Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

polesheep · 16-10-2020 03:20PM

Necro wrote: »

Maybe we should appoint some boards posters to NPHET? :pac:

Or perhaps some doctors and scientists who have no connection to either the HSE or the DoH and they might bring some fresh thinking.

Cluedo Monopoly · 16-10-2020 03:20PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

A) No they aren't.

and

People haven't shut up about the govt giving themselves a "pay rise".

Yes they have.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/unions-to-discuss-new-pay-deal-for-340-000-state-employees-with-government-1.4348558

Ministers have signalled that a 2 per cent rise due from October 1st will be paid

It has been paid. 2% for all 340,000 public servants.

boetstark · 16-10-2020 03:20PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Agreed. My 80yr old mother seriously pissed off with lockdown suggestions. Too many on here painting elderly people as petrified people hiding away that we need to protect. They are still adults capable of making their own decisions.

And that is why we will definitely have a lockdown. Selfish know it all that just cannot abide with advice for greater good.

thomasdylan · 16-10-2020 03:21PM

Strumms wrote: »

Agreed. 4-5 year service in public health here.

HSE spend literally tens of thousands per doctor, training them, giving them experience, equipping them with ALL the expertise and qualities and qualifications... any clown after that hopping on a plane to relocate and work, nahhh that not good enough. Needs to be a pre training contract that they have to remain here for 4-5 years working.

Why would an intern who sees their SpRs and SHOs working 24 hour shifts and 80 hour weeks while getting shipped off to different hospitals all around the country every year stay in Ireland?

I'd have no big issue with somethign like this if it was brought in for every course not just medicine and Ireland's conditions for doctors were brought closer to the UK, New Zealand and Australia.

Medicine for Irish students in colleges is subsidised by foreign students who pay 50k a year. It works out well for the colleges and the taxpayer.

landofthetree · 16-10-2020 03:21PM

mohawk wrote: »

Yes let’s keep the kids at home during the winter when they will be mostly stuck inside and send them to school in the summer when they normally spend a lot of time outdoors.
I got through working from home with my son at home by sending him outside. In the winter I would have to let him on YouTube all day to occupy him and not just me but many working parents. Sounds very healthy for children’s health and wellbeing.

Kids have missed 3 months last year and they will probably miss Nov,Dec and January this academic year as well.

School ahould stay open next summer especially with a vaccine on the way.

dmakc · 16-10-2020 03:22PM

I'd like to keep things as they currently and perhaps try a 2.5 week midterm. Sacrificing X, Y and Z with little merit all for the survival on schools doesn't make sense to me

polesheep · 16-10-2020 03:22PM

Humberto Salazar wrote: »

It all comes down to decades of waste and mismanagement of the public health service. The failure of successive regimes to overhaul, renew and replace archaic bloated management and Victorian policies, are now coming to fruition. We should have a public health service fit for purpose. However, there is no appetite to fight the unions, root out the deadwood, and basically implement what the private sector experts would do to get it there. You reap what you sow.

Don't forget everyone wanting a local hospital in their town or village.

MOR316 · 16-10-2020 03:24PM

So we're supposed lockdown completely but, people with children are to isolate with them, whilst allowing them to mix with classrooms of up to 30 odd students and various teachers and staff?

None of this makes sense.

Not that it'll happen and his fan club will attack me but, Tony Holohan and his mates need to step down!
Their "expert" opinion has always been "Lockdown"

That's not an expert opinion, that's just something any moron would say and it isn't the answer as it's been shown, all around the world!
There has literally been no new ideas or methods since March.

Either way, the whole thing has me flattened.

Widdensushi · 16-10-2020 03:24PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Kids have missed 3 months last year and they will probably miss Nov,Dec and January this academic year as well.

School ahould stay open next summer especially with a vaccine on the way.

You are getting ahead of yourself, you know what they say about assume.

AlphaDelta1 · 16-10-2020 03:28PM

Posters who oppose L5 what do you propose as an alternative?

ednwireland · 16-10-2020 03:30PM

polesheep wrote: »

Don't forget everyone wanting a local hospital in their town or village.

only because people know once a service is gone no replacement is provided and the service costs more and more for less and less results

bennyl10 wrote: »

We don’t know if there isn’t elan exit strategy
No one has seen the letter

Seemingly nphet believe a lockdown is in interest of public health. That is there entire remit

They’ve been essentially spot on in predictions thus far

NPHET dont do exit strategies not their job seemingly

speckle · 16-10-2020 03:30PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Just had a thought that if Covid is at least partly a seasonal thing i.e. peaks in Winter. Would it make sense to have the long school holiday say November to February.

