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How hard is it to get the rolex you want

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  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭ username?!


    For Porsche, I can understand their business model. You can buy any entry level model with ease, but our "better, more expensive, exclusive" models are only for repeat customers.

    Rolex has done the opposite here, the "entry level" sports watches are the hardest to find. People are drooling over a SS piece that is worth 8k but ignoring PM pieces that cost 4 times as much.

    What they are doing, is making "entry" into the Rolex world harder for the "ordinary person" who wants to buy 1 or 2 watches in their lifetime. This was "confirmed" to me when I asked the question about the shortage to an AD in Dublin who responded by telling me Rolex are unhappy with the clientele that are purchasing SS models.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Dante Delicious Magnum


    Firstly I never insulted your dads watches, I did rightly guess that you had not been left watches as you saw no value in them beyond your own death. Good you were waiting in the long grass to attack me rather than the arguement...

    Secondly worth is always monetary, value is not. And when it comes to discussions on buying Rolex new and used money does come I to it. And the old adage is buy the seller.

    Thirdly I am not insinuating I will not partake in an interview process to buy unnecessary luxury goods. I am overtly saying it. I will not.

    If talking money is too crass I would suggest the "how hard is it to get the Rolex you want" thread will anger you.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    username?! wrote: »
    For Porsche, I can understand their business model. You can buy any entry level model with ease, but our "better, more expensive, exclusive" models are only for repeat customers.

    Rolex has done the opposite here, the "entry level" sports watches are the hardest to find. People are drooling over a SS piece that is worth 8k but ignoring PM pieces that cost 4 times as much.
    Yup, but like I said U, Rolex are absolute masters of marketing and considering that the Swiss watch industry marketing overall is in the top bracket anyway, it takes some genius to be king among kings. Plus the SS models have the wider profit margin for Rolex and other makers so there's that too. Just like there is a bigger profit margin with mechanical over quartz, so generally speaking brands would much rather sell you a mechanical rather than quartz and an SS model than an 18kt gold model.
    What they are doing, is making "entry" into the Rolex world harder for the "ordinary person" who wants to buy 1 or 2 watches in their lifetime.
    Indeed U, though I suspect that the vast bulk of the current demand is coming from existing watch hobbyists, especially the newer folks to the field, rather than the chap or chappess buying the one lifetime watch. There would be the Asian market too, but IIRC that has contracted from a peak a couple of years ago.
    This was "confirmed" to me when I asked the question about the shortage to an AD in Dublin who responded by telling me Rolex are unhappy with the clientele that are purchasing SS models.
    :D Bless. And a bit odd considering that their gold models still have the old sniff of being bought by car salesmen and wideboys with gold teeth. I would have thought their SS models are much more the ordinary more discerning chap with some extra spending money clientele base? Though I would take AD's tales with a pinch of salt.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭ username?!


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Though I would take AD's tales with a pinch of salt.

    100% agree. I'm just repeating what their thought process was, on that given second.

    Anyway, my search for a SubDate at retail continues...


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭ fret_wimp2


    Firstly I never insulted your dads watches, I did rightly guess that you had not been left watches as you saw no value in them beyond your own death. Good you were waiting in the long grass to attack me rather than the arguement...

    Secondly worth is always monetary, value is not. And when it comes to discussions on buying Rolex new and used money does come I to it. And the old adage is buy the seller.

    Thirdly I am not insinuating I will not partake in an interview process to buy unnecessary luxury goods. I am overtly saying it. I will not.

    If talking money is too crass I would suggest the "how hard is it to get the Rolex you want" thread will anger you.

    You were called on it by more than just me. maybe everyone in that thread except you was wrong. its the only possible conclusion.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    OK folks, not this again please.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,523 ✭✭✭ Marcusm


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The general principles of buying and selling go out the window with certain luxury goods. The customer fighting for the right to buy being one. That's generally in play to help with the rarity idea, but at the moment with the recent demand for Rolex gone mainstream it's gone a bit nuts.

    If you think Rolex is nuts, never marry anyone with a Louis Vuitton addiction...


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,739 ✭✭✭✭ Cienciano


    they see us as stupid sheep following the trends

    And they'd be right!

    As for the porsche analogy, username put it well, imagine the bog standard one going for the same price as the RS. And the green one going for more because green is in fashion at the moment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,303 ✭✭✭ Oafley Jones


    Marcusm wrote: »
    If you think Rolex is nuts, never marry anyone with a Louis Vuitton addiction...

    Farfetch ads on Facebook are currently trying to sell me a second hand LV football for 5700 Euro. Naturally, I’m waiting for the 10% discount.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Dante Delicious Magnum


    Cienciano wrote: »
    And they'd be right!

    As for the porsche analogy, username put it well, imagine the bog standard one going for the same price as the RS. And the green one going for more because green is in fashion at the moment.

    I agree, its mental. When the hulk came out most people thought it was not very nice, now its the darling why? because its hard to get.

    I love Rolex, I think they are great. But until we (alfa males with thousands of euros to waste invest in watches) stop licking the ass of AD jobworths nothing is going to change. There are plenty of Rolex out there at great prices if you look and ask.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    alfa males
    Fairly stylish and quirky, but likely to break down at any moment? Sounds about right. :D

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Dante Delicious Magnum


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Fairly stylish and quirky, but likely to break down at any moment? Sounds about right. :D

    lol....your not wrong...you can see what forums my autocorrect is usually on :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭ shutup


    Do you actually think that's an appropriate analogy in any way? To compare buying a pint that costs fiver, that you can buy on any paved street, that will be consumed in a matter of minutes and is gone, to a watch that you can't get anywhere, that costs 5 figures, that will keep most or possibly increase its value, that can be passed down generations.

