Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

Eod100 · 16-10-2020 02:13PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Because he's right, nobody has ever known and still doesn't know what the criteria is. At least in other countries its if we get below x number these services open up. Here its right 3 weeks or whatever it is and we'll look at it again with people given absolutely nothing to go on as to how low is low enough. Its been asked time and time again, appearently 10 cases a day wasn't low enough either

But the government brought in current restrictions. I'm not clear what their exit strategy is. It won't be zero covid so not sure what else it could be besides rolling restrictions until a vaccine unless government seriously raml up investment in test and trace, public health doctors, ICU capacity, healthcare workers etc

Necro · 16-10-2020 02:15PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Positive Swabs
1,376

7.75%
in the last 24 hours

17,758
in the last 24 hours

Jaysus. Things are escalating quicker than foreseen it seems

techdiver · 16-10-2020 02:15PM

Strumms wrote: »

We Want the children, teachers, staff, parents, ALL of us in our communities to be well, that is the priority, what nonsense are YOU spouting ?

The alternatives to learning in classroom settings have and are being discussed.

But I’m glad you are advocating directly the schools act as babysitters .. shows further the angle you are coming from and the disingenuous standpoint of your ‘argument’.

You have no idea what you are talking about to be honest. Try remote learning with a 6 year old whilst trying to hold down a job because you cannot work from home and see how it goes. Many children require specialised supports too which are not available at home.

On top of this there is no evidence that schools are the source of the rise in cases. Please quote any figures from HPHET that state that.

jammiedodgers · 16-10-2020 02:17PM

Just to remind everyone what a prick Alan Farrell is

Farrell took Hertz Rent A Car to court after one of its vehicles knocked against his Audi A6 while its driver was engaged in an encounter with a spider which crawled along her arm at a traffic stop. Farrell claimed to have experienced neck and shoulder injuries as a result of the collision, which occurred in Drumcondra on 9 April 2015. In 2018, a photograph - showing Farrell at the time he was supposed to have been injured holding a poster of himself on an electricity pole while standing on a ladder in Skerries - was shown in Dublin District Court. Judge Michael Coghlan looked unfavourably on the personal injuries claim, ruling that Farrell had not sustained a "significant injury" and awarding him a total of €2,500. Judge Coghlan also noted in court that a separate claim by Farrell for material damage to his car had been relinquished since the accident. Photographs taken by the driver at the scene (none were produced by Farrell) were shown to the court and some difficulty was had in locating the precise damage to Farrell's motor car. The Sunday Independent suggested the case "raises serious questions about Mr Farrell's judgment", contrasting it with insurance problems for motorists and referring to past remarks made by Farrell on Ireland's supposed "compo culture"

Strumms · 16-10-2020 02:17PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Agree with your admin point but working practices are a factor.

For a start we should be using the facilities more. 24 hour a day operation to get waiting lists down. No point ploughing money into facilities and expensive equipment if it's only being used Mon- Fri 9 to 5.

Doctors who get their medical degrees here and paid for at taxpayers should have to stay here for a minimum amount of time to pay back this investment.

Agreed. 4-5 year service in public health here.

HSE spend literally tens of thousands per doctor, training them, giving them experience, equipping them with ALL the expertise and qualities and qualifications... any clown after that hopping on a plane to relocate and work, nahhh that not good enough. Needs to be a pre training contract that they have to remain here for 4-5 years working.

Gael23 · 16-10-2020 02:17PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Positive Swabs
1,376

7.75%
in the last 24 hours

17,758
in the last 24 hours

Does a positive swab always point to a new case?

bennyl10 · 16-10-2020 02:17PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Ministers meeting tomorrow https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1317088762376192000?s=19

Didn’t Donnelly not just 10 minutes say only meet “if it’s deemed necessary”

Maybe he should have communicated first

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 16-10-2020 02:18PM

Nothing like a well timed Leok to put the cat among the pigeons

irishrover99 · 16-10-2020 02:18PM

A mate who’s a north sider just told the army are getting out of their sleeping bags in the Phoenix park. I live on the south side so not sure about this. Can this be verified?