Edit: Apologies missed the original post which brought up this idea!

Interesting pros and cons. But if school could be outdoors in the summer so the get their vit D but better to get a dose in the summer when their immune system is better? At home so they can only spread to their family aslong as they dont mix elswhere. they are low risks for side effects. But what if high risk family member. most parents young low risk most teachers young low risk...mmh.. just thinking out loud.. most public decisions have alot of factors to consider... anyone have more... really depends on the overall strategy you are going with eg what ages hit worst.. who you have to protect how you will protect... who you will let get ill..capacity... what treatments available... cost... on the widest sense and finicially.... etc.. apologies mind wandering need a break eyes tired:)

GazzaL · 16-10-2020 03:31PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Agreed. My 80yr old mother seriously pissed off with lockdown suggestions. Too many on here painting elderly people as petrified people hiding away that we need to protect. They are still adults capable of making their own decisions.

I know many 70 year olds that worked every day throughout the lockdown, dealing with people face-to-face. Inspiring work ethic and desire.

polesheep · 16-10-2020 03:32PM

ednwireland wrote: »

only because people know once a service is gone no replacement is provided and the service costs more and more for less and less results

NPHET dont do exit strategies not their job seemingly

But strip political influence out of it and there's no reason why we shouldn't have a properly functioning health service.

Gael23 · 16-10-2020 03:32PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Posters who oppose L5 what do you propose as an alternative?

Close schools and enforce L3

I broadly support schools being open but not at any cost to the rest of society

CoronaBlocker · 16-10-2020 03:33PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Alan Farrell FG is a terrible TD. I am shocked they re-elected him after his insurance scam.

I think I remember him hiring his wife for €40k as his parliamentary assistant 2 days after he was elected (2011?). New politics was dead inside 48 hours.

rsl1976 · 16-10-2020 03:33PM

have a relation in Spain, where they live all restaurants and bars have shut, no outside dining and only to leave their house if absolutely necessary

caveat emptor · 16-10-2020 03:34PM

The border is going to be a mess anyway this January.

16-10-2020 03:34PM

If we lock down to level 5 for 6 weeks and hammer the curve into the minus bracket ok..what then?? do you think we are opening up form Xmas shopping and hot toddys for carrol singers?? the numbers would hit the roof!!!

So dangling the Save Xmas carrot is an insult to our intelligence..they wont throw any gains out the window for you, me, santa clause or a all the toy shows in montrose!!

any restrictions the public swallow now, will be shoved down our throats again at Christmas...

This death of a thousand increments...

sgsdfsdfsd · 16-10-2020 03:34PM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

There is huge waste within the HSE. Criminal waste. And I am not talking about front line workers here.

Every public servant in the country is getting a 2% payrise in October. You wont hear that mentioned much.

Pay restoration in accordance with agreements reached. Will result in most public servants finally earning approximately what they did when pay cuts were introduced in 2010. So now earning what they did in 2010 (possibly a bit less with pension levies).

You won't hear that mentioned much.

titan18 · 16-10-2020 03:34PM

hmmm wrote: »

The case numbers were always going to increase - it will take a week to 10 days for the impact of Level 3 to kick in.

What's most concerning me is that Dublin looks like it is not falling - it had stabilised, but if anything it should be beginning to fall now. This suggests to me that cases are beginning to increase again. I suspect NPHET might have data saying the same thing.

We're about 10 days into level 3 now though. Started Wednesday last week. Maybe cases would have been higher without it but it doesn't look like by itself that it'll solve it atm.

I think best thing is to close any outdoor dining or bars, put in some system that if employers are asking employees to come to work that they can be reported and fines against employers if they can't prove that the work has to be done in the office, and fines on people breaking household rules.

is_that_so · 16-10-2020 03:35PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Agreed. My 80yr old mother seriously pissed off with lockdown suggestions. Too many on here painting elderly people as petrified people hiding away that we need to protect. They are still adults capable of making their own decisions.

