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Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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  • #3992
    tom1ie
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Icu capacity. Isn't that metric that has been talked about most often.

    All of which rank higher than 30th (Ireland) when it comes to icu capacity bar the uk and Sweden.
    Anyway I don’t think any amount of icu beds will stop hospitals from getting over run if people don’t kop on.


  • #3993
    Funsterdelux
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    manniot2 wrote: »
    Start the clock on the 6 weeks to fook.

    Ready steady fook


  • #3994
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    tom1ie wrote: »
    All of which rank higher than 30th when it comes to icu capacity bar the uk and Sweden.
    Anyway I don’t think any amount of icu beds will stop hospitals from getting over run if people don’t kop on.

    Not where I was looking. Italy below us as well.

    https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Healthcare_resource_statistics_-_beds


  • #3995
    frank8211
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    Hellrazer wrote: »
    When you put it that way it sounds counter intuitive but it is what I mean.

    So lets say we are where we are today. Just for the sake of somewhere to start from.

    The whole country is at level 3.

    Theres an outbreak in Cavan town due to a GAA match celebration … move Cavan town to level 5 for 2 weeks. But strictly enforce that level 5. No one enters and no one leaves unless it absolutely essential.

    Meanwhile Virginia has zero cases. Move them to level 1 and let them get on with things. No one from Cavan town can enter or leave so hopefully Virginia stays relatively covid free.
    Cavan after 14 days is then put back to say level 2 or 3 and is allowed to get on with things.

    Target the places with the highest incidences.

    But enforcement is the key.

    The confiscation of all footballs in Cavan would be a good start


  • #3996
    Widdensushi
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    tom1ie wrote: »
    All of which rank higher than 30th when it comes to icu capacity bar the uk and Sweden.
    Anyway I don’t think any amount of icu beds will stop hospitals from getting over run if people don’t kop on.

    France with 25 times our cases today at 13 % positivity and 13 times our population is an indication that we are not doing as badly as many make out, I couldn't find the UK positivity rate if someone would please show how we compare to our nearest neighbours


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  • #3997
    Goldengirl
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1317184138668027904

    Yes. Even though mid table the Dublin numbers this week are growing on level 3 .
    All the numbers have gone up in the last week , Cork and Clare too .
    It's just not working .


  • #3998
    JP100
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    For the most part the weather has been reasonable enough since the schools have gone back. When the wetter months hit us and it's raining practically every day and the kids can't go outside, the schools are going to be a sh1t show!


  • #3999
    Queried
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    I agree with this, definitely a big shift in people's thinking which is why I think we should stick to level 3 and give people a chance to fix this. If 90% of people do the right thing, the numbers will go right down

    I would be inclined to agree that if people did what is necessary to make level 3 work we could see a big improvement. Even if the threat of higher levels wasn't looming over us I would still be restricting my movements as much as possible; I have been since last week when things started to really escalate. I am a teacher though so the thoughts of the amount of contacts I would have if I contracted the virus is always in the back of my mind. I think timing is the issue though, particularly how it takes weeks to see if measures are working. There is likely a fear from those in government that, if no further action is taken and the situation is really bad in a few weeks, there will be uproar.


  • #4000
    AlphaDelta1
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    I agree with this, definitely a big shift in people's thinking which is why I think we should stick to level 3 and give people a chance to fix this. If 90% of people do the right thing, the numbers will go right down

    Not seeing any shift at all tbh. If anything people seem to have lost interest. Either way L5 is now more or less guaranteed due to the idiotic carry on of a minority of fcukwits.


  • #4001
    CalamariFritti
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    Necro wrote: »
    Would a curfew really be that restrictive though when you think about it? Like unless you're working shifts, what other tangible reason would you have for being out and about after 10pm at night, as an eg.

    Especially during a pandemic.

    In other words, what difference would it actually make other than making the whole thing feel even more oppressive/depressive?


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  • #4002
    Golfman64
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes. Even though mid table the Dublin numbers this week are growing on level 3 .
    All the numbers have gone up in the last week , Cork and Clare too .
    It's just not working .