16-10-2020 02:18PM

IrishStuff09 wrote: »

Swab data for today (16/10)

Positive Swabs|Positivity|Total Swabs
1,376|7.75%|17,758

Not sure why its so early but there we are

This is why we need a level 5 lockdown and the deluded relaxers need to soften their cough.

The_Brood · 16-10-2020 02:18PM

techdiver wrote: »

You have no idea what you are talking about to be honest. Try remote learning with a 6 year old whilst trying to hold down a job because you cannot work from home and see how it goes. Many children require specialised supports too which are not available at home.

On top of this there is no evidence that schools are the source of the rise in cases. Please quote any figures from HPHET that state that.

No, of course they are not, hundreds of kids on top of each other in confined closed spaces all day and then bringing it back home to family cannot possibly spread the virus - but sitting down on a table to drink a cup of coffee causes 1,000 cases per day.

Absolute complete madness how anyone holds these opinions. Absolute madness.

jopax · 16-10-2020 02:18PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Positive Swabs
1,376

7.75%
in the last 24 hours

17,758
in the last 24 hours

Did you see the figures up north, are just 1 away from 1300.& 2 deaths. This is getting much more serious very quickly

bennyl10 · 16-10-2020 02:19PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Positive Swabs
1,376

7.75%
in the last 24 hours

17,758
in the last 24 hours

Ya Level 5 make sense

16-10-2020 02:20PM

Strumms wrote: »

Agreed. 4-5 year service in public health here.

HSE spend literally tens of thousands per doctor, training them, giving them experience, equipping them with ALL the expertise and qualities and qualifications... any clown after that hopping on a plane to relocate and work, nahhh that not good enough. Needs to be a pre training contract that they have to remain here for 4-5 years working.

It would help if half the places in Medicine at Irish Universities weren't reserved for high fee paying foreign students.

16-10-2020 02:20PM

jammiedodgers wrote: »

Just to remind everyone what a prick Alan Farrell is

man, who votes for these guys?

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 02:20PM

Eod100 wrote: »

But the government brought in current restrictions. I'm not clear what their exit strategy is. It won't be zero covid so not sure what else it could be besides rolling restrictions until a vaccine unless government seriously raml up investment in test and trace, public health doctors, ICU capacity, healthcare workers etc

Would be great if all of that was laid out.

Nobody knows what the criteria is to exit any level

hmmm · 16-10-2020 02:21PM

What extra is Level 5 supposed to get us? It's not spreading in retail. Level 5 doesn't close schools.

If it's spreading by people moving around between houses, closing more businesses isn't going to help anything.

Stheno · 16-10-2020 02:21PM

jopax wrote: »

Did you see the figures up north, are just 1 away from 1300.& 2 deaths. This is getting much more serious very quickly

If we go to level 5 I hope there is some enforcement to stop people from the North travelling down as they were able to in the last lockdown

Blondini · 16-10-2020 02:21PM

Level 5 with schools fully open.
Marvelous!

Fast forward six weeks with case numbers even higher :
"Oh, it was the schools after all.
Someone should have told us".

Stupidity.

Jenna James · 16-10-2020 02:21PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Didn’t Donnelly not just 10 minutes say only meet “if it’s deemed necessary”

Maybe he should have communicated first

‘Communicate’ appears to be an unknown concept for the powers that be.

landofthetree · 16-10-2020 02:22PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Ya Level 5 make sense

No it doesnt if we keep the schools open.

It's pointless.

The government knows it. The opposition knows it. The media knows it. Yet they all pretend schools dont need to close.

fly_agaric · 16-10-2020 02:22PM

landofthetree wrote: »

The app has been a bit of a disappointment.

Only 3091 people who have got covid have uploaded random IDs.