Was told of an older lady who was described as having visibly aged during the last one and a man whose family believe that his death by heart attack was due to the stress and anxiety of those restrictions. There is a much bigger picture at work here which is not based on epidemiology.

seamus · 16-10-2020 03:39PM

Positivity rate of 7.75% is high, but in the context of the last five days it's interesting that it's not higher.

What I mean is that last week we saw this surge where the positivity rate jumped from just over 4% to over 7% in five days. Where this week it has stayed in the 7-8% range (except for one freak outlier where it was back down to 5.69%).

I don't know if it means anything, but it's certainly interesting.

dmakc wrote: »

I'd like to keep things as they currently and perhaps try a 2.5 week midterm. Sacrificing X, Y and Z with little merit all for the survival on schools doesn't make sense to me

Im not conviced that a longer midterm on its own is helpful. You're swapping controlled environments - kids in schools, known contacts, being brought home, kept and home and sent to bed - for an uncontrolled one - kids out wandering the streets meeting up with whoever, staying out partying, not coming home till all hours.

Closing the schools in March didn't help infection rates at all.

hmmm · 16-10-2020 03:39PM

AlphaDelta1 wrote: »

Posters who oppose L5 what do you propose as an alternative?

I think people who oppose Level 5 fall broadly into 3 categories:

- Those who oppose all restrictions and think they are seeing support for their views. They are completely wrong.
- Those who think that keeping schools etc. open makes no sense while we are shutting retail premises and other areas with lower spread
- Those who think that until we enforce some of the existing rules, bringing in new ones will make no difference as the same people will go on ignoring them

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 03:40PM

titan18 wrote: »

We're about 10 days into level 3 now though. Started Wednesday last week. Maybe cases would have been higher without it but it doesn't look like by itself that it'll solve it atm.

I think best thing is to close any outdoor dining or bars, put in some system that if employers are asking employees to come to work that they can be reported and fines against employers if they can't prove that the work has to be done in the office, and fines on people breaking household rules.

Sorry but what does closing outdoor dining actually achieve? Its already limited to 15 people, a further restriction isn't going to change the course of spread. You wouldn't be making any difference. Its not exactly an area that needs targeted intervention.

Also an FYI the household rules are only guidance, reference here https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1171640/

Anything that's in law, legislation is being drawn up for fines, such as wearing a mask etc

pauldry · 16-10-2020 03:41PM

I have a hunch that by the end of the weekend Level 5 will be in. Surely over 1,000 cases again today and if its going up like graphs show it will be 2 more days of 1,000 plus by Sunday and NPHET will be on Govts hole.

the whole year inn · 16-10-2020 03:41PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Was told of an older lady who was described as having visibly aged during the last one and a man whose family believe that his death by heart attack was due to the stress and anxiety of those restrictions. There is a much bigger picture at work here which is not based on epidemiology.

Extra Extra Old woman ages

frank8211 · 16-10-2020 03:42PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Kids have missed 3 months last year and they will probably miss Nov,Dec and January this academic year as well.

School ahould stay open next summer especially with a vaccine on the way.

Fine, as log as they close now. Experiment should be ended

Non solum non ambulabit · 16-10-2020 03:44PM

rusty cole wrote: »

If we lock down to level 5 for 6 weeks and hammer the curve into the minus bracket ok..what then?? do you think we are opening up form Xmas shopping and hot toddys for carrol singers?? the numbers would hit the roof!!!

So dangling the Save Xmas carrot is an insult to our intelligence..they wont throw any gains out the window for you, me, santa clause or a all the toy shows in montrose!!

any restrictions the public swallow now, will be shoved down our throats again at Christmas...

This death of a thousand increments...

I totally agree with this. We are not getting out of Level 5 before Christmas. Not a hope Nphet will recommend easing restrictions a few weeks before Christmas and allow numbers to balloon again. Even if we are down to 50 cases a day by end of November it will soon rise to a few hundred a day in the weeks before xmas and then in the thousands by Jan.

We are not getting out of Level 5 in 6 weeks. That is the reality.

is_that_so · 16-10-2020 03:44PM

the whole year inn wrote: »

Extra Extra Old woman ages

Aye, always one dunce at the back of the class!:D

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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