Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings

lukas8888 · 17-10-2020 10:43PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Be thankful we don’t live in that basket case of a country.

You have to be joking, one of the worlds most desirable countries for a myriad of reasons.And in anticipation of your predictable reply Sweden's covid statistics compare favorably with a host of other first world countries.

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 10:46PM

charlie14 wrote: »

So is that your proposal ? Self isolation for eternity.

You asked me to name one vaccine that would guarantee you do not get infected. I told you to date there are three with a distinct possibility. I asked you to name me anything other than a vaccine that had even a remote chance of doing the same. You have not come up with anything.
It would not even need to be a distinct possibility to be better than your no possibility.

Your very quick to judge what these current vaccine will be capable off. Unless you have inside information that nobody else has, then as someone that has no other solution other than eternal isolation then maybe you should hold off on judgement. We will get to see shortly what they are capable of doing.
That is what independent safety and efficacy reviews are all about.
That it does what it says on the tin

LOL. What eternity are you talking about? By inventing this "eternity" argument rest of what you said is waffle.

FintanMcluskey · 17-10-2020 10:52PM

Juwwi wrote: »

How have you come to that conclusion ?

Have you read it somewhere ?

Surely if the vaccine stops " an obese old person " getting covid it will work

While I don’t know which vaccine will be approved the following is kinda counter productive to the severe effects old vulnerable people will suffer

“We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.”

charlie14 · 17-10-2020 10:53PM

rusty cole wrote: »

2 hours to compose a prose response..good man walter wiki, youll see thanks on your footer from the usual highbrow trinity misanthropes i bet.

If you think it took 2 hours to address that post, then you need to roll back on the old ego.

Rrrrrr2 · 17-10-2020 11:04PM

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1317582515192975360?s=21
Completely unaffordable insanity

17-10-2020 11:14PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

I have zero intention of entering into a lengthy multi-quote battle with anyone, where each sentence in a post is dissected line by line over and over until one person gets fed up or a mod gets involved.
All it does is derail threads, no one wants to read page after pages of that. It’s boring for everyone else and stifles conversation. There’s no need for it.
Thank god for the ignore button, who on earth has time for that.

Translation - I don’t want to address the valid points of the posters as they don’t suit my opinion/agenda.

charlie14 · 17-10-2020 11:20PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

LOL. What eternity are you talking about? By inventing this "eternity" argument rest of what you said is waffle.

I did ask you for a credible alternative and a time frame to go with it. You provided neither so eternity sounded about right.
Now if you want to change that.......

17-10-2020 11:20PM

acequion wrote: »

I'm slightly encouraged that no decision has been made yet nor will there be one over the weekend. Any day of relative normality is to be cherished in this mad country.

As I said previously in my opinion they are stalling until they can get as close to next weekend as possibly so when they hit the button on level 5 the schools are closed. They will then extended the midterm by at least a week also.

SusieBlue · 17-10-2020 11:27PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Translation - I don’t want to address the valid points of ten posters as they don’t suit you opinion/agenda.

Nope, it was one poster with about 30 multi quotes.
There is frankly no need for that level of scrutiny.
I’m browsing from my phone and have zero interest in getting into a lengthy squabble that most other people will just scroll past rather than read anyway.
Things usually turn personal and petty when multi quotes are involved, and I’m not going down that road with that poster, because that’s their exact style of posting across all topics and threads.

There was little substance and even less validity in their points and I don’t want to derail the thread and waste my time replying to them.

Juwwi · 17-10-2020 11:28PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

While I don’t know which vaccine will be approved the following is kinda counter productive to the severe effects old vulnerable people will suffer

“We all expect an effective vaccine to prevent serious illness if infected. Three of the vaccine protocols—Moderna, Pfizer, and AstraZeneca—do not require that their vaccine prevent serious disease only that they prevent moderate symptoms which may be as mild as cough, or headache.”

To me that is saying the vaccine doesn't have to be that effective to be approved .

I've no idea or haven't read anything what these obese old people die of tho with covid .

There could be obese old people reading these forums already worried what the future lies ahead , hoping the vaccine comes out sooner .

It sounds like your guessing or talking bull predicting that the vaccine wont help them .

