How hard is it to get the rolex you want

JohnW2008 · 15-10-2020 9:06pm

Fitz II wrote: »

I have been informed for a non preferred client your looking 2-3 years. Honestly you would be better off paying the gray market premium and getting the watch, it will be worth more than you pay when you sell it.

Ah thanks for getting back to me - I was obviously a bit naive in thinking it would be less.

scwazrh · 15-10-2020 9:07pm

Fitz II wrote: »

I have been informed for a non preferred client your looking 2-3 years. Honestly you would be better off paying the gray market premium and getting the watch, it will be worth more than you pay when you sell it.

There’s one on adverts for €10 k at the moment which seems a reasonable price when you take into account the way the market is at the moment

Fitz II · 15-10-2020 9:20pm

scwazrh wrote: »

There’s one on adverts for €10 k at the moment which seems a reasonable price when you take into account the way the market is at the moment

Your money is safe in a sub. 10k is a bit steep but not far off. Dont know that its the new 41mm model though.

Dont know that a no date sub is worth that money as a watch. I would go for a 14060 or 14060m, 6-7k and tipped to be a classic.

scwazrh · 15-10-2020 9:28pm

Fitz II wrote: »

Your money is safe in a sub. 10k is a bit steep but not far off. Dont know that its the new 41mm model though.

Dont know that a no date sub is worth that money as a watch. I would go for a 14060 or 14060m, 6-7k and tipped to be a classic.

Is the m the pre ceramic model and the 14060 the one before that? I’ve heard the straps are not great on the older subs?

Fitz II · 15-10-2020 9:39pm

scwazrh wrote: »

Is the m the pre ceramic model and the 14060 the one before that? I’ve heard the straps are not great on the older subs?

They are both pre ceramic the m version just having an updated movement. The bracelets are folded end links, but I didn't really have any issue with them, very comfortable but yes the new bracelet is superior.

unkel · 15-10-2020 11:34pm

Fitz II wrote: »

I have been informed for a non preferred client your looking 2-3 years.

I'd say that's optimistic. If the economic climate doesn't change for the worse drastically, I'd say you will never get it from being on the waiting list without spending any money in the AD. Forget about it. And that's coming from me. I'm on the waiting list myself for a no date sub.

banie01 · 16-10-2020 9:31am

unkel wrote: »

I'm on the waiting list myself for a no date sub.

Me too, but only for the last 6 months or so. I'm actually not expecting to get one at all because the acquaintance I have working in Keanes keeps trying to sell me other stuff instead.
Can easily see it being another 2yrs TBH.

I'm also not sure if I want it in 41, but then if I get the call I know I'd likely buy and flip it at some point.
I'd really want it to be a keeper, but the truth is if one gets stuck for cash.
It'd be the easiest to liquidate.

Fitz II · 16-10-2020 10:31am

banie01 wrote: »

Me too, but only for the last 6 months or so. I'm actually not expecting to get one at all because the acquaintance I have working in Keanes keeps trying to sell me other stuff instead.
Can easily see it being another 2yrs TBH.

I'm also not sure if I want it in 41, but then if I get the call I know I'd likely buy and flip it at some point.
I'd really want it to be a keeper, but the truth is if one gets stuck for cash.
It'd be the easiest to liquidate.

The actual dimension of the new one is only 0.3mm wider in diameter its almost impossible to tell and the lug slimming offsets this miniscule change anyway. Its basically free money, buy and flip if you dont want it make at least a grand. As much as its frustrating being a customer, imaging holding a Rolex AD and not having the stock people want. Shipment after shipment its all 30k precious metal and two tone datejust....nightmare.

techguy · 16-10-2020 10:47am

Fitz II wrote: »

The actual dimension of the new one is only 0.3mm wider in diameter its almost impossible to tell and the lug slimming offsets this miniscule change anyway. Its basically free money, buy and flip if you dont want it make at least a grand. As much as its frustrating being a customer, imaging holding a Rolex AD and not having the stock people want. Shipment after shipment its all 30k precious metal and two tone datejust....nightmare.

I can't image it being _that bad_. I mean Rolex HQ play the game and they can't expect ADs to hold a bucket of unwanted stock.

I guess that while the pro watches are most in demand. There is probably a healthy market for the precious metal stuff too. The number of ADs in a geographic areas will be proportional to the economy/population and they only need a handful of wealthy clients to keep them in the black.

Cyclingtourist · 16-10-2020 11:15am

If you make it to my age you're automatically put on the grim reaper watch list.

banie01 · 16-10-2020 11:16am

Fitz II wrote: »

The actual dimension of the new one is only 0.3mm wider in diameter its almost impossible to tell and the lug slimming offsets this miniscule change anyway. Its basically free money, buy and flip if you dont want it make at least a grand. As much as its frustrating being a customer, imaging holding a Rolex AD and not having the stock people want. Shipment after shipment its all 30k precious metal and two tone datejust....nightmare.

Thanks for that Fitz, I honestly had no clue as to comparative size but that kinda settles it should I ever get the call

unkel · 16-10-2020 11:41am

Cyclingtourist wrote: »

If you make it to my age you're automatically put on the grim reaper watch list.