    I get if you don't want to play the little games rich people play but that was just a really daft analogy on many levels. When your target market is people with plenty of dosh, the only way to make them desire your product besides quality and legacy/brand recognition is scarcity. In fact that's how you make sure the ones with the dosh are willing to part with loads of it. They need some kind of challenge! And the shops need to sell more than just the popular watch of the moment to keep afloat im guessing.

    And you will often get perks for being a regular in a pub ad well! Lock ins, the odd freebie etc.

    Sorry mate, I got 7 thanks including one from forum heavyweight Wibbs. The motion carries!
    I’m off to buy a seiko


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,681 ✭✭✭ Faith+1


    shutup wrote: »
    Sorry mate, I got 7 thanks including one from forum heavyweight Wibbs. The motion carries!
    I’m off to buy a seiko

    Grand Seiko?


  • Registered Users Posts: 507 ✭✭✭ shutup


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    Grand Seiko?

    I wouldn’t spend a grand on a seiko


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,739 ✭✭✭✭ Cienciano


    Faith+1 wrote: »
    Grand Seiko?

    Just imagine 2 nice GS's for the price of a hulk. It's madness.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,301 ✭✭✭✭ Cyrus


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Just imagine 2 nice GS's for the price of a hulk. It's madness.

    You’d get 4 or 5


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    Definite softening on BLNR over last 2 months.

    Watchfinder tested top of market offering the Jubilee version for 21.6K I believe. Same watch is 19.6K now. Still madness!


  • Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭ Rootsblower


    893bet wrote: »
    Definite softening on BLNR over last 2 months.

    Watchfinder tested top of market offering the Jubilee version for 21.6K I believe. Same watch is 19.6K now. Still madness!

    Someone will pay it


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shutup wrote: »
    I wouldn’t spend a grand on a seiko

    Spending 1000 euros on any watch is kind of mad really but in any event raised-eyes-looking-to-one-side-and-smiling-condescendingly emoticon, for the record.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭ ArphaRima


    Someone will pay it

    Found it for list at an AD. Will collect it this weekend.
    I'm not patient but I am resourceful :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,852 ✭✭✭ 893bet


    fluffer wrote: »
    Found it for list at an AD. Will collect it this weekend.
    I'm not patient but I am resourceful :)

    Blnr jubilee?

    Well done! You are the exception not the rule. If you get the papers then sell it! I think the market cap is reached. Have a look at TRF sales page. First page of the thread is always flooded with BLNR and HULks


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭ punk_one82


    I'm trying to source a DJ 36 in an AD in Sydney and I'm told they're even hard to get at the minute. What is the point of AD's if you walk in and their displays are all empty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭ Always Tired


    shutup wrote: »
    Sorry mate, I got 7 thanks including one from forum heavyweight Wibbs. The motion carries!
    I’m off to buy a seiko

    we weren't talking about seiko vs rolex or anything like that. I don't care who thanked your post IMO you made no sense comparing buying pints in a pub to a Rolex in an AD. different worlds completely, and you obviously don't understand the latter world and aren't the target market anyway. which btw neither am I, I couldn't afford what it costs to shop there but I at least get The WHY they operate how they do. it's the rich people games like I said. they want to create this aura of exclusivity.

    oh, and you wouldn't buy a Grand Seiko either? okay, so I guess you're saying, what? that all watches over a couple hundred quid are a ripoff? okay, you figured it all out, congrats. I mean is that your point? cuz I can't figure out what you are even saying tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,546 ✭✭✭ Dante Delicious Magnum


    893bet wrote: »
    Blnr jubilee?

    Well done! You are the exception not the rule. If you get the papers then sell it! I think the market cap is reached. Have a look at TRF sales page. First page of the thread is always flooded with BLNR and HULks

    There is a definite drop in asking prices, its like some kinda Mexican standoff where its just dealers selling to dealers, and a few wanabe speculators trying to sell to very few end wearers.

    If I had one, and it was not my "forever" watch I would flip it immediately. I think if anything Rolex allow the watches to get too scarse, so people moved on to other models and interest is waning.


  • Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭ oxocube


    punk_one82 wrote: »
    I'm trying to source a DJ 36 in an AD in Sydney and I'm told they're even hard to get at the minute. What is the point of AD's if you walk in and their displays are all empty.

    I was in the Rolex AD in Frankfurt Airport last Friday and they hand 9 Rolex available for sale. I mean there was 9 actual watches for men in the whole store.

    Celini, PM Datejust and an Airking and that was it :rolleyes:

    The jewellers next door had a smashing collection of Tudors, Longines, Omegas and Cartiers though. I really think Rolex are shooting themselves in the foot if this is a marketing ploy.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 58,468 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Wibbs


    oxocube wrote: »
    Whats TRF?
    The Rolex forum I think?

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭ A+-Guru


    I passed by Keanes in Limerick other week, the window had 0 Rolex


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭ eljono


    A+-Guru wrote: »
    I passed by Keanes in Limerick other week, the window had 0 Rolex

    Rolex are on display in the window inside the doorway to your right, not in the windows facing the street. I was in there two weeks ago and they had a nice selection on display, including a Sky-Dweller. They also have more on display in the rear of the store.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭ dinorebel


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The Rolex forum I think?

    Yep you finally get access 2 years after applying:rolleyes:


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