One day you could be old and vulnerable .

charlie14 · 17-10-2020 11:28PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Ffs. The spanish flu wasn't the most recent pandemic. Why do people keep spouting this ****?

Well we will never have to worry about the Black Plaque if the talent for nit picking here is as good with fleas.
My bad. I should clearly have stated that I was addressing the one pandemic the poster mentioned. The Spanish Flu.

Mind you had you included the full post rather than selectively posting a single sentence I believe that would have been obvious.
It would admittedly made your comment look very pedantic though.

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 11:29PM

MadYaker wrote: »

People have been saying that in this thread since the beginning. Its the slowest tide I've ever seen.

Yeah. The same was being told about water charges. That tide came.

Multipass · 17-10-2020 11:31PM

Juwwi wrote: »

To me that is saying the vaccine doesn't have to be that effective to be approved .

I've no idea or haven't read anything what these obese old people die of tho with covid .

There could be obese old people reading these forums already worried what the future lies ahead , hoping the vaccine comes out sooner .

It sounds like your guessing or talking bull predicting that the vaccine wont help them .

One day you could be old and vulnerable .

No-one knows whether the vaccine will help them or not, including the companies developing them. Approval is going to be granted based on a small sample of moderate cases.

Juwwi · 17-10-2020 11:40PM

Multipass wrote: »

No-one knows whether the vaccine will help them or not, including the companies developing them. Approval is going to be granted based on a small sample of moderate cases.

Yeah , everyone knows that a vaccine isn't 100% sure , my point was the OP was saying obese old people basically have no hope , vaccine or not , which to put it politely is just bull****

FintanMcluskey · 17-10-2020 11:40PM

Juwwi wrote: »

To me that is saying the vaccine doesn't have to be that effective to be approved .

I've no idea or haven't read anything what these obese old people die of tho with covid .

There could be obese old people reading these forums already worried what the future lies ahead , hoping the vaccine comes out sooner .

It sounds like your guessing or talking bull predicting that the vaccine wont help them .

One day you could be old and vulnerable .

I quoted information that clearly stated the most likely vaccine to be approved will only prevent mild symptoms.

I quite likely am talking bull that that same vaccine won’t prevent those most at risk contracting Covid.

Anyhow, my point was it seem some don’t realise what the vaccine for Covid will achieve.

You have proved that

Juwwi · 17-10-2020 11:48PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I quoted information that clearly stated the most likely vaccine to be approved will only prevent mild symptoms.

I quite likely am talking bull that that same vaccine won’t prevent those most at risk contracting Covid.

Anyhow, my point was it seem some don’t realise what the vaccine for Covid will achieve.

You have proved that

I haven't proved anything .

Nobody knows what a vaccine will prevent , for whoever takes it .

You are guessing that it wont help old people .

charlie14 · 17-10-2020 11:51PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I quoted information that clearly stated the most likely vaccine to be approved will only prevent mild symptoms.

I quite likely am talking bull that that same vaccine won’t prevent those most at risk contracting Covid.

Anyhow, my point was it seem some don’t realise what the vaccine for Covid will achieve.

You have proved that

As opposed to what will be achieved without one ?

FintanMcluskey · 17-10-2020 11:56PM

Juwwi wrote: »

I haven't proved anything .

Nobody knows what a vaccine will prevent , for whoever takes it .

You are guessing that it wont help old people .

I’m quoting what the measured effect of the most likely to be approved vaccine are going to be.

If it will only prevent mild symptoms.

“ Prevention of infection is not a criterion for success for any of these vaccines.”

Yeah I’m guessing it won’t help old people, based on what I’m reading. The above quote doesn’t inspire confidence

patnor1011 · 17-10-2020 11:57PM

Jorge Limited Maze wrote: »

Translation - I don’t want to address the valid points of the posters as they don’t suit my opinion/agenda.

Since when for example, you had a single valid point? People only reply to your post because they are comedy central.

FintanMcluskey · 17-10-2020 11:58PM

charlie14 wrote: »

As opposed to what will be achieved without one ?

Swallowing your pride Charles.

And admitting we may need to follow Sweden down that awful rabbit hole

charlie14 · 18-10-2020 12:15AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Swallowing your pride Charles.

