Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 12:27PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Holohan and the rest of his team have only one job and that is to advise on the handling of Covid, nothing else. Government have many other things to handle. Example throwing several hundred thousand people onto the PUP scheme if they close the country like Holohan wants. I have zero respect for Holohan and that stems for the Cervical smear scandal way before Covid. He didn't help himself that not even his first day back he wanted a full lockdown despite his team's advice 3 days earlier. He has no credibility in my opinion .

My lack of respect for Holohan stems from his advice that nursing home should continue to allow visitors at a time when nursing home residents in Spain and Italy were dying in large numbers. That advice likely cost hundreds of lives in Ireland.

Icyseanfitz · 17-10-2020 12:27PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Holohan and the rest of his team have only one job and that is to advise on the handling of Covid, nothing else. Government have many other things to handle. Example throwing several hundred thousand people onto the PUP scheme if they close the country like Holohan wants. I have zero respect for Holohan and that stems for the Cervical smear scandal way before Covid. He didn't help himself that not even his first day back he wanted a full lockdown despite his team's advice 3 days earlier. He has no credibility in my opinion .

And yet here we are with uncontrollable community transmission and our contact tracing falling apart

Benimar · 17-10-2020 12:27PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Yes, the 28th March measures had a big impact but there is no data showing the 12th March measures made any difference.

NPHET are on record as saying they did, but not enough.

frank8211 · 17-10-2020 12:28PM

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

I'm assuming Level 4 basically shuts the economy bar essential shops, while keeping schools and GAA going?

Keeping those going would make any other steps pointless

mcburns07 · 17-10-2020 12:28PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Dublin, there you go, not working, where did i advocacy for skipping level 4? They should have gone to that when they where advised initially for level 5 by nphet.

I would also assume you know absolutely **** all as well

Not working in what way? Seems like expectations are completely unrealistic. The plan is called Living With Covid, the aim was keep numbers manageable, not to eradicate the virus or suppress it to tiny numbers.

You are correct, I do know **** all. I'm not blabbing on about things not working or what they should have done like yourself.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 12:28PM

Benimar wrote: »

NPHET are on record as saying they did, but not enough.

Just to note that people were scared at the time, restaurants were empty etc, you can't strip out the school effect.

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 12:29PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

And yet here we are with uncontrollable community transmission and our contact tracing falling apart

Isn't there someone that sits on Holohans team that has responsibility for contact tracing. Is it not a function of the HSE. Paul Reid is the HSE boss and sits on Nphet.

Benimar · 17-10-2020 12:30PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Just to note that people were scared at the time, restaurants were empty etc, you can't strip out the school effect.

Which is exactly what I said. However to say schools closing had no part to play is frankly rubbish.

caveat emptor · 17-10-2020 12:30PM

There’s a strong sentiment to undermine public health advice. That won’t help the country. It may however help particular vested interest groups. It is transparent at this stage. Politicians would do well to listen to the majority.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 12:30PM

Benimar wrote: »

Which is exactly what I said. However to say schools closing had no part to play is frankly rubbish.

Based on what data, exactly?

Happydays2020 · 17-10-2020 12:30PM

Curious_Case wrote: »

Interesting, I guess the Irish curve will continue to follow the Belgian curve unless the two countries significantly diverge in terms of levels of restrictions.

I note your observations of a 2 week lag and the scale factor of .5 when converting from Belgian numbers to Irish numbers.

6 weeks of similarity is difficult to dismiss regarding the "future trajectory" of Ireland's graph.

Up until two weeks ago Belgium had pubs open which were jammers. They had a bizarre situation in Brussels whereby masks were required outside yet people could walk into a packed pub without controls and take the mask off. They had relaxed a lot more than we had And there had been a greater return to the workplace. I really don’t think we are fully comparable.

TonyMaloney · 17-10-2020 12:32PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Isn't there someone that sits on Holohans team that has responsibility for contact tracing. Is it not a function of the HSE. Paul Reid is the HSE boss and sits on Nphet.

No he doesn't, but please continue

Goldrickssan · 17-10-2020 12:33PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

There’s a strong sentiment to undermine public health advice. That won’t help the country. It may however help particular vested interest groups. It is transparent at this stage. Politicians would do well to listen to the majority.

Public health advice is also not the be all and end all advice. Taking other parts of public protection into account is not undermining.

mloc123 · 17-10-2020 12:34PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Based on what data, exactly?

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speckle · 17-10-2020 12:35PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

I rarely read newspapers mainly because I am shocked at the swizz these people pull getting paid regularly to write drivel but I clicked on an article by Fergal Bowers today out of an incurable habit of curiosity. Read not much I must confess - I saw he mentioned hankies as a good Christmas present for all the tears (is he a satirist?) - but there was a photo in it of a woman wearing a mask in what looked to be her own home and she had her palm pressed against the glass of the French doors and she was staring sadly out at nothing. Have to say I found it very odd looking.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1172039/

Goid article but yeh the photo is weird. Any one is welcome to send hankys to me as a present not for tears but sneezes.:)

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 12:35PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

No he doesn't, but please continue

So I was wrong about Reid, thanks for the clarification. The HSE have a seat at the Nphet table.

petes · 17-10-2020 12:35PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

If you're doing to base your view on one anecdote rather than comprehensive data, then go ahead.

