Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 02:52PM

UsBus wrote: »

So they arrange a meeting for 3pm on a Saturday and then decide they don't have enough time to discuss..

At this stage, the anti everything protesters can just storm the dail. No use for it at this stage, beyond pathetic from the government...

Eh, the sub-committee met. This has to go to the full Cabinet but don't let that get in the way of your rant.

Sierra Oscar · 17-10-2020 02:52PM

Wait and see approach wins the day.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1317463193590091776

froog · 17-10-2020 02:52PM

i don't think retail shops should close under any level of the plan. they seem very low risk in my opinion with distancing, sanitizing and masks. pubs and restaurants being the exception.

bennyl10 · 17-10-2020 02:54PM

Gael23 wrote: »

What sort of changes?

Some aspects of 5, but that’s all that’s being reported

Sierra Oscar · 17-10-2020 02:54PM

froog wrote: »

i don't think retail shops should close under any level of the plan. they seem very low risk in my opinion with distancing, sanitizing and masks. pubs and restaurants being the exception.

I'd be in agreement so long as such shops are enforcing the requirement to wear masks. Too many are not. I've also seen too many empty sanitisation stations lately. Complacency has set in.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 02:54PM

froog wrote: »

i don't think retail shops should close under any level of the plan. they seem very low risk in my opinion with distancing, sanitizing and masks. pubs and restaurants being the exception.

Indeed the buffet nature of the plan means we don't know what they'll do!

eagle eye · 17-10-2020 02:55PM

is_that_so wrote:

Why, will a day or two's delay make a huge difference? Bear in mind they could just reject it again and come up with another hybrid.

What do you do in emergency situations? Just chill out and do nothing?
We are in a crisis and these people are extremely well paid to serve us all. They should be meeting immediately to make decisions during a pandemic.

xhomelezz · 17-10-2020 02:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Slovakia is the test the entire population over the course of 2 weekends.
https://dennikn.sk/minuta/2092868/?ref=mpm

Two weeks to go to start testing. Using antibody tests.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 17-10-2020 02:57PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What do you do in emergency situations? Just chill out and do nothing?
We are in a crisis and these people are extremely well paid to serve us all. They should be meeting immediately to make decisions during a pandemic.

The government decision is quiet obvious. Delay till Monday or Tuesday and hope that level 3 nationwide begins to effect the numbers in a positive way.

bb1234567 · 17-10-2020 02:57PM

Does Moldova have a really surprisingly good healthcare system ? Unbelievably they have almost 900 covid patients ICU with a population 20% smaller than ours, thats a huge capacity that seems to have not been overrun yet either. Really puts us to shame there!

Martina1991 · 17-10-2020 02:57PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

True, but couldn't they rely on testing done in other countries e.g. Germany. I don't see why we need to do our own testing.

You absolutely cannot rely on a test just because other countries are using it.

It has to be trialled, audited and validated for use in Ireland, in the settings it is intended to be used.

This report does not mean this rapid test will actually be used yet. Just that it is being evaluated.
If it is found to not be good enough it will not be used.

I think people are getting too far ahead of themselves and thinking these tests will be used here there and everywhere by anyone at anytime.

They will be used as a point of care test in a healthcare setting. Not in bars, restaurants or airplanes.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 02:58PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I'd be in agreement so long as such shops are enforcing the requirement to wear masks. Too many are not. I've also seen too many empty sanitisation stations lately. Complacency has set in.

Things they can control and things they can't. Not really their place to police masks and as stated above they are probably low or a lower risk. They have also been open in part or fully all of this time.

dmakc · 17-10-2020 02:59PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What do you do in emergency situations? Just chill out and do nothing?
We are in a crisis and these people are extremely well paid to serve us all. They should be meeting immediately to make decisions during a pandemic.

The (highly unlikely) ceiling here is level 5 which doesn't really achieve much over level 3.99 anyway. This is down to public buy-in. Shouldn't matter on waiting what to be told.

bennyl10 · 17-10-2020 02:59PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The government decision is quiet obvious. Delay till Monday or Tuesday and hope that level 3 nationwide begins to effect the numbers in a positive way.

Even though it hasn’t in any other county

And we are seeing numbers spiralling all over Europe I’m even where measures similar to L3 have been introduced

jopax · 17-10-2020 02:59PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The government decision is quiet obvious. Delay till Monday or Tuesday and hope that level 3 nationwide begins to effect the numbers in a positive way.