And admitting we may need to follow Sweden down that awful rabbit hole

Your a gas man Fintan. Still clinging to the old herd immunity myth. Even Sweden has given upon that and are now using their influence to become the first country to mass vaccinate.

I think the rising numbers may have made them see sense. If it had not then the re-infection there yesterday most likely would have. That and 4,749 new cases and 24 deaths the past week doesn`t say a lot for Giesecke`s herd immunity by last April or May at the latest now Fintan does it?

pjohnson · 18-10-2020 06:58AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Fearmongering? About what? I would be actually having fun if it was not tragic to see how irrationally scared people act.

Your insistence that theres no possible vaccine that will work.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Don’t mind P, he essentially picks a poster and chirps in with comments like “who’s hysterical now” for a few weeks.

When challenged he won’t be seen for a week.

Interesting that Fintan makes another incorrect statement. And still is my biggest cheerleader.

Its reassuring to see Finny make these claims it guarantees the opposite will occur.

patnor1011 · 18-10-2020 07:42AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Your insistence that theres no possible vaccine that will work.

Lol this is prime example of creative mind. I never said that "there is no possible vaccine that will work". It is purely construct of your mind. There may be vaccine invented which will work. Maybe second or third generation and these will not come any time soon.

I say it again. There is no vaccine currently in test stage which will prevent covid infection. There are companies which are trying to invent one but all those 3 favorites which are peddled here constantly as the only solution of life becoming normal again only address possible lessening of some of the covid symptoms.

The most vulnerable people with several comordities and who are at risk of severe complications or even death if they get covid, flu or even cold will still have to try not to get infected.

Astra, pfizer or oxford vaccines are not going to address spread of effect of covid infection. That is a fact.

Nonoperational · 18-10-2020 08:16AM

People seem to be very sure on the outcomes of vaccine trials not yet published. If the vaccines induce a good antibody response, even if its only for 6 months or so, we don't know what that will mean yet.

People presenting both sides of the argument as fact and getting offended when someone offers a contrary opinion is getting really fatiguing as a feature of this pandemic.

"It's my opinion so its right"

gordongekko · 18-10-2020 08:46AM

MrFrisp wrote: »

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Even the W.H.O are telling world leaders that lockdowns are not the answer.
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Then you must also know that what's being suggested here isn't a lockdown as described by the W.H.O.

bush · 18-10-2020 09:00AM

All this talk of nationwide level 5 but im wondering will they go back to local restrictions after it all?

walus · 18-10-2020 10:20AM

I have not researched this topic but what I’m hearing from both camps, anti- and pro-, is that the first version of vaccine is likely to provide only partial immunity and possibly only over an undefined (short) period of time. If that is the truth the only useful conclusion that I can draw from it that no firm planning going forward can be constructed based on availability of a vaccine. Following that logic, what is the government doing toward long term planning 12-36 month in terms of virus management and economic recovery? Making up things as they go along?

3xh · 18-10-2020 10:26AM

charlie14 wrote: »

If it had not then the re-infection there yesterday most likely would have. That and 4,749 new cases and 24 deaths the past week doesn`t say a lot for Giesecke`s herd immunity by last April or May at the latest now Fintan does it?

If these are Sweden’s total weekly figures for a population of 10m, you will admit they’re good figures? And better than ours.

Gemma1982 · 18-10-2020 10:31AM

If, as seems likely, the Cabinet decide to implement further restrictions at their meeting tomorrow, are these likely to come into effect at midnight tomorrow or Tuesday?

MelbourneMan · 18-10-2020 10:34AM

walus wrote: »

Following that logic, what is the government doing toward long term planning 12-36 month in terms of virus management and economic recovery? Making up things as they go along?

While that is a rather biased and negative way to put it, essential, yes. A more reasonable description of the approach is flexible adaptation to the situation as it evolves to optimise overall outcomes. The concern about the disruption, hardship, and worry the crisis will cause is understandable. The irrational and unrealistic expectaction that the government should have a plan to avoid those problems is not. There is no solution at the moment. The model, and experience in implementing it is evolving in all countries, Ireland included, and a system of closed loop feedback of restrictions being raised and lowered according to various measurement data and prediction models, is a good as it gets for the forseeable.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - Read OP for Mod Warnings