    Hence the newly imposed restrictions on household visits! It would seem as though most have forgotten that this has literally just been introduced and we need to give it 2/3 weeks to see progress. After all, we were told that households are the key driver for transmission now. Level heads required to strike the right balance for the country.


  • #4003
    owlbethere
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    I think it's so sad how we are facing another lockdown with many business closures throughout the country because some people didn't want to comply with the guidelines to minimise contracting the virus and spreading it about the place.


  • #4004
    Triangle
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    Has anyone here seen the expected economic costs of a second lockdown?
    I'm just wondering why they are so slow in going to level 4 or 5 nationwide. I'm thinking it's due to the costs being enormous but can't seem to find anything online for Ireland. Just 250M/day for the UK.


  • #4005
    UrbanFret
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I may have gotten the wrong end of the stick, I dunno - but I don't disagree with this at all.
    I just don't apportion any blame to the North for it.

    I'd like to think that asking people not to travel, North and South, would be enough to stop much of the traffic between us.
    If needs be you could stick guards on the motorways, like they did in Bray etc.

    Fingers crossed nobody gets shot.
    The thing is in cavans case it came from the west and south. I'm not sure you could class Ballyduff,kilnaleck or Ballinagh as border towns either.

    I took this picture the morning after dublin moved to level 3. There was an influx of camper vans during the night.

    MxWUzsl.jpg
    vbulletinMxWUzsl.jpg


  • #4006
    votecounts
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    AlphaDelta1 wrote: »
    Not seeing any shift at all tbh. If anything people seem to have lost interest. Either way L5 is now more or less guaranteed due to the idiotic carry on of a minority of fcukwits.
    Agree with you, I haven't seen any changes in behaviour, still not respecting SD, not wearing a mask properly, could be that I live in a county with a low count or people only caring after number 1, the latter i believe


  • #4007
    Stheno
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    Triangle wrote: »
    Has anyone here seen the expected economic costs of a second lockdown?
    I'm just wondering why they are so slow in going to level 4 or 5 nationwide. I'm thinking it's due to the costs being enormous but can't seem to find anything online for Ireland. Just 250M/day for the UK.
    Level four in the three counties that have it is estimated to cost just under 5 million a week in PUP and business support schemes

    I saw a figure earlier that a national 6 week lockdown would increase the deficit by at least 1 billion


  • #4008
    mohawk
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    AlphaDelta1 wrote: »
    Not seeing any shift at all tbh. If anything people seem to have lost interest. Either way L5 is now more or less guaranteed due to the idiotic carry on of a minority of fcukwits.

    Can we stop blaming the people. You never get 100% adherence to anything and that should of been expected by the authorities.

    The reason we are in this mess is because they didn’t get track and trace right. They had from March until June to get it rolled out and right. If they had been successful we would of tracked down every last case/ contact in June, July, August we would not be where we are today. Small local clusters would be expected not it being absolutely everywhere.

    Posts like this are giving government, HSE etc a free pass on their failures. If there is another lockdown we should all be demanding that they get their own house in order if they want the public to buy into restrictions.


  • #4009
    mcburns07
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    Queried wrote: »
    I would be inclined to agree that if people did what is necessary to make level 3 work we could see a big improvement. Even if the threat of higher levels wasn't looming over us I would still be restricting my movements as much as possible; I have been since last week when things started to really escalate. I am a teacher though so the thoughts of the amount of contacts I would have if I contracted the virus is always in the back of my mind. I think timing is the issue though, particularly how it takes weeks to see if measures are working. There is likely a fear from those in government that, if no further action is taken and the situation is really bad in a few weeks, there will be uproar.

    Most people don't seem to get it at all in terms of limiting their contacts. Out walking earlier with my girlfriend, we passed at least 5 pairs of friends out jogging together side by side. We're never going to get out of this mess if people can't do the basics right and limit their contacts. Maybe in each of those cases that person was one of the few people outside their families that other saw this week.... but I doubt it.

    I work for a massive MNC, we've been back in the office a lot of the time since August. Even with everything that is going on we're still planning to be in next week. There are far too many individuals and businesses bending the rules to suit themselves.