Yes didn't sleepy just say that s few counties seem to be stabilizing

17-10-2020 03:00PM

speckle wrote: »

Anyone what sort of test they will be using? Anyone here read slovakian? Apologies if that is not the language name.

https://www.thenationalherald.com/coronavirus/arthro/slovakia_is_acquiring_13_million_rapid_antigen_tests-1033193/

Sierra Oscar · 17-10-2020 03:00PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

The government decision is quiet obvious. Delay till Monday or Tuesday and hope that level 3 nationwide begins to effect the numbers in a positive way.

That and if things seriously deteriorate in the coming days then it only strengthens the Government's hand in bringing in much tougher restrictions. It wouldn't surprise me if the Government wait another couple of weeks before moving to level 5.

A few days of 3,000 + cases and rapidly increasing hospitalisation rates may focus public opinion.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 17-10-2020 03:00PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Does Moldova have a really surprisingly good healthcare system ? Unbelievably they have almost 900 covid patients ICU with a population 25% smaller than ours, thats a huge capacity that seems to have not been overrun yet either. Really puts us to shame there!

Can you source that claim. Worldometers say 864 serious cases (our 29 series cases is icu) but serious cases doesn't equal icu for all countries.

Could it be that serious cases is hospitalised cases or total icu admissions rather than active cases?

The total day to day cases don't seem worse than ours.

wes · 17-10-2020 03:00PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

I'd be in agreement so long as such shops are enforcing the requirement to wear masks. Too many are not. I've also seen too many empty sanitisation stations lately. Complacency has set in.

Not just customers being able to wander in without a mask. I see employees not wearing them, and that is a bigger danger to there colleagues. There needs to be very strict enforcement of masking in a situation were retail is still open.

I think if a customer or a member of staff is not found to be wearing a mask, the the store should be closed for a week, and if it happens again make it 2 weeks and so on.

People who can't wear masks (we need to be honest most people claiming this are lying), can be accommodated outside stores by providing there list to the employees.

That is the only way I can see it being safe.

hmmm · 17-10-2020 03:00PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Not really their place to police masks

If they can't do the bare minimum then they have little argument if they are closed.

I hope "non essential" retail remains open, but they have to lift a finger and justify why that should be.

titan18 · 17-10-2020 03:01PM

Government are incompetent cowardly morons.

Shocker!!!!

CIARAN_BOYLE · 17-10-2020 03:02PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Even though it hasn’t in any other county

And we are seeing numbers spiralling all over Europe I’m even where measures similar to L3 have been introduced

Im not saying its a good decision just what they seem have gone for.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 03:02PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What do you do in emergency situations? Just chill out and do nothing?
We are in a crisis and these people are extremely well paid to serve us all. They should be meeting immediately to make decisions during a pandemic.

I'm a fan of sleeping on things for a day or even two, it helps you to consider all of the options. Close the country now for 6 weeks + does not do that, because it represents only one single part of that equation.

mountgomery burns · 17-10-2020 03:02PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What do you do in emergency situations? Just chill out and do nothing?

Indeed, because as we know there are no measures in place currently to mitigate against Covid-19. Absolutely none

Sierra Oscar · 17-10-2020 03:02PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Things they can control and things they can't. Not really their place to police masks and as stated above they are probably low or a lower risk. They have also been open in part or fully all of this time.

Why not? It is their staff and customers that are put at risk by such behaviour. Refuse to serve people who are refusing to wear masks. End of.

is_that_so · 17-10-2020 03:02PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

That and if things seriously deteriorate in the coming days then it only strengthens the Government's hand in bringing in much tougher restrictions. It wouldn't surprise me if the Government wait another couple of weeks before moving to level 5.

A few days of 3,000 + cases and rapidly increasing hospitalisation rates may focus public opinion.

Is this something you are wishing for?

jd · 17-10-2020 03:03PM

https://twitter.com/PadraigMcL/status/1317451749532327937

Marc MacSharry, the Fianna Fáil TD for Sligo-Leitrim, is understood to have sent a research paper [on covid] he authored to the Taoiseach and Mr Donnelly during the week.

:eek:

Sierra Oscar · 17-10-2020 03:03PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Is this something you are wishing for?

No.

Icyseanfitz · 17-10-2020 03:05PM

Wait and think things through ffs, have they not had since the last level 5 reccomendations to think

octsol · 17-10-2020 03:05PM

Any indication what number of cases may be today

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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