Isnt that a really low percentage of cases since its launch?

Application was launched 7th July (according to Wikipedia).
6th July total cases were 25,531
Now total cases are 46,429

3,091/20,898 = 0.148 (so ~ 15%) uploaded ids.
The App has 1.3m "active" users apparently. Ireland's total population is 4.9m so 26 % of the population are users (and a higher % if excluded young children from the population).

So it looks like it is worse than what you'd expect but maybe there's some confounding factor that accounts for it (e.g. a relationship between being App user and likelyhood you will get Covid-19!)

(Covid-19 case figures taken from https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/ )

Edit: the app would have taken a bit of time to build up the user base (a week or two) but case figures were low back then so probably can be ignored.

16-10-2020 02:23PM

Blondini wrote: »

Level 5 with schools open fully open.
Marvelous!

Fast forward six weeks with case numbers even higher :
"Oh, it was the schools after all.
Someone should have told us".

Stupidity.

It makes no sense, and none of the primary school children wearing masks.

DrSpongeBobz · 16-10-2020 02:23PM

What was the point of decisions being made yesterday by the government. NPHET meeting today making more recommendations and its an even bigger mess.

stephenjmcd · 16-10-2020 02:23PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Ya Level 5 make sense

How does closing retail make sense when schools stay open?

It makes zero sense

Necro · 16-10-2020 02:23PM

Blondini wrote: »

Level 5 with schools open fully open.
Marvelous!

Fast forward six weeks with case numbers even higher :
"Oh, it was the schools after all.
Someone should have told us".

Stupidity.

That's my fear about the six week idea.

Even with a review in place after say week 3, if numbers aren't dropping or at the very very least stabilising and the schools are still open and the proof is staring them in face...

Are they going to lock the schools down and put us all into the start of ANOTHER 6 week cycle?

Because that is likely to happen

LuasSimon · 16-10-2020 02:24PM

Stheno wrote: »

If we go to level 5 I hope there is some enforcement to stop people from the North travelling down as they were able to in the last lockdown

Should be no border on our island full stop , shows the stupidity of our island been divided . We all live on the one island and there should be a 32 county policy

JDxtra · 16-10-2020 02:25PM

Schools do matter in the overall scheme. Shut the schools and many people won't be able to work. There is huge pressure, and correctly so, to keep schools open. Not at any cost - but with sensible precautions in place. Schools have actually done an amazing job to date.

speckle · 16-10-2020 02:25PM

Stheno wrote: »

Very measured article from Jack Lambert of the Mater on how to live with the virus

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/jack-lambert-lockdowns-can-be-avoided-but-here-are-10-things-we-need-to-do-1.4382748

I mentioned earlier on that I think Tony Holahan should step down and (his deputy strp back) and I had replacement ideas.

Jack Lambert was one and the other Prof Martin Corbally who is one of people on the covid team in Bahrain who managed to assemble a fully functional 130 bed ICU in the third floor of a carpark in 7 days. The guy directly in charge of that was also working here and has now posted a research paper online on how they did it. They both have been zooming with the Irish college of surgeons covid team already.

Regarding staffing the ICU, many hcw's who came back for irelands call have left due to two things not being offered fulltime contracts and registration delays.
We should offer fast track citzenship thatd better then giving free passports to the rich to head hunt staff which akready have their covid act together.

Jack Lambert as well as being an infectious disease expert has the pulse of the nation and the correct broad concept of public health.

I say the above only as an ordinary citizen who got to listen to many infectious disease experts from around the world and talk to some at an great seminar held on tubercilosis in UCC during the swine flu episode. From which stems my interest in public health and epidemiology.

We need to look for solutions,not why we can't do something. And I know we as a nation we can do whatever we put our minds too.

Gael23 · 16-10-2020 02:25PM

Are all positive swabs new cases?

Covid 19 Part XXVI- 50,993 ROI (1,852 deaths) 28,040 NI (621 deaths) (19/10) Read OP

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