houseparties people are having.

Its a joke.

I hope the following elucidates :

Community transfer occurs wherever there is interraction of people. Whether that is in a school, shop, office, factory, public house, or whatever is rather incidental to determining the action to take. In each case, the importance and societal and economic impact put on each of these elements is the predominant influence on the decision making process guiding corrective action.

It is curious that the general population seems fixated on the locus of transmission. It is perhaps motivated and indicative of conscious or unconsious bias in the discussion by interested parties in preserving continuity in their own sector rather than a true analysis. But it is largely an irrelevant discussion, and misses the point.

In short, the where is, not quite, but almost, by the way, in the determining of the restrictions to apply.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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