    The government needs to hammer home the guidelines in Level 3 and have a stern word with the office based employers who think they can circumvent the guidance to WFH by claiming they are essential. If we do this maybe Level 3 can actually work. Introducing levels 4 and 5 countrywide on the basis that Level 3 hasn't seen a reduction in cases in Dublin seems premature. What is required in a densely populated city doesn't translate to most parts of Ireland at all.


  • #4010
    JP Liz V1
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    frank8211 wrote: »
    ask the GAA up there

    All GAA matches and training should be cancelled, none essential, sorry GAA lovers
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4011
    amadangomor
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    ixoy wrote: »
    Which is why I'd be a bit doubtful that a Level 5 will make much of a difference to the spread. People's attitudes are different than they were in March and it's the people's buy in that you need - closing shops doesn't give you that. Maybe I'm too cynical.

    Pubs opening was a mistake. Plenty of them have been free for alls, with lock ins etc. .Yeh the official figures say domestic spread is a huge factor but where are the cases brought into the home from.

    Tough on the bar trade but Covid loves indoor socialising.


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  • #4012
    niallo27
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    All GAA matches and training should be cancelled, none essential, sorry GAA lovers

    Ya we can do without it for the year and I do love the hurling on a Sunday. I do miss it.


  • #4013
    manniot2
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    All GAA matches and training should be cancelled, none essential, sorry GAA lovers

    I don’t understand all the gaa talk. Ffs people are losing livelihoods, missing treatments etc. The fooking gaa can wait until next year, the football is utter sh1te at the best of times anyway.


  • #4014
    Funsterdelux
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    All GAA matches and training should be cancelled, none essential, sorry GAA lovers

    Its going to be a mess if they continue, players missing due to testing positive/being close contacts. Just look at the Irish soccer team, players missing for 2 crucial games.


  • #4015
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    All GAA matches and training should be cancelled, none essential, sorry GAA lovers

    They had their chance and blew it spectacularly.

    Just run the championship over a few weekends in 4/5 venues and pay the players to isolate in camps.


  • #4016
    Widdensushi
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    Stheno wrote: »
    Level four in the three counties that have it is estimated to cost just under 5 million a week in PUP and business support schemes

    I saw a figure earlier that a national 6 week lockdown would increase the deficit by at least 1 billion

    The cost in only a small part, the fact that the interest rates will go up on the hundreds of millions we already owe is the big expense on future generations, meaning that our health service will get poor funding for generations


  • #4017
    niallo27
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    amadangomor wrote: »
    Pubs opening was a mistake. Plenty of them have been free for alls, with lock ins etc. .Yeh the official figures say domestic spread is a huge factor but where are the cases brought into the home from.

    Tough on the bar trade but Covid loves indoor socialising.

    They were open for 2 months before the cases started to increase. Opening them was not a mistake. They need to stay closed now because of the figures but explain why numbers stayed low when they were open for months.


  • #4018
    dmakc
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    The clubs blew it. Intercounty can be more contained I feel, particularly hurling. It's worth trying at least.


  • #4019
    amadangomor
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    UrbanFret wrote: »
    The thing is in cavans case it came from the west and south. I'm not sure you could class Ballyduff,kilnaleck or Ballinagh as border towns either.

    I took this picture the morning after dublin moved to level 3. There was an influx of camper vans during the night.

    MxWUzsl.jpg
    vbulletinMxWUzsl.jpg

    What a bunch of pricks.

    Nothing against Dubs but two I worked with went away that weekend too. One with a huge group of extended family to the West.

    The spike in the South must have cae from people on getting together for the county finals?


  • #4020
    frank8211
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    They were open for 2 months before the cases started to increase. Opening them was not a mistake. They need to stay closed now because of the figures but explain why numbers stayed low when they were open for months.
    It couldn't possibly be schools or any such factor I suppose


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  • #4021
    wadacrack
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    manniot2 wrote: »
    I don’t understand all the gaa talk. Ffs people are losing livelihoods, missing treatments etc. The fooking gaa can wait until next year, the football is utter sh1te at the best of times anyway.

    I think it could help elderly people particuraly in rural area's. Something to watch/talk about and ingage in.


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