Relax man, there's no way he wants you as much as we all want our Rolex :pac:

Fitz II · 16-10-2020 11:42am

banie01 wrote: »

Thanks for that Fitz, I honestly had no clue as to comparative size but that kinda settles it should I ever get the call

"You never actually own a Rolex you just keep your place on the list for the next generation"

Eoin · 16-10-2020 11:42am

banie01 wrote: »

Thanks for that Fitz, I honestly had no clue as to comparative size but that kinda settles it should I ever get the call

Fitz is correct about this. But funnily enough, while the new sub is a touch bigger than the outgoing ceramic model and looks largely the same - the first version of the Sub C is 40mm like the older ones, but wears much bigger because of the maxi-case.

Most purists probably think the proportions of the previous models is better, which I understand. But it does feel smaller, and I found the bracelet did not feel at all premium.

Rootsblower · 16-10-2020 3:00pm

Fitz II wrote: »

The actual dimension of the new one is only 0.3mm wider in diameter its almost impossible to tell and the lug slimming offsets this miniscule change anyway. Its basically free money, buy and flip if you dont want it make at least a grand. As much as its frustrating being a customer, imaging holding a Rolex AD and not having the stock people want. Shipment after shipment its all 30k precious metal and two tone datejust....nightmare.

This is why AD’s try and “bundle” the in demand models with higher margin items such as jewellery or try and sell you an Omega or Breitling.

Rolex is laughing. They sell 100% of production every year. It must be some pain in the hole for an AD to get a load of PM models and try and shift them.Can you really blame a AD trying to score a few extra euro by trying to peddle other stuff to customers in order to get them access to the in demand models. According to rolexforums AD’s must accept what their given in their Rolex shipments and if they don’t like it they can take a hike.

If you are an AD and get 1 sub and 10 Lady-Datejusts/Cellini/DayDates unless you’re in an affluent area I don’t think your gonna shift the latter too easily and the bills have to be paid so I can see why they play the bundling game.

Saying that I saw a yellow gold day/date in Keanes a few weeks ago and if I had the money I’d be all over it. I know a lot of people don’t like it but I think it’s a classic.

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 3:21pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

This is why AD’s try and “bundle” the in demand models with higher margin items such as jewellery or try and sell you an Omega or Breitling.

Rolex is laughing. They sell 100% of production every year. It must be some pain in the hole for an AD to get a load of PM models and try and shift them.Can you really blame a AD trying to score a few extra euro by trying to peddle other stuff to customers in order to get them access to the in demand models. According to rolexforums AD’s must accept what their given in their Rolex shipments and if they don’t like it they can take a hike.

If you are an AD and get 1 sub and 10 Lady-Datejusts/Cellini/DayDates unless you’re in an affluent area I don’t think your gonna shift the latter too easily and the bills have to be paid so I can see why they play the bundling game.

Saying that I saw a yellow gold day/date in Keanes a few weeks ago and if I had the money I’d be all over it. I know a lot of people don’t like it but I think it’s a classic.

yellow gold day date is very nice, retail on the current model is :eek:

Fitz II · 16-10-2020 3:31pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

Saying that I saw a yellow gold day/date in Keanes a few weeks ago and if I had the money I’d be all over it. I know a lot of people don’t like it but I think it’s a classic.

I would be into that....its a endgame watch. Say what you want about it, a gold day/date is a heavy hitter.

Rootsblower · 16-10-2020 3:52pm

Fitz II wrote: »

I would be into that....its a endgame watch. Say what you want about it, a gold day/date is a heavy hitter.

When you think about it a day/date is retailing at about 34k and your literally getting a lump of gold , maybe not 34k worth of gold but probably 10k of gold. This watch’s value is less second hand than its retail price even though its components have a quantifiable value i.e the price of gold.

Contrast that with a new submariner with a retail price of circa 9k whose components have little to no quantifiable value but could be sold on the secondary market for anything up to double retail.

I just think there’s no logic at play regarding Rolex at the moment.

Seen a nice 36 mm day date in the uk on a leather strap for 7k I have to admit I was tempted. It was mint with b&p, new bracelet from Rolex I believe is 8k. Was gonna buy the watch and hold off on the bracelet for a couple of years but I mentioned it to the Mrs. The look I got was all the answer I needed!!!

Cyrus · 16-10-2020 3:56pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

When you think about it a day/date is retailing at about 34k and your literally getting a lump of gold , maybe not 34k worth of gold but probably 10k of gold. This watch’s value is less second hand than its retail price even though its components have a quantifiable value i.e the price of gold.

Contrast that with a new submariner with a retail price of circa 9k whose components have little to no quantifiable value but could be sold on the secondary market for anything up to double retail.

I just think there’s no logic at play regarding Rolex at the moment.

there was a period where you could get a white gold daytona near enough the price of a s/s one, thats gone now, but the price differential isnt as high as it should be.

unkel · 17-10-2020 12:11am

Eoin wrote: »

Fitz is correct about this. But funnily enough, while the new sub is a touch bigger than the outgoing ceramic model and looks largely the same - the first version of the Sub C is 40mm like the older ones, but wears much bigger because of the maxi-case.