I don't actually have to, local school in Meath had a positive case, only the household was tested. I know this as it's my sister's household. Not all of these 'anecdotes' hold no truth.

seamus · 17-10-2020 12:36PM

Benimar wrote: »

Which is exactly what I said. However to say schools closing had no part to play is frankly rubbish.

There is no evidence to indicate that closing schools had a downward effect on transmission rates.

We can only go on the data available, and we do know that 2-3 weeks after schools closed is when infections and deaths really started to escalate badly.

So based on that alone, we shouldn't consider closing schools to be an effective measure, and we should be cautious that it may actually be an aggravating factor.

17-10-2020 12:39PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Isn't there someone that sits on Holohans team that has responsibility for contact tracing. Is it not a function of the HSE. Paul Reid is the HSE boss and sits on Nphet.

I heard that its the army band who are doing the contact tracing in the country at the minute.

spookwoman · 17-10-2020 12:40PM

Boggles wrote: »

Sure if 'Danny Boy' on Twitter says so, must be legit.

Problems with his numbers, he is using 2019 population pyramid. All official covid reports use 2016 census and 0-4, 5-14, 15-24 age groups, census uses 0-4, 5-12 13-18 and 19-24 age groups. Incidence rates per pop not to be trusted.

Golfman64 · 17-10-2020 12:42PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

There’s a strong sentiment to undermine public health advice. That won’t help the country. It may however help particular vested interest groups. It is transparent at this stage. Politicians would do well to listen to the majority.

Source?

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 12:43PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Problems with his numbers, he is using 2019 population pyramid. All official covid reports use 0-4, 5-14, 15-24 age groups, census uses 0-4, 5-12 13-18 and 19-24 age groups. Incidence rates per pop not to be trusted.

Are you kidding me? That couldn't make any material difference to the findings.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-10-2020 12:44PM

petes wrote: »

I don't actually have to, local school in Meath had a positive case, only the household was tested. I know this as it's my sister's household. Not all of these 'anecdotes' hold no truth.

I didn't say your anecdotes were not true. The point is that only overall data will tell you whether schools are a big issue or not.

Paddygreen · 17-10-2020 12:46PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

There’s a strong sentiment to undermine public health advice. That won’t help the country. It may however help particular vested interest groups. It is transparent at this stage. Politicians would do well to listen to the majority.

People should pull on the green jersey when they are staying home to stay safe the next time. A bit of patriotism. We have the hand of destiny on our shoulder as we hold firm in the face of the terrifying virus. Holding firm on the home front as our hero’s man the barricades. If there is a god he would be on our side. In it together as we stay apart. Hunkered down with our essentials waiting for George Lee and Dr Hulahoop to comfort us, those old familiar faces that warm our hearts and give us hope. Dark days indeed but if we follow the guidelines at least some of us might make it.

Widdensushi · 17-10-2020 12:46PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

There’s a strong sentiment to undermine public health advice. That won’t help the country. It may however help particular vested interest groups. It is transparent at this stage. Politicians would do well to listen to the majority.

The majority of what?

speckle · 17-10-2020 12:47PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

State to begin testing rapid Covid-19 antigen kits for national rollout

Rapid testing kits could potentially be approved by the end of the year

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/state-to-begin-testing-rapid-covid-19-antigen-kits-for-national-rollout-1.4383213

Fingers crossed the trials are successful

would be a good help to have rapid, cheap tests

And some people disagreed with me here when I mentioned these months back for using as a public health measure along side the pcr for clinicisl purpose. Great news a game changer if we can make them work. Roll on the spit in a tube or on a piece of paper ones also. i feel happier today.:)

Plumbthedepths · 17-10-2020 12:47PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

The majority of what?

Twitter users.

Dempo1 · 17-10-2020 12:49PM

I see Dr Houlihan and senior members of NPHET Summonsed to government building to explain level 5 recommendations.

Love to be a fly on the wall at this meeting.

Presumably government looking for cover or excuses to spin.

bodhrandude · 17-10-2020 12:50PM

Boggles wrote: »

School told maskless students were not close contacts with SNA despite 'intimate care level

Just getting blatantly wreckless now.

It reminds me of the HSE advice when the pandemic started when they kept stating community transmission of the virus is low, until guess what? It wasn't low anymore.

petes · 17-10-2020 12:50PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I didn't say your anecdotes were not true. The point is that only overall data will tell you whether schools are a big issue or not.

That's fine and I agree with you but how many schools is this happening? If it's a lot the data won't show a true reflection of the case incidence in schools so can't tell you if there is a big issue or not.

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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