Most purists probably think the proportions of the previous models is better, which I understand. But it does feel smaller, and I found the bracelet did not feel at all premium.

Not so sure about any of that from the side-by-side reviews I have seen, the newer model looks substantially bigger, but as in more watch and less case

The old maxi case looks overwhelming I feel unless you have a large (>=7.5") wrist

A great improvement of the new model is going from 20 to 21mm lug width. Should have been 22mm but hey, maybe in 2030

Eoin · 17-10-2020 12:46am

unkel wrote: »

A great improvement of the new model is going from 20 to 21mm lug width.

Agreed - certainly helped the proportions

893bet · 17-10-2020 9:43am

Rootsblower wrote: »

When you think about it a day/date is retailing at about 34k and your literally getting a lump of gold , maybe not 34k worth of gold but probably 10k of gold. This watch’s value is less second hand than its retail price even though its components have a quantifiable value i.e the price of gold.

Contrast that with a new submariner with a retail price of circa 9k whose components have little to no quantifiable value but could be sold on the secondary market for anything up to double retail.

I just think there’s no logic at play regarding Rolex at the moment.

Seen a nice 36 mm day date in the uk on a leather strap for 7k I have to admit I was tempted. It was mint with b&p, new bracelet from Rolex I believe is 8k. Was gonna buy the watch and hold off on the bracelet for a couple of years but I mentioned it to the Mrs. The look I got was all the answer I needed!!!

I remember doing a little googling on how much gold is in a gold Rolex. Decent rule of thumb at the time seemed 10 percent! I.e a 40k watch would have circa 4k gold.

Frightening!

Rootsblower · 17-10-2020 10:08am

893bet wrote: »

I remember doing a little googling on how much gold is in a gold Rolex. Decent rule of thumb at the time seemed 10 percent! I.e a 40k watch would have circa 4k gold.

Frightening!

Done a little research.

The best answer I can get regarding the weight of a yellow gold Day/Date 40 is 205g to 220g depending on how many links so let’s take the midpoint of 213g

At yesterday’s close of the markets gold was €52.19 per gram giving the scrap value of a Day/Date 40 of €11116.47.

893bet · 17-10-2020 10:22am

Rootsblower wrote: »

Done a little research.

The best answer I can get regarding the weight of a yellow gold Day/Date 40 is 205g to 220g depending on how many links so let’s take the midpoint of 213g

At yesterday’s close of the markets gold was €52.19 per gram giving the scrap value of a Day/Date 40 of €11116.47.

Suspect that weight included the movement weight and crystal. I would be surprised if it was that high of an intrinsic value to be honest.

Rootsblower · 17-10-2020 10:27am

893bet wrote: »

Suspect that weight included the movement weight and crystal. I would be surprised if it was that high of an intrinsic value to be honest.

I’d say you’d struggle to get even half that that if selling for scrap gold, still though it beats the scrap value of the stainless steel and has some intrinsic value no matter how fashions rise and fall.

Someday maybe

Oafley Jones · 17-10-2020 12:23pm

Rootsblower wrote: »

Done a little research.

The best answer I can get regarding the weight of a yellow gold Day/Date 40 is 205g to 220g depending on how many links so let’s take the midpoint of 213g

At yesterday’s close of the markets gold was €52.19 per gram giving the scrap value of a Day/Date 40 of €11116.47.

Figures are a bit out. Remember watches aren’t 24k gold. Edit. Also worth tracking the historical price of gold vs the selling price of a day date. I suspect it won’t be too far back before you hit that 10%.

893bet · 17-10-2020 12:34pm

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Figures are a bit out. Remember watches aren’t 24k gold. Edit. Also worth tracking the historical price of gold vs the selling price of a day date. I suspect it won’t be too far back before you hit that 10%.

Good point. Think the Rolex are 18k? So 39 a gram. So lose 25percent. Plus the weight of the movement and sapphire to also come off. Gets low very fast.

Eitherway, never in a million years will one be scrapped like this so it’s all academic.

Fitz II · 17-10-2020 12:37pm

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DPG · 11-04-2021 8:39pm

Does anyone know if the wait list for a regular platinum Daytona or one with diamond markers would be similar to that of the stainless steel in Weirs? I have absolutely no relationship with Weirs so expecting my chances are slim to none of acquiring one.

My father purchased a gold day date with black face and diamond numbers from them in the mid 90s so hoping that might count for something.

Cyrus · 11-04-2021 8:45pm

DPG wrote: »

Does anyone know if the wait list for a regular platinum Daytona or one with diamond markers would be similar to that of the stainless steel in Weirs? I have absolutely no relationship with Weirs so expecting my chances are slim to none of acquiring one.

My father purchased a gold day date with black face and diamond numbers from them in the mid 90s so hoping that might count for something.

I’d imagine a platinum or diamond marker Daytona is a lot easier to get as demand is a lot lower. I’d want preferred treatment on a stainless steel model if i was paying for a platinum.

How hard is it to get the rolex you want

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